You don’t need to be a liberal to oppose Trump’s ICE | You just need to care about your own constitutional rights.
https://www.vox.com/politics/476263/trump-ice-minnesota-constitution-renee-good?view_token=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJpZCI6ImJDWDNtc2oyVkUiLCJwIjoiL3BvbGl0aWNzLzQ3NjI2My90cnVtcC1pY2UtbWlubmVzb3RhLWNvbnN0aXR1dGlvbi1yZW5lZS1nb29kIiwiZXhwIjoxNzcwNDYzMDI1LCJpYXQiOjE3NjkyNTM0MjZ9.yazgyIJMWZO7P1i28USzT2SAfVR1fdmR1uaImHOZry0
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givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 241d
Been true since ICE was created, but too many "moderates" didn't care till they saw they might be the victim too.
We're like 2/3s of the way thru "first they came for" and people still don't realize it
ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 240d
They didn't care until a white woman died. Prior to her the only ones called to abolish ice are leftists.
7101334@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 239d
"Being a leftist in America is being correct first and everyone hating you for it"
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 41 pts · 241d
This erroneously assumes conservatives care about their own constitutional rights.
This is the party of "the only moral abortion is my abortion" and "I hate the gays until my kid comes out gay."
They have no ability to actually visualize it happening to them until it is already too late. Until it is directly happening to them, in their view, it isn't happening at all.
Even when it happens to friends and neighbors, they will find ways to rhetorically and mentally justify it.
Until their own constitutional rights are being impacted directly and personally, they don't give a shit and trying to tell them that they should be concerned is a fools errand.
silence7@slrpnk.net · 10 pts · 241d
I don't expect the Republican true believers to be swayed by this. But there is a huge chunk of the US population which doesn't fall neatly into ideological buckets, and which can see why having a gestapo isn't in their interest.
BossDj@piefed.social · 6 pts · 241d
When they're constantly told the other side is "cheating," they will easily believe that it is necessary for them to cheat, too.
Even less-stupid conservatives think that allowing the left to be in charge leads to an inevitability of unadulterated socialism which, in their brain, looks like East Berlin
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 239d
Anyone who hasn't made up their mind yet is profoundly mentally defective.
7101334@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 239d
It's easy to fall into that kind of thinking but there are many Americans who aren't privileged enough to have time to think. They work 40+ hour work weeks with 1-2 hour commutes, leaving maybe 4 hours or so in their day to eat, perform all their household chores, and raise their children. They're exhausted. I've worked in a number of warehouses and similar settings so I've known many people like that myself. People who literally do almost nothing with their lives but work.
Those people are already exhausted and exploited. It's a heavy lift to expect them to expend the emotional energy required to both accept how their country is an evil fraud, understand why that's the case, and understand what needs to be done about it. For those people, they need to be steeped in it, exposed to the concepts slowly and comfortably, and fed these concepts wrapped in metaphorical cheese. And for those of us who do get it, we have to do what we can to alleviate their exploitation in whatever ways we can, for example, offering community-based childcare or food pantries.
Part of class solidarity is compassion. Do you want to feel better than others, or do you want them on your side?
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 241d
Trumps ICE is what right wing ammosexual militia types have been furiously masturbating over "the gubmint commin ta git meh" for like 50 years.
and now that the very thing they've feared and prepared for, for decades, is here. Unwarranted arrests, Home Invasions, Government Disappearings... They are A-OK with it, cause anything is OK as long as its their team doing it.
MBech@feddit.dk · 17 pts · 241d
Until they get hurt themselves. Then they cry to the media "I didn't vote for this!!!"
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 241d
of course, thats a given. "They werent supposed to hurt ME, they were supposed to hurt all the people I hate!"
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 239d
Be the future you want to see.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 241d
Conservatives tell us every day that they never actually believed in principles
zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 241d
Conservatives:
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com · 5 pts · 241d
they aren't yet concerned about their natural rights as they have yet to be challenged. and they never believed anyone "deserved" natural rights except themselves.
The Republican motto "But I'm doing just fine" is not a position that can be dis-entrenched by rhetoric. It requires suffering.
devolution@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 241d
Conservatives are jacking off to this unless it's their home. In which case conservatives are jacking off to other conservatives being harassed.
FYI conservative women can jack off too. It's called clit manipulation.
PointlessProtestAgainstTheMachine@lemmy.org · 3 pts · 241d
Clit manipulation will be banned in red states soon. Just like voting without proper documentation of your birth name, which will prevent most women from entering a polling booth in October.
devolution@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 241d
Someone should tell that to the Conservative CrossFit women like MTG.
PointlessProtestAgainstTheMachine@lemmy.org · 2 pts · 241d
She will fall in line like all the other conservative women.
devolution@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 241d
Rubbing my clit makes Jesus sad. They'll probably say that.
PointlessProtestAgainstTheMachine@lemmy.org · 2 pts · 241d
Sad he can’t tap that!! Fucking pervert Jesus. Watching women manipulate.
qarbone@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 240d
You just have to be somewhat not racist. A lot of these people accept these gross breachs of rights because they would rather no one have rights than everybody have rights.
They might never say those words. And they might believe they'll lose those rights less, so "it's fine." But the core of it is a refusal to allow other people to be.
ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 240d
The problem is we should be opposing ICE, not just Trump's version. Biden's version has them chasing down Hatians on horseback, slave patrol style. Biden helped build the current infrastructure for trump to exploit.
Liberals only oppose it now because a white woman died.
hardcoreufo@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 240d
And now a white man. But more important than race or gender I think people care more because they were US citizens and were murdered in broad daylight. Their murder and rape of immigrants is being done behind closed doors. Sure a story leaks out here and there but we lack the visceral impact of a video.
stringere@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 240d
That's one of the details in today's coverage that kept getting under my skin: identifying them as citizens as if that makes it worse.
The already egregious violations of multiple civil rights taking place up to and including the murder are the story, not the victim's immigration status.
If they were not a citizen they are still entitled to all civil rights granted by our constitution; the Bill of Rights makes no mention of citizenship as a condition for the rights enumerated therein nor does the word "citizen" even appear in the text.
If they are allowed to take away one person's rights, all of ours are forfeit.
Bombastion@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 240d
Yeah, that really frustrated me because they've killed literally dozens of people in the last year. That said, it got people moving, which is at least something.
ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 240d
It got them moving for about a week
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 239d
Well liberals aren't opposing it, they're funding it.
And for years didn't do anything because it was hurting the right people. Now that its not, they want to find it still but with marked vans because that solves the Stazi founded to beat up brown people.