On my way to the next liberated camp, I met some advance units of the Red Army that had occupied a German house. Soviet troops were closing in on Weimar in Eastern Germany. I was immediately embraced and pushed into a celebration already in progress. A glass of what I suppose was Vodka, or gasoline, was thrust into my hand. Everyone was stomping and dancing joyfully. A burly Soviet soldier, with pants stuffed into big black boots, grabbed me, lifted me off my feet and started swinging me around the room. It was only when I was put down that I realized that my dancing partner was a woman. The Soviet Army included females as well as males, but it was sometimes hard to tell which was which. One of the Russian soldiers asked me what I did in the American army. I told him I was a war crimes investigator. I explained that I tried to get evidence of what the SS did. “Don’t you know what they did?” he asked. I said that, of course, I did. “So why are you asking them?” he said quizzically. “Just shoot them!” In later years, when it became clear that we could never try more than a very small sampling of the criminals, and that almost all would escape punishment, I often thought of the advice I got from the simple Russian soldier. Being a lawman, I couldn’t accept it, but I often wondered if he was right.
Read something interesting earlier on Folke Bernadotte's Wiki. Where is it...
In April 1945, Heinrich Himmler asked Bernadotte to convey a peace proposal to Prime Minister Winston Churchill and President Harry S. Truman without the knowledge of Adolf Hitler. The main point of the proposal was that Germany would surrender only to the Western Allies (the United Kingdom and the United States), but would be allowed to continue resisting the Soviet Union.
Right after WWII, the US rehabilitated its “enemies,” Germany, Italy, and Japan, while starting the Cold War with its “ally,” the USSR. Rehabilitating Germany & Japan was important for the US’ containment strategy against the USSR.
If we see that Germany is winning the war, we ought to help Russia; and if that Russia is winning, we ought to help Germany, and in that way let them kill as many as possible […]. — Senator and future president Harry S. Truman, 1941
I can't find anything on Walter Hallstein and Adolf Heusinger being nazis or committing war crimes. Looks like the former was an academic drafted in the army and the latter a high-ranking officer who began his career before the nazis.
I get that Heusinger can be seen as complicit (he must have known for whom he worked and didn't quit), but what about Hallstein?
But perhaps the most shocking thing of all about this speech is that Hallstein stated one of the most important laws to be introduced in the annexed countries was the “Law for the Protection of the German Blood, and the German Honour.” In other words, he advocated the imposition of the Nuremberg Race Laws as a top priority in “Greater Germany.” These laws excluded German Jews from Reich citizenship and prohibited them from marrying, or even having sexual relations, with persons of German or related blood.
In 1935, Hallstein attempted to start a military career alongside his academic duties.[17] In 1936, he managed to integrate a voluntary military service in an artillery unit.[17] In the years between 1936 and 1939, he attended several military courses[18] and was made a reserve officer.[17]
Hallstein was a member of several nominally Nazi professional organizations,[g][19] but he was not a member of the Nazi Party
Not the worst nazi but the voluntary military service under the Nazis seals the deal for me. Definitely a Nazi.
Ratzinger's family, especially his father, bitterly resented the Nazis, and his father's opposition to Nazism resulted in demotions and harassment of the family.[20] Following his 14th birthday in 1941, Ratzinger was conscripted into the Hitler Youth – as membership was required by law for all 14-year-old German boys after March 1939[21] – but was an unenthusiastic member who refused to attend meetings, according to his brother.[22] In 1941, one of Ratzinger's cousins, a 14-year-old boy with Down syndrome, was taken away by the Nazi regime and murdered during the Aktion T4 campaign of Nazi eugenics.
Operation Osoaviakhim was a secret Soviet operation in which more than 2,500 German specialists (scientists, engineers and technicians who worked in several areas) from companies and institutions relevant to military and economic policy in the Soviet occupation zone of Germany (SBZ) and Berlin, as well as around 4,000 more family members, totalling more than 6,000 people, were taken from former Nazi Germany as war reparations to the Soviet Union. It took place in the early morning hours of October 22, 1946
Did these people get promoted to the head of the USSR’s space program or the chief of staff of the Warsaw Pact or the UN Secretary General or the the Head of the Soviet Socialist Republic Commission?
No, the were used for their technical knowledge and allowed to live quiet lives in obscurity, away from any political power.
No, the were used for their technical knowledge and allowed to live quiet lives in obscurity, away from any political power.
A blatant lie. Erich Apel joined the East German party and became head of the GDRs Economics Comission in the Politburo.
Werner Gruner became an emeritus professor at the TU Dresden.
Brunolf Baade joined the Socialist Unity Party in East Germany and led the jet plane industry there, after having done the same in the Soviet Union. He also was director of the Institute for Lightweight construction and the economical use of Materials and a lecturer at Dresden.
In fact, many of the captured German scientists were only in captivity for less than a decade; afterwards the vast majority of them were allowed to return to East Germany and Austria, where most seem to have lived comfortable lives, and a number of them were politically active with high offices. They certainly did not live in obscurity, nor were they kept away from political power.
I like how the truth about nearly 3,000 Nazi scientists over 4, 000 Nazi regime members in their families were given nice lives in Russia after the war. I like how that little truth breaks everything you're trying to say.
But how about Molotov-Ribbentrop pact? You know that Soviet and Nazi empires were working closely betwen 1939 and 1941?
And they already agree how to split europe between Soviet and Nazi empire.
There was no "soviet empire." The communists spent the decade prior trying to form an anti-Nazi coalition force, such as the Anglo-French-Soviet Alliance which was pitched by the communists and rejected by the British and French. The communists hated the Nazis from the beginning, as the Nazi party rose to prominence by killing communists and labor organizers, cemented bourgeois rule, and was violently racist and imperialist, while the communists opposed all of that.
When the many talks of alliances with the west all fell short, the Soviets reluctantly agreed to sign a non-agression pact, in order to delay the coming war that everyone knew was happening soon. Throughout the last decade, Britain, France, and other western countries had formed pacts with Nazi Germany, such as the Four-Power Pact, the German-French-Non-Agression Pact, and more. Molotov-Ribbentrop was unique among the non-agression pacts with Nazi Germany in that it was right on the eve of war, and was the first between the USSR and Nazi Germany. It was a last resort, when the west was content from the beginning with working alongside Hitler.
Harry Truman, in 1941 in front of the Senate, stated:
If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia, and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible, although I don’t want to see Hitler victorious under any circumstances.
Not only that, but it was the Soviet Union that was responsible for 4/5ths of total Nazi deaths, and winning the war against the Nazis. The Soviet Union did not agree to invade Poland with the Nazis, it was about spheres of influence and red lines the Nazis should not cross in Poland. When the USSR went into Poland, it stayed mostly to areas Poland had invaded and annexed a few decades prior. Should the Soviets have let Poland get entirely taken over by the Nazis, standing idle? The West made it clear that they were never going to help anyone against the Nazis until it was their turn to be targeted.
It was not only military but also economy cooperation. Soviet union was selling oil and resources, Germany was selling machinery and equipment.
Correct, the soviets desperately needed finished goods that the west would not sell them.
Also before the pack, due to isolation of Germany after WW1, Germany cannot have a lot of tanks, and army and so on, also western countries were not very happy about cooperation with Soviet Union.
Treaty of Rapallo 1922. Not only normalizing relations between Soviets and Germany, but also allows Germany to secretly train army in the Soviet union. After Hitler came to power in 1933, relations cooled sharpy, and military cooperation was reduced.
Yep, the west destroyed Germany and invaded the USSR, so it was unsurprising that pre-Nazi Germany had ties to the USSR. In fact, the west loved the Nazis more than pre-Nazi Germany.
Of course, after Germany attacked Soviet Union, all the cooperation stopped, and both sides were killing each other POV without any mercy
Yep, the soviets beat the Nazis. Communism is inherently anti-fascist, and fascism anti-communist.
Remember, one of the key things that build german power, was cooperation with Soviet Union. Before Hitler it was very big economic and military cooperation, then military element was reduced (but not stopped, one of the result was Molotov-Ribbentrop pact) but the economic cooperation between Nazis and Soviets was still going on for a long time.
After Hitler took power, it was the west that cooperated and traded with the Nazis the most, even during WWII.
some were given a pass for convenience and even if much much less than the west "ex"-nazis still about 10% of large parts of east german goverment and people like Arno von Lenski and Kurt Nier got away with their crimes, maintained power and shielded friends because they agreed to collaborate with soviets letting this happen the wrong call .
and also before its read wrong im not criticizing the people they did hang but people Arno von Lenski and Kurt Nier who got away with their crimes, maintained power and shielded friends because they agreed to collaborate with soviets letting this happen the wrong call .
For reference, LARP means live-action role-playing. Dressup fun activities for nerds. People who are too online call each other larpers both ironically or otherwise when mocking the validity of their ideology.
Implying someone is secretly a Russian operative for using a word you don't know is so illustrative of their point that I'm starting to think it's a bit. Great job if it is.
Cope, no it didn't. The US gave ex Nazis leadership positions, the soviets did the pragmatic thing and only extracted useful knowledge and executed them if they refused
No? What are you talking about? Getting real tired of liberals claiming to be anarchists that think they can say whatever they want about socialist states, regardless of its validity, and claim it's simply "anarchist critique." No, anarchist critique is based on looking at historical truth and evaluating it with an anarchist lens, not making shit up.
Yes, your fall back defense and insult: everyone you disagree with is a "liberal". As tiresome as it is predictable. Though this is Hardly an Anarchist critique. Anyone with a basic understanding of the history and no ulterior motives could make the point: Prior to Stalin's death, life was cheap in the USSR. More "good" communists faced execution than Nazis.
Yep, anyone can make shit up, like you just did. 4 million Nazis were killed on the Eastern Front in battle, a number far exceeding even the most outlandish figures liberals came up with for purges, even if we assume 100% of those purged were innocent, which is of course wrong (the vast majority were proven guilty).
Now, in reality, life expectancy doubled while Stalin was in office, and the vast majority of those executed in purges (which wasn't what happened to most that were purged, usually just party expulsions) were found to be guilty of crimes like murder, terrorism, espionage, sexual assault, and more. We also know that there was good reason for the purges, because the USSR was under constant siege, threat of war, infiltration, sabotage, and more for its entire existence, especially prior to World War II.
You don't have a critique to make, you're just repeating Red Scare mythology. Truth for you is less important than wielding the Red Scare like a club against those you disagree with, even if it's trivial to disprove your claims.
I'm not Russian, nor is Putin Russia itself. Putin's party, United Russia, is the nationalist party, and the CPRF is its largest opposition that is gaining in support.
except he is not trying to do that at all i mean it would be more accurate to say he is trying to restore the Russian empire that would be closer to accurate at least but not really that accurate either.
He's a hyper capitalist russian nationalist trying to expand his power and strengthen his position and maybe views it not as "his" but '"russian" power and position his thoughts don't matter. That's really nothing to do with soviet ideals or aesthetics other than a general nostalgia for being relevant he purposely denies soviet ideals any chance he has.
Nah dawg. I called out .ml and .ml doesn't like that. Again, only place on Lemmy I've experienced censorship. It's kind of like the /r/conservative of Lemmy. If your comment doesn't fit the narrative, it's censored.
That's why .ml has the reputation it has. Have fun.
Chris Hedges: Why Russiagate Won’t Go AwayThe cynical con the Democratic Party and the F.B.I. carried out to falsely portray Donald Trump as a puppet of the Kremlin worked, and continues to work, because it is what those who detest Trump want to believe.
Jacobin: Why the Twitter Files Are in Fact a Big DealOn the Left, there’s been a temptation to dismiss the revelations about Twitter’s internal censorship system that have emerged from the so-called Twitter Files project. But that would be a mistake: the news is important and the details are alarming.
Matt Taibbi: Note on New Trump-Russia DisclosuresThanks to explosive new document releases, the Russiagate hoax is now exposed, commencing a new era that will be about accountability for the guilty
For one, that it wasn’t much money at all and had no appreciable effect. Meanwhile the US spends billions on propaganda around the world each year, so much that no other country compares. And domestically, almost all of the influence comes from US corporations and wealthy Americans.
And domestically, almost all of the influence comes from US corporations and wealthy Americans.
That had me stumped. We know the Russian budget for domestic media and narratives, it is not a small one, is that argument that somehow domestic government sanctioned propaganda is somehow better than a kleptocratic one?
Domestically as in within the US. Americans aren’t being influenced by spooky foreigner actors on the other side of the world. It’s coming from inside the house.
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Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 86 pts · 226d
anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml · 47 pts · 226d
Fuck that hits hard
dx1@lemmy.ml · 24 pts · 226d
Read something interesting earlier on Folke Bernadotte's Wiki. Where is it...
davel@lemmy.ml · 38 pts · 226d
Right after WWII, the US rehabilitated its “enemies,” Germany, Italy, and Japan, while starting the Cold War with its “ally,” the USSR. Rehabilitating Germany & Japan was important for the US’ containment strategy against the USSR.
If we see that Germany is winning the war, we ought to help Russia; and if that Russia is winning, we ought to help Germany, and in that way let them kill as many as possible […]. — Senator and future president Harry S. Truman, 1941
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 226d
Demons, the lot of them.
The politicians that is.
dessalines@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 225d
Rockhill - The US didn't defeat Fascism in world war 2, it discreetly internationalized it
thedarkfly@feddit.nl · 16 pts · 226d
I can't find anything on Walter Hallstein and Adolf Heusinger being nazis or committing war crimes. Looks like the former was an academic drafted in the army and the latter a high-ranking officer who began his career before the nazis.
I get that Heusinger can be seen as complicit (he must have known for whom he worked and didn't quit), but what about Hallstein?
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 225d
Wikipedia gives plenty on Adolf Heusinger's involvement in the Nazi party and millitary.
Here's a link for Hallstein.
thedarkfly@feddit.nl · 9 pts · 225d
Thanks for reading more carefully than me!
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 225d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Hallstein
Not the worst nazi but the voluntary military service under the Nazis seals the deal for me. Definitely a Nazi.
thedarkfly@feddit.nl · 4 pts · 225d
Ah yeah, I thought he was drafted. Thanks!
RockBottom@feddit.org · 14 pts · 226d
When US citizens say their great uncle killed Nazis, they want to say they killed drafted cannon fodder.
Smeagol666@crazypeople.online · 9 pts · 225d
Don't forget Pope Benedict was in the Hitler Youth.
ErenOnizuka@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 224d
He had no choice
titanicx@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 225d
Operation Osoaviakhim was a secret Soviet operation in which more than 2,500 German specialists (scientists, engineers and technicians who worked in several areas) from companies and institutions relevant to military and economic policy in the Soviet occupation zone of Germany (SBZ) and Berlin, as well as around 4,000 more family members, totalling more than 6,000 people, were taken from former Nazi Germany as war reparations to the Soviet Union. It took place in the early morning hours of October 22, 1946
davel@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 225d
Did these people get promoted to the head of the USSR’s space program or the chief of staff of the Warsaw Pact or the UN Secretary General or the the Head of the Soviet Socialist Republic Commission?
No, the were used for their technical knowledge and allowed to live quiet lives in obscurity, away from any political power.
ChairmanMeow@programming.dev · 2 pts · 224d
A blatant lie. Erich Apel joined the East German party and became head of the GDRs Economics Comission in the Politburo.
Werner Gruner became an emeritus professor at the TU Dresden.
Brunolf Baade joined the Socialist Unity Party in East Germany and led the jet plane industry there, after having done the same in the Soviet Union. He also was director of the Institute for Lightweight construction and the economical use of Materials and a lecturer at Dresden.
In fact, many of the captured German scientists were only in captivity for less than a decade; afterwards the vast majority of them were allowed to return to East Germany and Austria, where most seem to have lived comfortable lives, and a number of them were politically active with high offices. They certainly did not live in obscurity, nor were they kept away from political power.
titanicx@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 225d
They were allowed to live they were given a country of refuge in their families were brought with them.
davel@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 225d
We already agreed on this, so I don’t know what your point is.
Oppopity@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 225d
The keywords here being "as war reparations".
Nazis were put to work for their crimes not given a new name and passport and a high paying and respected career.
titanicx@lemmy.zip · -3 pts · 225d
I like how the truth about nearly 3,000 Nazi scientists over 4, 000 Nazi regime members in their families were given nice lives in Russia after the war. I like how that little truth breaks everything you're trying to say.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 223d
It really doesn't tho
HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 225d
DegenerationIP@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 225d
Pajonk@szmer.info · -9 pts · 226d
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 31 pts · 226d
There was no "soviet empire." The communists spent the decade prior trying to form an anti-Nazi coalition force, such as the Anglo-French-Soviet Alliance which was pitched by the communists and rejected by the British and French. The communists hated the Nazis from the beginning, as the Nazi party rose to prominence by killing communists and labor organizers, cemented bourgeois rule, and was violently racist and imperialist, while the communists opposed all of that.
When the many talks of alliances with the west all fell short, the Soviets reluctantly agreed to sign a non-agression pact, in order to delay the coming war that everyone knew was happening soon. Throughout the last decade, Britain, France, and other western countries had formed pacts with Nazi Germany, such as the Four-Power Pact, the German-French-Non-Agression Pact, and more. Molotov-Ribbentrop was unique among the non-agression pacts with Nazi Germany in that it was right on the eve of war, and was the first between the USSR and Nazi Germany. It was a last resort, when the west was content from the beginning with working alongside Hitler.
Harry Truman, in 1941 in front of the Senate, stated:
Not only that, but it was the Soviet Union that was responsible for 4/5ths of total Nazi deaths, and winning the war against the Nazis. The Soviet Union did not agree to invade Poland with the Nazis, it was about spheres of influence and red lines the Nazis should not cross in Poland. When the USSR went into Poland, it stayed mostly to areas Poland had invaded and annexed a few decades prior. Should the Soviets have let Poland get entirely taken over by the Nazis, standing idle? The West made it clear that they were never going to help anyone against the Nazis until it was their turn to be targeted.
Correct, the soviets desperately needed finished goods that the west would not sell them.
Yep, the west destroyed Germany and invaded the USSR, so it was unsurprising that pre-Nazi Germany had ties to the USSR. In fact, the west loved the Nazis more than pre-Nazi Germany.
Yep, the soviets beat the Nazis. Communism is inherently anti-fascist, and fascism anti-communist.
After Hitler took power, it was the west that cooperated and traded with the Nazis the most, even during WWII.
davel@lemmy.ml · 24 pts · 226d
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml · -2 pts · 225d
What are you trying to argue here? The OC was removed and you just listed a lot of non aggression pacts - with Polish ones in red for some reason?
HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 226d
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FRmflmnTkc
yogthos@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 226d
why are you here fash?
theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -11 pts · 226d
KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 226d
Double genocide theory is a form of holocaust denial you dipshit
theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 226d
When did i say anything even remotely like that just that soviet denazification wasn't as thorough as some like to pretend?
KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 226d
Ok sorry misread your comment then
How could the soviets been more thorough in your opinion?
theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 226d
some were given a pass for convenience and even if much much less than the west "ex"-nazis still about 10% of large parts of east german goverment and people like Arno von Lenski and Kurt Nier got away with their crimes, maintained power and shielded friends because they agreed to collaborate with soviets letting this happen the wrong call .
theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 226d
and also before its read wrong im not criticizing the people they did hang but people Arno von Lenski and Kurt Nier who got away with their crimes, maintained power and shielded friends because they agreed to collaborate with soviets letting this happen the wrong call .
KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 226d
Edit: Thanks for the correction @Edie@lemmy.ml
Edie@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 225d
DDR and GDR is the same thing, just in German and English. You're looking for BRD or FRG (again, German and English)
minorkeys@lemmy.world · -19 pts · 226d
Funny how Russia's Operation Osoaviakhim did the exact same thing, they were just worse at it. This thread is Russian backed propaganda.
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 33 pts · 226d
You live in a larp world where everyone who disagrees with you is a Russian government agent lmao
minorkeys@lemmy.world · -18 pts · 226d
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 27 pts · 226d
For reference, LARP means live-action role-playing. Dressup fun activities for nerds. People who are too online call each other larpers both ironically or otherwise when mocking the validity of their ideology.
Implying someone is secretly a Russian operative for using a word you don't know is so illustrative of their point that I'm starting to think it's a bit. Great job if it is.
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 226d
See what I mean?
KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml · 22 pts · 226d
Cope, no it didn't. The US gave ex Nazis leadership positions, the soviets did the pragmatic thing and only extracted useful knowledge and executed them if they refused
F_State@midwest.social · -25 pts · 225d
So you're telling me the Soviets treated Nazi's like they treated their own people. Curious.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 24 pts · 225d
No? What are you talking about? Getting real tired of liberals claiming to be anarchists that think they can say whatever they want about socialist states, regardless of its validity, and claim it's simply "anarchist critique." No, anarchist critique is based on looking at historical truth and evaluating it with an anarchist lens, not making shit up.
F_State@midwest.social · -16 pts · 225d
Yes, your fall back defense and insult: everyone you disagree with is a "liberal". As tiresome as it is predictable. Though this is Hardly an Anarchist critique. Anyone with a basic understanding of the history and no ulterior motives could make the point: Prior to Stalin's death, life was cheap in the USSR. More "good" communists faced execution than Nazis.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 225d
Yep, anyone can make shit up, like you just did. 4 million Nazis were killed on the Eastern Front in battle, a number far exceeding even the most outlandish figures liberals came up with for purges, even if we assume 100% of those purged were innocent, which is of course wrong (the vast majority were proven guilty).
Now, in reality, life expectancy doubled while Stalin was in office, and the vast majority of those executed in purges (which wasn't what happened to most that were purged, usually just party expulsions) were found to be guilty of crimes like murder, terrorism, espionage, sexual assault, and more. We also know that there was good reason for the purges, because the USSR was under constant siege, threat of war, infiltration, sabotage, and more for its entire existence, especially prior to World War II.
You don't have a critique to make, you're just repeating Red Scare mythology. Truth for you is less important than wielding the Red Scare like a club against those you disagree with, even if it's trivial to disprove your claims.
davel@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 225d
100 GORRIOLLON NO IFONE
Take your Black Book of Communism nonsense and shove it
F_State@midwest.social · -2 pts · 223d
I sense Ulterior Motives
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 225d
No he said the West did that.
Dr_Vindaloo@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 225d
It's ok bro. You must be 12.
F_State@midwest.social · -9 pts · 225d
An even more vapid rebuttal then I expected
Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk · -33 pts · 226d
theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 39 pts · 226d
this meme is pro soviet hardly pro putin he isn't relevant to its statement,
minorkeys@lemmy.world · -36 pts · 226d
Other than trying to resurrect soviet Russia, nothing at all to do with it...
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 30 pts · 226d
You are one of the most propagandized people on earth
minorkeys@lemmy.world · -12 pts · 226d
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 226d
Everyone who who disbelieves the State Department line is part of an ethnic slav conspiracy , and other copes for racists
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 23 pts · 226d
The CPRF, the largest opposition to United Russia, wants to do so, not United Russia.
minorkeys@lemmy.world · -28 pts · 226d
Putin is Russia. Your parties aren't politically relevant.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 28 pts · 226d
I'm not Russian, nor is Putin Russia itself. Putin's party, United Russia, is the nationalist party, and the CPRF is its largest opposition that is gaining in support.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 26 pts · 226d
The US being a one party state really broke liberals's brains into thinking that's the only possible political outcome.
PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 226d
Not even that, it's straight up "L'État, c'est moi" but not even as hyperbole, for those people its completely unironic.
Achyu@lemmy.sdf.org · 3 pts · 224d
Is the USAmerican case being extrapolated?
Similar to how the Democrats and Republicans are not relevant and Trump is USAmerica?
Anyway, if that's the case for both, then it's pretty bad.
theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 226d
except he is not trying to do that at all i mean it would be more accurate to say he is trying to restore the Russian empire that would be closer to accurate at least but not really that accurate either.
minorkeys@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 226d
What would be completely accurate, then?
theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 226d
He's a hyper capitalist russian nationalist trying to expand his power and strengthen his position and maybe views it not as "his" but '"russian" power and position his thoughts don't matter. That's really nothing to do with soviet ideals or aesthetics other than a general nostalgia for being relevant he purposely denies soviet ideals any chance he has.
minorkeys@lemmy.world · -17 pts · 225d
Capitalist!? Wtf are you smoking?
Objection@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 225d
What exactly do you think occurred in Russia in 1991?
Achyu@lemmy.sdf.org · 5 pts · 224d
Wait, do some folk think that Putin is a communist?
Why?
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 219d
Lack of political literacy, which is an ongoing struggle.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 35 pts · 226d
Didn't realize Putin was in power in the 1940s.
anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml · 33 pts · 226d
Is...is Putin in the room with us right now?
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 30 pts · 226d
Nobody mentioned Putin before you did
PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml · 23 pts · 226d
User Corporal_Punishment confirms hanging nazis is pro-Putin. Damn that's more trust than i have about the denazification of Ukraine.
davel@lemmy.ml · 20 pts · 226d
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · -12 pts · 226d
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 30 pts · 226d
What exactly is "pro-Putin" about the soviets killing Nazis? Why do you talk like that?
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · -13 pts · 225d
Sorry. I can't speak to you because .ml censors users. The only place on Lemmy that I've experienced censorship. Have fun with that.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 225d
Kind of a self-own, if you ask me. The modlog is public, it's mostly you complaining about communists or having a persecution complex.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · -12 pts · 225d
Nah dawg. I called out .ml and .ml doesn't like that. Again, only place on Lemmy I've experienced censorship. It's kind of like the /r/conservative of Lemmy. If your comment doesn't fit the narrative, it's censored.
That's why .ml has the reputation it has. Have fun.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 225d
You know your mod log is public, right? You get "censored" by even Lemmy.world for how often you break the rules, tell other users to get fucked, etc.
minorkeys@lemmy.world · -25 pts · 226d
Russian psyops in action. Putin spends a lot of money shaping hearts and minds in the west.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 226d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism
KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 226d
Cppe
davel@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 225d
Chris Hedges: Why Russiagate Won’t Go Away The cynical con the Democratic Party and the F.B.I. carried out to falsely portray Donald Trump as a puppet of the Kremlin worked, and continues to work, because it is what those who detest Trump want to believe.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml · -3 pts · 225d
davel@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 225d
For one, that it wasn’t much money at all and had no appreciable effect. Meanwhile the US spends billions on propaganda around the world each year, so much that no other country compares. And domestically, almost all of the influence comes from US corporations and wealthy Americans.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml · -3 pts · 225d
davel@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 225d
Domestically as in within the US. Americans aren’t being influenced by spooky foreigner actors on the other side of the world. It’s coming from inside the house.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml · -5 pts · 225d
Literally the link you posted contradicts it
I feel like we're going in circles. Happy New Year!