uhm... excuse me good sir but this is russian propaganda. don't call my wholesome ukrainian army 'nazis' they're just small chunguses and lowk like the avengers saving themselves from thanos.
Remember Ukraine killing journalists documenting war crimes? Andrea Rochelli was the name. He was added on an infamous list of ukranians enemies and killed after that
This narrative is fucking ridiculous to help justify an unjustifiable war. Putin is a fascist leading a fascist regime in a country that is the farthest thing from USSR. Invaded an independent country, started a modern trench war, because the Ukrainian army has a group that has Nazis? That's the lamest excuse. All armies in the world have groups that are Nazi/Fascist sympathizers. You need to stop parroting fascist propaganda while calling yourselves Leftists.
"Independent country" lol no, current gov in Ukraine was installed by US backed coup, is an obvious puppet for our foreign policy, removing it is a good thing regardless of who does it
Injustifiable war, exactly. Donbass is occupied from 2008. They had elections to go with russia. Instambul treaty was signed, when usa and Johnson decided war had to continue. This is an injustifiable war driven by USA. Like many in the world.
I love how libs have no framework for analyzing why things happen so you just end up combining words you've heard before into a salad. Entertain me, tell me why you think this war started.
All armies in the world have groups that are Nazi/Fascist sympathizers
Americans are mostly one dimensional. They really believe they are the good guys fighting to export freedom and democracy in the world. They are mostly ultras, not an once of auto critic for their team. They are always the good guys. Always. It is irritating. Anyway, zelensky government was a coup. The guy is right.
Oh, was Iraq bad? I was told by shitlibs that the guy in charge of the government who we put there to secure resources and kill leftists had suddenly and overnight become the ultimate villain and we would be greeted as liberators. I was told that if I disagreed with total war I was a Putin shill Saddm lover. What ever happened to that? Seems like everyone is pretending they never supported it now.
Anyway, no time to think back and learn from the past. We have to support this nazi government that we installed to secure resources and kill leftists! These are our nazis, that makes it okay! Operation Paperclip? Idk sounds like some commie conspiracy theory!
Like what's the common American denominator here dude? Reeeally think about it. Also you don't know what imperialism is, or you wouldn't be using a definition that classifies the D Day landings as "imperialist".
Some bad people in it
"Just a few seig heiling bad apples in the heights of government and military power"
Overall this is a truly shit-tier analogy, try harder. You are the Humvee-driving Iraq war cheerleader in this metaphor.
Was Iraq bad? Ofc. Who installed saddam in the first place? Trump is telling: Americans first create the mess, buy the dips ( like Iraqi gold), then either flee like in Afghanistan, or try to reach some kpi for allied press. American imperialism is a cancer.
Yeah every war is "bad" genius, if that's the extent of your analysis then you're useless. Try actually engaging with any of my points and then we can talk.
Yeah they're nazi shits, but they are also ultranationalist fanatics who say they are ready die for their country. Putin and gang intend to invade. Tight spot. What are the options here?
A: Kick them out and persecute them : resources allocated elsewhere, risk of great loss from the invading russians.
B: Don't let them participate : not great, pretty much sheltering nazis behind lines.
C: Let the ultranationalist fanatics die for their country like they want to.
They have a list of people to kill like Israel. Mostly journalists. Some Italian guy was killed because he was documenting ukranian war crimes. If one kills like a nazi, act as a nazi, is he a nazi?
A lot of the Nazis are staying closer to Kiev, leaving conscripts to die on the frontlines. That's why hundreds of thousands of conscripts have deserted or fled to Belarus.
Dude donbass is occupied from 2008. Wealthy ukranians dont give a shit, 5millions fled cause they could buy houses everywhere. First week of war in Valencia we saw a spike in mercedes, thought they were Russians. They were so many. All males, 20/40 years old, buying flats.
"Russian War of Aggression" lol this is like when southerners call the civil war "the war of northern aggression". Just absolute cope to pretend they didn't do everything possible to start it. I guess nazis doing ethnic cleansing isn't worth stopping to you, huh?
"Umm no actually it's the russians who are nazis, not the nazis! You're a paid bot for remembering things! You're not a real person! I'm not a fascist btw"
The key distinction with Ukraine is that the Banderites actually are in control of the state, and the various neo-Nazi groups are empowered by said state. Every state has Nazi groups, but Ukraine stands out in that said Nazi groups took power in a coup in 2014.
The EU is also fascist, as imperialism is declining they are surging to the right to force austerity at home. Same with the US Empire. The west is overwhelmingly fascist.
Yes, asshole, the bloc that has supported Palestinian genocide to the hilt, imprisoned anti-genocide protestors, and armed Ukranian nazis in a campaign of ethnic cleansing that saw them murder 13,000 civilians in the Donbas Republics...are fucking nazis. I'm so glad you're starting to get it.
Like at this point you're just desperate not to admit to yourself that the same media that tried to get you to support genocide in Palestine successfully tricked you into supporting nazis in Ukraine
Do you get out-argued by "bots" often? You find yourself in this position a lot, flailing with weak meaningless redditisms and telling yourself that the person proving you wrong isn't a real human? You're pathetic dude.
Yes of course I am a Nazi, I believe in human rights, that the human race is unique, that no ethnics is superior to another and that a people with its own culture and language have the rights to have nation.
If that is your definition of a nazi I guess you can say Putin is a democratic president and Trump an anti pedophile.
and that a people with its own culture and language have the rights to have nation.
This is why Donetsk and Luhansk seceded from Kiev, though, as they are primarily culturally Russian, and Kiev, post-Euromaidan, began suppressing the Russian language. If you genuinely hold the values you do, then you should support the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics against Kiev.
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Twongo@lemmy.ml · 22 pts · 197d
uhm... excuse me good sir but this is russian propaganda. don't call my wholesome ukrainian army 'nazis' they're just small chunguses and lowk like the avengers saving themselves from thanos.
eldavi@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 197d
i always imagine the nazis w super hereo tattoos and the most clueless out of anyone.
ReallyCoolDude@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 196d
Andrea rochelli was killed because he was documenting ukranian war crimes. This is nazi shit.
ReallyCoolDude@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 195d
Shut up, your is American propaganda. War could have ended in 4 months if not for Biden. Do you remeber the instambul treaty ?
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 195d
Her comment is satire.
foenkyfjutschah@programming.dev · 0 pts · 196d
the meme refers to the elements of the army that see themselves in OUN & NS tradition.
biotin7@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 197d
No wonder the libs love Graham Platner, just more goodies for them at the cost of the world
PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 197d
Should be also third hand with Graham Plattner, but it would be lib too.
ReallyCoolDude@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 196d
Remember Ukraine killing journalists documenting war crimes? Andrea Rochelli was the name. He was added on an infamous list of ukranians enemies and killed after that
fakasad68@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 197d
Wait, why are liberals represented by the black arm? Are you implying that all liberals are black /j
HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 197d
"We originally had both as black people but the conservatives lynched the other one."
migo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 196d
This narrative is fucking ridiculous to help justify an unjustifiable war. Putin is a fascist leading a fascist regime in a country that is the farthest thing from USSR. Invaded an independent country, started a modern trench war, because the Ukrainian army has a group that has Nazis? That's the lamest excuse. All armies in the world have groups that are Nazi/Fascist sympathizers. You need to stop parroting fascist propaganda while calling yourselves Leftists.
dessalines@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 196d
The current regime in Kiev was installed by a US coup in 2014. Obama even bragged about carrying it out.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 196d
"Independent country" lol no, current gov in Ukraine was installed by US backed coup, is an obvious puppet for our foreign policy, removing it is a good thing regardless of who does it
ReallyCoolDude@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 196d
Remeber how many cia bases Biden could install there. Biden son was getting 1million per month to dont work.
optissima@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 196d
Evidence of this? It's hard to prove a 100%, and I doubt AES countries do.
ReallyCoolDude@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 195d
This is true. You need people ready to kill and die because of an order. Sane people, if free to choose, dont go to war
optissima@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 195d
It only takes one side to have fanatics for the other side to need to defend itself; it's not just an order that drives sane people to war.
ReallyCoolDude@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 196d
You are an American, or you only get info on socials. Read about Ukranian war a bit, how it could have ended in few months, how the end of the war would have hurt american interests. Stat here, but eurpean newspapers were pretty informing at that time. https://www.intellinews.com/fresh-evidence-suggests-that-the-april-2022-istanbul-peace-deal-to-end-the-war-in-ukraine-was-stillborn-321468/
Please guys stop thinking about good and bad guys in politics or wars. Start thinking.
ReallyCoolDude@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 195d
Injustifiable war, exactly. Donbass is occupied from 2008. They had elections to go with russia. Instambul treaty was signed, when usa and Johnson decided war had to continue. This is an injustifiable war driven by USA. Like many in the world.
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 196d
I love how libs have no framework for analyzing why things happen so you just end up combining words you've heard before into a salad. Entertain me, tell me why you think this war started.
"Everyone has fascists"
A) wrong, pure projection
B) And do those groups run the entire government?
ReallyCoolDude@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 196d
Americans are mostly one dimensional. They really believe they are the good guys fighting to export freedom and democracy in the world. They are mostly ultras, not an once of auto critic for their team. They are always the good guys. Always. It is irritating. Anyway, zelensky government was a coup. The guy is right.
m532@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 196d
If you say "fascist" often enough, reality will bend to your will. You are a IRL jedi, controlling the world with your mind. Keep doing it.
rbesfe@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 196d
Imperialism is actually a good thing when the government you're attacking has bad people in it. Just like Iraq, right guys?
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 196d
Oh, was Iraq bad? I was told by shitlibs that the guy in charge of the government who we put there to secure resources and kill leftists had suddenly and overnight become the ultimate villain and we would be greeted as liberators. I was told that if I disagreed with total war I was a
Putin shillSaddm lover. What ever happened to that? Seems like everyone is pretending they never supported it now.Anyway, no time to think back and learn from the past. We have to support this nazi government that we installed to secure resources and kill leftists! These are our nazis, that makes it okay! Operation Paperclip? Idk sounds like some commie conspiracy theory!
Like what's the common American denominator here dude? Reeeally think about it. Also you don't know what imperialism is, or you wouldn't be using a definition that classifies the D Day landings as "imperialist".
"Just a few seig heiling bad apples in the heights of government and military power"
Overall this is a truly shit-tier analogy, try harder. You are the Humvee-driving Iraq war cheerleader in this metaphor.
Maeve@kbin.earth · 6 pts · 196d
One bad apple spoils the whole barrel.
ReallyCoolDude@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 195d
Was Iraq bad? Ofc. Who installed saddam in the first place? Trump is telling: Americans first create the mess, buy the dips ( like Iraqi gold), then either flee like in Afghanistan, or try to reach some kpi for allied press. American imperialism is a cancer.
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 195d
💯%. Set em up, knock em down, repeat, profit
rbesfe@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 176d
You read and write like an LLM, I'm saying both wars are bad
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 175d
Liberals and dehumanization, an iconic duo
Yeah every war is "bad" genius, if that's the extent of your analysis then you're useless. Try actually engaging with any of my points and then we can talk.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 196d
Lol dumb
sircac@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 196d
mmm@mander.xyz · -3 pts · 196d
Yeah they're nazi shits, but they are also ultranationalist fanatics who say they are ready die for their country. Putin and gang intend to invade. Tight spot. What are the options here?
A: Kick them out and persecute them : resources allocated elsewhere, risk of great loss from the invading russians.
B: Don't let them participate : not great, pretty much sheltering nazis behind lines.
C: Let the ultranationalist fanatics die for their country like they want to.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 196d
"Sure they're Nazis, but they help us fight Russia!"
-liberals in 1938
Achyu@lemmy.sdf.org · 13 pts · 196d
So did their plan work? Are the Nazis in Ukraine weaker or stronger now?
ReallyCoolDude@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 195d
They have a list of people to kill like Israel. Mostly journalists. Some Italian guy was killed because he was documenting ukranian war crimes. If one kills like a nazi, act as a nazi, is he a nazi?
Transform2942@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 196d
They may be Nazis, but they're our Nazis so that makes it okay
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 196d
A lot of the Nazis are staying closer to Kiev, leaving conscripts to die on the frontlines. That's why hundreds of thousands of conscripts have deserted or fled to Belarus.
ReallyCoolDude@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 195d
Dude donbass is occupied from 2008. Wealthy ukranians dont give a shit, 5millions fled cause they could buy houses everywhere. First week of war in Valencia we saw a spike in mercedes, thought they were Russians. They were so many. All males, 20/40 years old, buying flats.
cmder@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 197d
HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 197d
Libs also be like: "Anyone criticizing Israel is antisimetic" 🤝 "Anyone criticizing Ukraine is a Russian bot"
cmder@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 196d
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 196d
"Russian War of Aggression" lol this is like when southerners call the civil war "the war of northern aggression". Just absolute cope to pretend they didn't do everything possible to start it. I guess nazis doing ethnic cleansing isn't worth stopping to you, huh?
cmder@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 196d
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 196d
"Umm no actually it's the russians who are nazis, not the nazis! You're a paid bot for remembering things! You're not a real person! I'm not a fascist btw"
Always projection with you nazis, huh?
cmder@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 196d
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 196d
The key distinction with Ukraine is that the Banderites actually are in control of the state, and the various neo-Nazi groups are empowered by said state. Every state has Nazi groups, but Ukraine stands out in that said Nazi groups took power in a coup in 2014.
The EU is also fascist, as imperialism is declining they are surging to the right to force austerity at home. Same with the US Empire. The west is overwhelmingly fascist.
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 196d
Holy shit, you're finally starting to understand
Yes, asshole, the bloc that has supported Palestinian genocide to the hilt, imprisoned anti-genocide protestors, and armed Ukranian nazis in a campaign of ethnic cleansing that saw them murder 13,000 civilians in the Donbas Republics...are fucking nazis. I'm so glad you're starting to get it.
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 197d
"Anyone who points out that I'm supporting a nazi regime is a both a treacherous Russian and also not a real person"
cmder@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 196d
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 196d
"America can't be racist because they had a black president"
Headass
cmder@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 196d
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 196d
List of sources: https://lemmy.ml/post/40735900/22934447
Like at this point you're just desperate not to admit to yourself that the same media that tried to get you to support genocide in Palestine successfully tricked you into supporting nazis in Ukraine
cmder@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 196d
Maeve@kbin.earth · 8 pts · 196d
Step one: ask for evidence Step two: claim you don't need evidence
ZeroHora@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 196d
Slave workers? What?
PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 196d
cmder@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 196d
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 196d
"Sure he's doing a racially motivated lebensraum genocide but he's not a nazi" lol ok fuck off now with your nazi apologia
cmder@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 196d
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 196d
Do you get out-argued by "bots" often? You find yourself in this position a lot, flailing with weak meaningless redditisms and telling yourself that the person proving you wrong isn't a real human? You're pathetic dude.
PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 196d
Even if we ignore what he's doing in Palestine, he's open hitlerite, just more out of the closet than you.
cmder@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 196d
Yes of course I am a Nazi, I believe in human rights, that the human race is unique, that no ethnics is superior to another and that a people with its own culture and language have the rights to have nation.
If that is your definition of a nazi I guess you can say Putin is a democratic president and Trump an anti pedophile.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 196d
This is why Donetsk and Luhansk seceded from Kiev, though, as they are primarily culturally Russian, and Kiev, post-Euromaidan, began suppressing the Russian language. If you genuinely hold the values you do, then you should support the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics against Kiev.
Maeve@kbin.earth · 5 pts · 196d
They saw Israel do it and have the same imperial power goading them.