I mean, graded take home essays are a waste. It's like assigning weight training. Good for exercising, and we can talk about your form when you're done.
But as soon as you start stack ranking the results, the incentive to cheat outpaces the goal of practicing ingesting and outputing ideas.
In an ideal world, sure. School, largely, hasn’t taught that in a long time. That’s not how the incentive structures work. School is incentivized by grades, grades don’t go up with learning, teaching is hard, memorizing and regurgitating? That’s much easier. Tests have been changed to reflect that.
Unless, you’re not American that is. I wouldn’t have any experience with a somewhat functional education system.
Yeah, it's because it's not the school that is bullshit.
It's some of the stuff people do there. At the same time, some aren't. And we are incredibly bad at telling the difference, and worse than useless on doing that at scale.
At my age (sorry dunno yours) everything comes quickly but I agree this, and other tech stuff lately, come on fast these days.
Side note reminds me of neuromancer (book) where it's described as subcultures can come up and disappear quite fast. Oddly relevant to today even if we can't plug into the net. It's a single line in the book so don't think that's the focus if you haven't read it, but I do recommend. Though the prose can't be difficult sometimes cause sometimes almost written poetic.
Definitely one of my favourites somehow didn't read (well listen) till like 8 years ago, wish I made the effort much sooner but grew up mostly without an Internet or friends to tell me I should check it out...then decades happened. Took me a listen or two to really get it but it's one of those I pick up on some line I didn't ponder before that says more than first glance.
Rest of the trilogy is great too I'm hoping the 3rd in the peripheral series will be good.
I'm glad you raised that to my attention. Would you have a few minutes to allow me to introduce you to a most righteous and contentious rock and roll band, The Pink Floyd?
I think you might enjoy a quick listen to Dark Side of the Moon and then journey on to The Wall. All in all a nice little jaunt.
I appreciate your effort to educate me on the fine music of Pink Floyd, but i have to let you know, i was already aware of them. Let me return the favour and tell you of the show i was quoting: The IT Crowd is a brilliant bit of British comedy depicting the escapades of the IT department in a stereotypical company.
Several posts are saying this would be a good thing. Maybe, if implemented like the meme shows, but I worry ads in LLM chatbot output have the potential to be the most insidious and persuasive form of advertising we've ever seen. Chatbots are -- by their nature -- conversational and pushed in forms that are meant to eliminate any sort of thinking on the part of the user. And more and more, people are using them as their closest, most trusted confidants. Who's to say a (e.g.) political candidate won't pay to control the narrative of a chatbot, and have their propaganda ("ads") appear as a private conversation between an individual and their trusted "friend" or "partner"?
The timeline with the current AI sounds like ripoff from "the paper clips" game, where the only task is to make the number go up. If you play that game, you'll spot that dark patterns used have spread everywhere since.
::: spoiler it doesn't end well for us.
eventually consuming the earth and universe, converting them into paper clips. 100% addiction game.
Note that 5th grade papers are always just horrible to read. This is why I don't like LLM output, because it sounds just like 5th grade papers. Not a soul wants to read middle school papers.
So I think broadly speaking the LLMs can generate middle school papers generally fine, at least they fit in.
43 Comments
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 98 pts · 224d
Teachers are using AI to grade essays. But some experts are raising ethical concerns
We pretend to study and they pretend to grade us.
jonathan7luke@lemmy.zip · 37 pts · 223d
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 223d
Can't not read that in his voice
ranzispa@mander.xyz · 8 pts · 223d
I read it three times perfecting his voice, then I read your comment.
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org · 24 pts · 223d
Which I think just illustrates that take-home essays aren't a great way to do things now, if they ever were.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 223d
I mean, graded take home essays are a waste. It's like assigning weight training. Good for exercising, and we can talk about your form when you're done.
But as soon as you start stack ranking the results, the incentive to cheat outpaces the goal of practicing ingesting and outputing ideas.
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 9 pts · 223d
95/100, this grade brought to you by Doctor Squatch.
urandom@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 223d
Reminds me of the ageless socialist joke:
taiyang@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 223d
Yeah... That's a violation of FERPA and is reportable offense that'll get ya fired or sued. Lol
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de · -5 pts · 223d
of course, most of school was bullshit long before AI, so what
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 223d
School is suppose to teach you how to critically think and learn. The material is mostly there to prove you have the ability to do it.
Hathaway@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 222d
In an ideal world, sure. School, largely, hasn’t taught that in a long time. That’s not how the incentive structures work. School is incentivized by grades, grades don’t go up with learning, teaching is hard, memorizing and regurgitating? That’s much easier. Tests have been changed to reflect that.
Unless, you’re not American that is. I wouldn’t have any experience with a somewhat functional education system.
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org · 6 pts · 223d
It kind of is sometimes, but at the same time it's hard to do education any other way.
marcos@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 223d
Yeah, it's because it's not the school that is bullshit.
It's some of the stuff people do there. At the same time, some aren't. And we are incredibly bad at telling the difference, and worse than useless on doing that at scale.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 223d
best part of my education happened outside of class, in TA and office hours (or prepping for them). same with best part of my college years.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 53 pts · 223d
Generally, I'm against advertising, but using it to poison AI output is something I can get behind.
TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website · 41 pts · 224d
Wow! The enshitification of LLM comes quicker than what I would believe
axh@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 223d
Too soon, it might kill AI chatbots (fingers crossed)
orbitz@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 222d
At my age (sorry dunno yours) everything comes quickly but I agree this, and other tech stuff lately, come on fast these days.
Side note reminds me of neuromancer (book) where it's described as subcultures can come up and disappear quite fast. Oddly relevant to today even if we can't plug into the net. It's a single line in the book so don't think that's the focus if you haven't read it, but I do recommend. Though the prose can't be difficult sometimes cause sometimes almost written poetic.
TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website · 2 pts · 222d
I have a collector edition 😅
orbitz@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 222d
Definitely one of my favourites somehow didn't read (well listen) till like 8 years ago, wish I made the effort much sooner but grew up mostly without an Internet or friends to tell me I should check it out...then decades happened. Took me a listen or two to really get it but it's one of those I pick up on some line I didn't ponder before that says more than first glance.
Rest of the trilogy is great too I'm hoping the 3rd in the peripheral series will be good.
TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website · 2 pts · 222d
His Spook Country trilogy is pretty great too. Didn’t read the peripheral one maybe in the future.
derry@midwest.social · 25 pts · 223d
We don't need no education
elvith@feddit.org · 12 pts · 223d
We don't need no thought control
flameleaf@programming.dev · 10 pts · 223d
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
AgentRocket@feddit.org · 6 pts · 223d
Yes, you do, because you've just used a double negative.
derry@midwest.social · 7 pts · 223d
I'm glad you raised that to my attention. Would you have a few minutes to allow me to introduce you to a most righteous and contentious rock and roll band, The Pink Floyd?
I think you might enjoy a quick listen to Dark Side of the Moon and then journey on to The Wall. All in all a nice little jaunt.
AgentRocket@feddit.org · 7 pts · 223d
I appreciate your effort to educate me on the fine music of Pink Floyd, but i have to let you know, i was already aware of them. Let me return the favour and tell you of the show i was quoting: The IT Crowd is a brilliant bit of British comedy depicting the escapades of the IT department in a stereotypical company.
here is a link to the bit i was quoting.
derry@midwest.social · 4 pts · 223d
Did you try turning it off and back on again?
//Jk. Love the IT Crowd. Appreciate the back and forth for some amusement in the trying times
nickiwest@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 223d
My brain automatically read that in Richard Ayoade's voice.
onlinepersona@programming.dev · 2 pts · 223d
Ayaya ayaya!
ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 223d
And you're a prescriptivist!
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 222d
Language isn't math.
a1tsca13@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 223d
Several posts are saying this would be a good thing. Maybe, if implemented like the meme shows, but I worry ads in LLM chatbot output have the potential to be the most insidious and persuasive form of advertising we've ever seen. Chatbots are -- by their nature -- conversational and pushed in forms that are meant to eliminate any sort of thinking on the part of the user. And more and more, people are using them as their closest, most trusted confidants. Who's to say a (e.g.) political candidate won't pay to control the narrative of a chatbot, and have their propaganda ("ads") appear as a private conversation between an individual and their trusted "friend" or "partner"?
Derpenheim@lemmy.zip · 17 pts · 223d
WARTHUNDER, THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE VEHICLE BATTLE SIMULATION
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de · 16 pts · 223d
At least that way we'll be able to tell when things are AI-generated.
tazeycrazy@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 223d
I was thinking this will be a good turing test. Going to be tricky for ad block to stop.
JATtho@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 223d
Deploy the hypnobots! Marketing +10000%!
The timeline with the current AI sounds like ripoff from "the paper clips" game, where the only task is to make the number go up. If you play that game, you'll spot that dark patterns used have spread everywhere since.
::: spoiler it doesn't end well for us.
eventually consuming the earth and universe, converting them into paper clips. 100% addiction game.
:::
irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 223d
One of the few situations where advertising could be a good thing
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 223d
Busted
jj4211@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 223d
Note that 5th grade papers are always just horrible to read. This is why I don't like LLM output, because it sounds just like 5th grade papers. Not a soul wants to read middle school papers.
So I think broadly speaking the LLMs can generate middle school papers generally fine, at least they fit in.
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 223d
This essay is brought to you by Raid: Shadow Legends.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 223d
Ads in ChatGPT? Okay, you guys have fun with that. I want nothing to do with that BS.