And yet on my phone I wish websites would stop hawking the native app and just let me use the site. In a way I suppose this is the same complaint since the native apps are often a web wrapper with telemetry.
Same. Literally had two very similar options for a flight last week and it was between Delta and American. Delta made it almost impossible to book last time if I didnt download their app. So the choice was simple, American got my money.
Fuckit, if anything more fancy than HTML + CGI is needed, there's always VRML.
....holy shit, it just dawned on me.. VRML + CGI? Today's PCs should have no issue rendering it, and server-side should be the same as any other CGI page. I gotta do some experimenting with this.
UPDATE: I actually did some research into this, and the possibilities are actually quite extensive. In theory it should be possible to make an extremely basic multiplayer FPS game.
I would prefer webapps to native if there was a protocol to fully load the page and disable network traffic for apps that work fully offline. It is more secure to run an app in the browser because off the layers of isolation in modern browsers. Native apps can access all sorts of information and system resources, which could be used to compromise the host OS.
No, seriously. Web sucks for GUI. Every basic UI framework does a better job at accessibility, not to talk about performance or weird bugs because it expects Chrome (cross-platform, huh?) to simulate a GUI on a Document Object Model, graceful degradation be damned. And buttons, forms, is something you don't need JS for. You do a poor job if you do.
itch.io is a sin against the web. Those idiotic people... enjoying non document based web applications... they are destroying the internet!
The godot foundation is a destructive force and must be ended before all of the web as we know it has capitulated to.... javascript and non DOM APIs!!!!!!!!!
I tried to get on board with this one, but "cross platform apps" made me throw up in my mouth a little. The unholy things we did back then are best left forgotten in their shallow binary graves.
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davidgro@lemmy.world · 60 pts · 215d
And yet on my phone I wish websites would stop hawking the native app and just let me use the site. In a way I suppose this is the same complaint since the native apps are often a web wrapper with telemetry.
Turret3857@infosec.pub · 13 pts · 214d
adminofoz@lemmy.cafe · 6 pts · 214d
Same. Literally had two very similar options for a flight last week and it was between Delta and American. Delta made it almost impossible to book last time if I didnt download their app. So the choice was simple, American got my money.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 53 pts · 215d
I used to put the forms inside of invisible tables, as was the style at the time.
BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 214d
And it was glorious.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 46 pts · 215d
Normally these are meant to be ironic but I kind of vibe with this one.
neidu3@sh.itjust.works · 22 pts · 215d
Fuckit, if anything more fancy than HTML + CGI is needed, there's always VRML.
....holy shit, it just dawned on me.. VRML + CGI? Today's PCs should have no issue rendering it, and server-side should be the same as any other CGI page. I gotta do some experimenting with this.
UPDATE: I actually did some research into this, and the possibilities are actually quite extensive. In theory it should be possible to make an extremely basic multiplayer FPS game.
BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 214d
OMFG do not bring 3D fps websites upon us
xep@discuss.online · 2 pts · 213d
That's partly what techbros wanted with the "Metaverse" silliness. Glad that's over.
Neptr@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 22 pts · 214d
I would prefer webapps to native if there was a protocol to fully load the page and disable network traffic for apps that work fully offline. It is more secure to run an app in the browser because off the layers of isolation in modern browsers. Native apps can access all sorts of information and system resources, which could be used to compromise the host OS.
arrowMace@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 213d
This actually kinda exists, but appears to be implemented in Chrome on Windows only (sigh), and I'm not sure anyone uses it:
https://github.com/WICG/isolated-web-apps/
BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 214d
Like Flash?
Venator@lemmy.nz · 19 pts · 214d
Looks inside: chromium without the url bar
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 214d
No, seriously. Web sucks for GUI. Every basic UI framework does a better job at accessibility, not to talk about performance or weird bugs because it expects Chrome (cross-platform, huh?) to simulate a GUI on a Document Object Model, graceful degradation be damned. And buttons, forms, is something you don't need JS for. You do a poor job if you do.
Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 214d
For a bit more complex form validation (ofc only for user convenience and not security), you need js.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 214d
Convenience feature, basic functionality should work without this. Graceful degradation.
BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 214d
Yeah but you can hack some shit together in jQuery real easy like
sunbeam60@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 213d
So you could in Delphi’s VCL and that compiled to every platform too. And that in the early 90s.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 214d
the web is the display server/compositor of the internet
if you want it to go away, everyone who is working on it and making it work right now disagrees with you
everything you said goes away with canvas and video games.
"durrrr video gaimes no belongy on interwebzzzz bcuz the DOM is for word documents onlyyyyyyyyy steve ballmer said sooooo" – an idiotic luddite
wasm runtimes are the next app platform or will inspire it
The_Decryptor@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 213d
I'm sure most people wouldn't like losing their jobs.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 213d
Yeah if wars were somehow abolished for good, a LOT of people working in arms manufacturing would be pissed.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 213d
itch.io is a sin against the web. Those idiotic people... enjoying non document based web applications... they are destroying the internet!
The godot foundation is a destructive force and must be ended before all of the web as we know it has capitulated to.... javascript and non DOM APIs!!!!!!!!!
bitcrafter@programming.dev · 16 pts · 215d
My favorite part is how this meme itself consists entirely of plain text plus a little styling.
es_eskaliert@feddit.org · 14 pts · 215d
You want graphical interfaces? We already have a solution for it and it's called ncurses!
suicidaleggroll@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 215d
These modern app devs can pry my ncurses TUIs from my cold dead fingers
Agesly@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 215d
To be fair web is still more cross-platform UI than anything else while Apple and Google try to distance their compatibility even further.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 214d
BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 214d
Is flutter still a thing?
Agesly@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 214d
It is, but afaik it will need a major rework due to iOS new design system
dreamos82@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 215d
Well I totally agree with it :) (even if it should be ironic)
pimento64@sopuli.xyz · 11 pts · 215d
Http ruined the gophernet.
Not completely a joke
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 215d
I tried to get on board with this one, but "cross platform apps" made me throw up in my mouth a little. The unholy things we did back then are best left forgotten in their shallow binary graves.
BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 214d
Honestly images were a step too far. And bring back the blink tag.
xep@discuss.online · 3 pts · 213d
Marquees too please.
sunbeam60@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 213d
That was en IE tag. I still used it all the time.
Neptr@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 214d
I would prefer webapps to native if there was a protocol to fully load the page and disable network traffic for apps that work fully offline.
silasmariner@programming.dev · 2 pts · 214d
Vanishingly few apps work fully offline and they tend to be the ones that don't send a buttload of requests in the first place.
In my experience.
MITM0@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 214d
I don't get it, sorry.
etchinghillside@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 215d
Yeah! Make things easier for AI to scrape please!