It was just printed on her podium. Doesnt matter where it comes from. Nasty shit coming from the head of a powerful institution. Maybe it was a bad move leaving those laying around.
No it doesnt, not verbatim. It may capture Nazi ethos and actions but it is not a direct quote from what I can dig up. A similar spanish quote was apparently used by Spanish fascists in the 1930s, "Uno de los nuestros vale por todos los vuestros", which is pretty much the same thing. But the factoid everyone seems to be passing around about an SS Officer being killed is incorrect.
Here's a historical analysis of the question I thought was interesting. Even though the idea that the Nazis coined the specific phrase is baseless, they did threaten and practice that sort of retaliation.
The state will have to file if the attorneys want to be re elected.
They talk about investigating, there is nothing to investigate we have multiple videos. The only thing to investigate is the law and how it plays out with the federal agent in a state.
The state will have to file if the attorneys want to be re elected.
Never mind reelection; they need to file if they want to continue to exist in society at all. That point needs to be impressed upon them, emphatically.
Always been this way. Say whatever you want about Waco (I fucking hate cults and any fundamentalist religion, so this is no support for the cult) and Ruby Ridge but those are just two examples.
Obama calling a drone strike on a US Citizen's wedding in Yemen, the CIA killing probably thousands of Americans but we only know of a few dozen declassified, Kent shooting, and a few more.
It's just more visible now. Sorry if you've seen this line before but it's so true: fascism is imperialism turning inwards. And that inward turning is not only onto domestic operations but also in relation to the "ingroup". Black people being killed for decades (even excluding lynchings) has been ignored by the general population but now, that same hatred and cruelty is being applied to everyone else. The ingroup just got a WHOLE lot smaller.
As far as I know no charges have happened for the franklin park guy that was murdered by them or the woman filled full of holes or the recent couple that was shot. I seriously don't get trumps supporters.
Criminal charges is the compromise we're offering. If they won't agree to that, if those are the rules they wanna play by, there's no reason not to shoot ICE agents on sight.
They raised the murderer's home to hide evidence. They spoke to police unions. They increased their presence in Minneapolis. They are now going door to door while blocking entire streets.
They have, and will continue to do a lot about this.
I read that it's largely due to established precedent that in cases where a police officer shoots a driver, (happens enough for there to be precedent) the burden of proof is to show beyond a reasonable doubt that the killer did not have cause to fear for their life. Proving something to not be the case is very difficult.
Lucky for us we have the whole thing from multiple angles, including the murderers POV because he whipped out his phone because he wanted a video of the murder that he premeditated.
It's a high bar, but this is one of the most documented murders in history.
I've seen all the videos and unfortunately there is JUST enough to cast reasonable doubt. I know it's bullshit, you know it's bullshit, everyone involved knows it's bullshit, but they can absolutely argue that he "feared for his life". Her wheels were 100% turned away from him, but was he in a position to examine the angle of her wheels when the car started moving? Or did he just react when the car started moving after he put himself less than a foot from the front corner?
Again, it's obviously bullshit. He murdered a woman. He willfully put himself in that situation and ended her fucking life because he's a fucking coward. For drawing his gun alone, he should be prosecuted, let alone firing point blank at an unarmed person posing no threat. But with the amount of leeway the justice system gives law enforcement, he will absolutely be able to argue that he had "reasonable fear" in the moment.
He violated official policy, and it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that forcing a driver to slam on the accelerator (due to being dead) can only make the situation worse.
I don't think he'll face charges, but I'm wary of what you remember reading somewhere.
He literally had gotten video of her license plate prior to shooting her. He had no need to put himself in front of her car while other officers were screaming at her to drive away. They could have gone after her later, as is typically done with anyone not considered seriously dangerous that is operating a vehicle, but he chose to get in front of her and start shooting when she complied with the order to drive away
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Stern@lemmy.world · 148 pts · 222d
Make court justice unreliable and folks will simply resort to street justice.
RaoulDuke85@piefed.social · 6 pts · 222d
Seems to be the obvious choice every day.
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com · -60 pts · 222d
Hey that is what the KKK did ... vigilantism.
And of course the X-Men ... another popular vigilante group
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works · 41 pts · 222d
Sort of. It's kind of like the "cult" vs "sect" vs "religion" distinction; it's just a question of scale.
So when it's only a couple inbred, racist fuckwits, it's "vigilantism". When it's half the population of the country, it's "civil unrest".
AlreadyDefederated@midwest.social · 14 pts · 222d
Sadly, only one of those groups are considered to be terrorists, and it's the mutants.
ieatpwns@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 222d
Circular family tree logic
calliope@retrolemmy.com · -7 pts · 222d
The fucking downvotes on this. Lmao. That’s exactly what the KKK did.
And not only them, obviously. White supremacist vigilantism has been a problem for a very long time.
They even brought out a noose during January 6th to reference their favorite how-to book! The Turner Diaries. “Day of the rope” and all.
I love how the fediverse pretends they’re smarter than other social media and you can’t help yourselves with the petty downvotes. Reddit leaks.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 222d
The KKK also uses the internet, so you should stop using the internet too or you're just like them.
calliope@retrolemmy.com · -8 pts · 222d
What a totally useless addition to the conversation.
Are you a real person with a brain? Doesn’t really seem like it.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 222d
That's an awfully aggressive tone, just like the KKK.
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works · 49 pts · 222d
Why would they charge the Gestapo officer for following The Party Directives?
If anyone thinks he'll face charges at federal level, they're delusional.
hopesdead@startrek.website · 39 pts · 222d
LegalEagle has a video breaking down the video and discussing the laws pertaining to this. https://youtu.be/7AQbhes-Ntw
Bischmeister@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 222d
This was a good video 🙂
Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 222d
AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 222d
I support this
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 222d
This alleged vigilante is innocent. The prosecution didn't make their case.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 28 pts · 222d
Why dont we try "One of Us, All of Your's" then? Like Noem touts on her fucken podiums.
calliope@retrolemmy.com · 7 pts · 222d
I think she’s trying to chant “one of us gobble gobble” like the rest of the circus freaks.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 9 pts · 222d
It was just printed on her podium. Doesnt matter where it comes from. Nasty shit coming from the head of a powerful institution. Maybe it was a bad move leaving those laying around.
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 222d
I think it's important to remember that that quote LITERALLY comes from Nazi Germany.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 5 pts · 222d
No it doesnt, not verbatim. It may capture Nazi ethos and actions but it is not a direct quote from what I can dig up. A similar spanish quote was apparently used by Spanish fascists in the 1930s, "Uno de los nuestros vale por todos los vuestros", which is pretty much the same thing. But the factoid everyone seems to be passing around about an SS Officer being killed is incorrect.
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 222d
Well shit. Color me surprised, the internet lied to me.
That's said, if that's how they feel, I will agree. We will do the same. Every fascist must be removed from the earth.
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 222d
Here's a historical analysis of the question I thought was interesting. Even though the idea that the Nazis coined the specific phrase is baseless, they did threaten and practice that sort of retaliation.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 1 pts · 222d
It may be hard to believe but fascists do have a place in the world. Its at the bottom of the Mariana Trench with no equipment.
hector@lemmy.today · 26 pts · 222d
The state will have to file if the attorneys want to be re elected.
They talk about investigating, there is nothing to investigate we have multiple videos. The only thing to investigate is the law and how it plays out with the federal agent in a state.
grue@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 222d
Never mind reelection; they need to file if they want to continue to exist in society at all. That point needs to be impressed upon them, emphatically.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 222d
Federal agencies murdering Americans with total impunity.
Brought to you by every single conservative you know.
nforminvasion@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 221d
Always been this way. Say whatever you want about Waco (I fucking hate cults and any fundamentalist religion, so this is no support for the cult) and Ruby Ridge but those are just two examples.
Obama calling a drone strike on a US Citizen's wedding in Yemen, the CIA killing probably thousands of Americans but we only know of a few dozen declassified, Kent shooting, and a few more.
It's just more visible now. Sorry if you've seen this line before but it's so true: fascism is imperialism turning inwards. And that inward turning is not only onto domestic operations but also in relation to the "ingroup". Black people being killed for decades (even excluding lynchings) has been ignored by the general population but now, that same hatred and cruelty is being applied to everyone else. The ingroup just got a WHOLE lot smaller.
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 221d
HubertManne@piefed.social · 12 pts · 222d
As far as I know no charges have happened for the franklin park guy that was murdered by them or the woman filled full of holes or the recent couple that was shot. I seriously don't get trumps supporters.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 222d
We’re all the frog in the pot.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 221d
Federal charges were never on the table with this MAGA administration.
State charges are still a possibility.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 222d
Federal charges. Which, like duh. He's going to be charged by the state, though
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 222d
You think trump will allow that?
chuckleslord@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 221d
He can't fucking stop it, so what I think he wants is irrelevant. Stop complying in advance, Jesus.
lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 222d
What’s the statute of limitations? It does not matter how long it takes this murderer will pay for his crimes
Triumph@fedia.io · 15 pts · 222d
There is no statute of limitations on murder.
brown567@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 222d
Germany prosecutes ex-Nazi camp guard aged 98
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 221d
OshagHennessey@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 221d
Criminal charges is the compromise we're offering. If they won't agree to that, if those are the rules they wanna play by, there's no reason not to shoot ICE agents on sight.
sunbytes@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 220d
The reason to not do that is that Trump wants you to kill ice agents.
That's why he's ramping up the violence and rhetoric constantly.
He wants an excuse to use the insurrection act before / at the midterms.
OshagHennessey@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 219d
He'll find whatever reason he wants and do it anyway
sunbytes@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 219d
He's held off this long, and it's clear he's wanted to do it.
When it does happen, Fox and Tucker and Jones and all those guys are going to start frothing at the mouth for violence.
OshagHennessey@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 219d
Pretty sure they already are
AlreadyDefederated@midwest.social · 4 pts · 222d
What about a civil suit?
Maybe her family could make him and his family poor for life.
It doesn't substitute for Ms. Good's life in any way, but it does a mote of justice.
AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 222d
We could burn his house down
grue@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 222d
Every state and local official who fails to prosecute is also guilty and should be dealt with accordingly.
They need to be scared not to do their job.
errer@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 222d
Has anyone doxxed this piece of shit yet?
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 222d
His bosses did
myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 221d
I am shocked. You mean the legal system and government will do literally fucking nothing. That is unimaginable.
Rooster326@programming.dev · 2 pts · 221d
They didn't do nothing.
They raised the murderer's home to hide evidence. They spoke to police unions. They increased their presence in Minneapolis. They are now going door to door while blocking entire streets.
They have, and will continue to do a lot about this.
lorski@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 221d
STATE charges - LFG!
Kayday@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 222d
I read that it's largely due to established precedent that in cases where a police officer shoots a driver, (happens enough for there to be precedent) the burden of proof is to show beyond a reasonable doubt that the killer did not have cause to fear for their life. Proving something to not be the case is very difficult.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 22 pts · 222d
Lucky for us we have the whole thing from multiple angles, including the murderers POV because he whipped out his phone because he wanted a video of the murder that he premeditated.
It's a high bar, but this is one of the most documented murders in history.
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 222d
I've seen all the videos and unfortunately there is JUST enough to cast reasonable doubt. I know it's bullshit, you know it's bullshit, everyone involved knows it's bullshit, but they can absolutely argue that he "feared for his life". Her wheels were 100% turned away from him, but was he in a position to examine the angle of her wheels when the car started moving? Or did he just react when the car started moving after he put himself less than a foot from the front corner?
Again, it's obviously bullshit. He murdered a woman. He willfully put himself in that situation and ended her fucking life because he's a fucking coward. For drawing his gun alone, he should be prosecuted, let alone firing point blank at an unarmed person posing no threat. But with the amount of leeway the justice system gives law enforcement, he will absolutely be able to argue that he had "reasonable fear" in the moment.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 5 pts · 222d
The legal standard isn't if he was afraid it's if a reasonable person should have been afraid. That's a big fucking difference.
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 222d
Not for law enforcement
darvocet@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 222d
At least let the jury decide.
null@piefed.nullspace.lol · 12 pts · 222d
I don't think thats true.
He violated official policy, and it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that forcing a driver to slam on the accelerator (due to being dead) can only make the situation worse.
I don't think he'll face charges, but I'm wary of what you remember reading somewhere.
ToastedRavioli@midwest.social · 13 pts · 222d
He literally had gotten video of her license plate prior to shooting her. He had no need to put himself in front of her car while other officers were screaming at her to drive away. They could have gone after her later, as is typically done with anyone not considered seriously dangerous that is operating a vehicle, but he chose to get in front of her and start shooting when she complied with the order to drive away
Triumph@fedia.io · 1 pts · 222d
Maybe the first shot. The two through the driver's window make it murder.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 221d
I believe the precedented standard is time-off with pay. /s
ladyofcrypto@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 221d