It was in his waistband, at the small of his back. You can see an agent lift his shirt and take the gun, then you hear the first shot. Agent with his gun runs away, other agents magdump on the man.
Latest angles show the gun had been removed and the other agent had enough time to see. Also the suspect was face down on the ground before he was shot in the back.
Homeland Security shares account of fatal shooting
The Department of Homeland Security said federal agents were conducting a "targeted operation" in Minneapolis at 9:05 a.m. Saturday looking for "an illegal alien wanted for violent assault."
"An individual approached U.S. Border Patrol officers with a 9 mm semi-automatic handgun," the agency said in a statement. "The officers attempted to disarm the suspect but the armed suspect violently resisted."
"Fearing for his life and the lives and safety of fellow officers, an agent fired defensive shots," the department's statement continued. "Medics on scene immediately delivered medical aid to the subject but was pronounced dead at the scene."
DHS said the man had two magazines and "no ID" and that more information would be coming.
At this point maybe they should be getting reason(s) to fear for their lives because apparently you can be on the receiving end of nothing but peaceful protests for weeks, hell by now it's many months in places, and still fear for your life.
Also, this is the USA, we are allowed to have guns as civilians (for better or worse). Just being in possession of a firearm should be be a fucking pretense for murder.
ICE is just begging to get shot and they're going to deserve it when it finally does happen.
People said "if you show up armed they wont start shit like this"... Well here you go, that doesnt work at all. If there is no peaceful way to stop them from killing you, then literally the only option left is to shoot them on sight.
Wtf? I was just correcting the person before me that using the word "holding" can be misunderstood. Using the word possession is clearer that he may have had one but not in his hand.
Again... I was just correcting the person before me that using the word "holding" can be misunderstood. Using the word possession is clearer that he may have had one but not in his hand.
Sure but that's not what happened. We see that an ICE agent disarmed him, removed the pistol from his back waistband area while he's on the ground getting beaten and pistol whipped on the head, AND THEN they shot him.
They’ve killed in captivity, had one ruled a homicide by an examiner, publicly executed 2 in front of cameras and so far they’ve managed to at least have their budget increased. At some point something will break.
Edit Removed 'We' from the initial start sentence as I'm dumb and can't type.
It would be a coup at that point. The national guard is commanded by the Governor of the state, but the President can also legally override the governor and take control.
Keep in mind, the only alternative to the Minnesota state government resisting the feds directly is armed, citizen militias, which will be way the fuck more bloody. ICE can possibly be intimidated by the national guard, but especially against citizens, they're not going to just tip their hat and leave.
I will never understand how we can push the second amendment so hard, and then use having a gun as an excuse to kill civilians. Furthermore, I will never understand how the 2A crowd will then also use that excuse as a justifiable reason for someone to be killed by law enforcement.
"No, bro, the way I carry MY gun is totally different. He wasn't doing it right."
Always the passive voice. Even international media is apparently scared to say what we all see clearly from multiple angles on video: ICE grabbed him, wrestled him to the ground, beat him, held him still and unloaded about 10 rounds into him at point blank range.
Whoa whoa whoa. You're missing the most important inflammatory point. He approached them "with a 9mm handgun ^being legally carried and holstered like a responsible gun owner and it had been removed from his possession prior to his murderdefensive shots^".
I bet those Democrats who voted for full funding for this public execution are proud and we should call them up and congratulate them on directly causing another murder of an American citizen.
Representatives Henry Cuellar (Texas), Tom Suozzi (New York), Vicente Gonzalez (Texas), Laura Gillen (New York), Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (Washington), Jared Golden (Maine), and Don Davis (North Carolina).
While we're at it, we should thank Pelosi (California), Clyburn (Worst Carolina), and other DNC leadership bigwigs for personally going to Texas to make sure that the anti-choice, anti-trans, and ridiculously corrupt Cuellar beat his progressive challenger Jessica Sisneros who was winning before they put their thumb on the scale.
Pretty sure "a gunshot is heard and then several more are fired. The man then falls still." is inaccurate. Video shows the man fell still at the first shot. Which means all the others were overkill.
The system will never be on our side. Just like this guy was murdered for exercising constitutional rights, any open resistance will be met with overwhelming force.
It's time to learn from those who have experience fighting a much more powerful enemy.
63 Comments
areakode@riskeratspizza.com · 116 pts · 212d
All I've heard so far is that he "had a gun". Even if this is true, holding a gun is not a crime. This was a fucking execution.
imrighthere@lemmy.ca · 79 pts · 212d
It was in his waistband, at the small of his back. You can see an agent lift his shirt and take the gun, then you hear the first shot. Agent with his gun runs away, other agents magdump on the man.
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 23 pts · 212d
*MAGAdump
Kowowow@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 212d
I bet that idiot got him shot because the rest of them didn't notice it getting taken then freaked out when it was gone
imrighthere@lemmy.ca · 38 pts · 212d
Watch the video, straight up murder, they had already pistolwhipped him, he was done.
Kowowow@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 212d
well ya but I think this comes down to a bunch on undisciplined idiots as well as whatever hate is also there
diabetic_porcupine@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 212d
Did you see them scamper like rats when he fired the shot
Kowowow@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 212d
it's too bad it's attached to a murder because that was honestly funny
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 24 pts · 212d
Latest angles show the gun had been removed and the other agent had enough time to see. Also the suspect was face down on the ground before he was shot in the back.
He was held to the ground and executed
crystalmerchant@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 212d
I watched the video, I can't tell which agent shot the guy
TheseusNow@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 212d
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 212d
Exercising Constitutional rights is now a capital offense in The People’s Republic of MAGAstan.
Free speech? Death.
Free assembly? Death.
Keep or bear arms. Death.
Privacy? Death.
nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 27 pts · 212d
The gun appears to be taken from him before he was shot based on the video screencaps here https://imgur.com/a/ice-taking-victims-holstered-gun-before-shooting-started-NtnH5Hv
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 212d
(source)
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca · 37 pts · 212d
Alex Jeffrey Pretti, 37.
No criminal history. A lawful gun owner with a valid conceal carry permit.
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 23 pts · 212d
An ICU nurse who studied at the University of Minnesota. Brave ICE thugs, boldly murdering poets and nurses.
JHRD1880@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 212d
That pretty much confirms he was innocent and they murdered him.
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 212d
Ah they can fuck off with their fearing for their lives. Cowards, and they need to fear more.
LePoisson@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 212d
At this point maybe they should be getting reason(s) to fear for their lives because apparently you can be on the receiving end of nothing but peaceful protests for weeks, hell by now it's many months in places, and still fear for your life.
Also, this is the USA, we are allowed to have guns as civilians (for better or worse). Just being in possession of a firearm should be be a fucking pretense for murder.
ICE is just begging to get shot and they're going to deserve it when it finally does happen.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 212d
People said "if you show up armed they wont start shit like this"... Well here you go, that doesnt work at all. If there is no peaceful way to stop them from killing you, then literally the only option left is to shoot them on sight.
Bakkoda@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 212d
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · -17 pts · 212d
FancyLad@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 212d
Get fucked, bootlicker.
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 212d
Wtf? I was just correcting the person before me that using the word "holding" can be misunderstood. Using the word possession is clearer that he may have had one but not in his hand.
andros_rex@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 212d
Go fuck yourself, fascist. Don’t speak on shit you don’t know about.
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 212d
Again... I was just correcting the person before me that using the word "holding" can be misunderstood. Using the word possession is clearer that he may have had one but not in his hand.
I am not a fascist, I am 100% against them.
microphone900@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 212d
Sure but that's not what happened. We see that an ICE agent disarmed him, removed the pistol from his back waistband area while he's on the ground getting beaten and pistol whipped on the head, AND THEN they shot him.
AbidanYre@lemmy.world · 88 pts · 212d
Fuck the Whitehouse. Deploy the National Guard to get ICE out of town, Tim.
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 38 pts · 212d
I'm afraid that's what it will take. I'm also afraid that's what will start the next Civil War.
PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 212d
I feel the Feds vs States is on already. The States are just not really responding yet.
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -5 pts · 212d
You're splitting hairs. There haven't been standoffs or shots fired yet. It hasn't started yet. We will all know when it does.
Edit - People: I meant between Minnesota National Guard or Minneapolis Police vs. ICE. Government vs government.
Sorry for the confusion.
lolo@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 212d
NO SHOTS FIRED?!?! FOR FUCK’S SAKE
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 212d
I meant by the National Guard. Sorry.
LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 212d
I think you are the one splitting hairs. ‘Well technically Jo shots have been fired’?
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 212d
Sorry for the confusion. Read my edit.
digitalFatteh@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 212d
They’ve killed in captivity, had one ruled a homicide by an examiner, publicly executed 2 in front of cameras and so far they’ve managed to at least have their budget increased. At some point something will break.
Edit Removed 'We' from the initial start sentence as I'm dumb and can't type.
el_muerte@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 212d
Civil War 2.0 is already under way.
digitalFatteh@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 212d
I’m sure they’ve taken Tim’s stern criticism on board and will begin withdrawing ICE from the state any day now.
AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 212d
What exactly can the National Guard do? Can they be instructed to resist ICE presence? Genuinely asking.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 212d
It would be a coup at that point. The national guard is commanded by the Governor of the state, but the President can also legally override the governor and take control.
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 212d
Yes.
Keep in mind, the only alternative to the Minnesota state government resisting the feds directly is armed, citizen militias, which will be way the fuck more bloody. ICE can possibly be intimidated by the national guard, but especially against citizens, they're not going to just tip their hat and leave.
FatVegan@leminal.space · 2 pts · 212d
Get the terrorists in there to help the people against the nazis
exussum@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 212d
It's a game of chicken. Whomever blinks first loses and starts a further escalation.
Pavidus@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 212d
I will never understand how we can push the second amendment so hard, and then use having a gun as an excuse to kill civilians. Furthermore, I will never understand how the 2A crowd will then also use that excuse as a justifiable reason for someone to be killed by law enforcement.
"No, bro, the way I carry MY gun is totally different. He wasn't doing it right."
andros_rex@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 212d
California started restricting guns when the Black Panthers started exercising their 2A rights..
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 212d
Reagan did that. It's always been the right wing nuts who control what others do.
SARGE@startrek.website · 6 pts · 212d
notwhoyouthink@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 212d
But don’t you see…their 2A fervor ends when applied universally, because they believe it was intended for them to use against their perceived enemies.
Tm12@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 212d
Systemic white supremacy
minorkeys@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 212d
The people who pushed the 2a are in ICE though. "Some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses."
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 212d
"The only moral ___ is my ___" is a template applied to many things by right-wingers. Abortion, gun, healthcare, insurrection...
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 42 pts · 212d
Always the passive voice. Even international media is apparently scared to say what we all see clearly from multiple angles on video: ICE grabbed him, wrestled him to the ground, beat him, held him still and unloaded about 10 rounds into him at point blank range.
meco03211@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 212d
Whoa whoa whoa. You're missing the most important inflammatory point. He approached them "with a 9mm handgun ^being legally carried and holstered like a responsible gun owner and it had been removed from his possession prior to
his murderdefensive shots^".inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 212d
I bet those Democrats who voted for full funding for this public execution are proud and we should call them up and congratulate them on directly causing another murder of an American citizen.
Representatives Henry Cuellar (Texas), Tom Suozzi (New York), Vicente Gonzalez (Texas), Laura Gillen (New York), Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (Washington), Jared Golden (Maine), and Don Davis (North Carolina).
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 212d
While we're at it, we should thank Pelosi (California), Clyburn (Worst Carolina), and other DNC leadership bigwigs for personally going to Texas to make sure that the anti-choice, anti-trans, and ridiculously corrupt Cuellar beat his progressive challenger Jessica Sisneros who was winning before they put their thumb on the scale.
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 212d
Pretty sure "a gunshot is heard and then several more are fired. The man then falls still." is inaccurate. Video shows the man fell still at the first shot. Which means all the others were overkill.
andros_rex@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 212d
And they’re pretending that he was brandishing the gun/had it illegally. Just came out that he had a permit to carry.
That was an execution.
crystalmerchant@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 212d
I watched the video but I cannot tell which agent shot the guy
moopet@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 212d
The first one was overkill.
LePoisson@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 212d
The man was on the ground already when the first shot happened. I call total bullshit on the narrative DHS and ICE are trying to cook up.
OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 212d
This was done one purpose to instill fear of protesting.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 212d
also gauging how far they instigate more violent actions, if no resistance they will keep doing it.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 14 pts · 212d
My fellow Americans,
SHOOT FIRST.
brooke592@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 212d
If possible, do it from where they can't see you.
The system will never be on our side. Just like this guy was murdered for exercising constitutional rights, any open resistance will be met with overwhelming force.
It's time to learn from those who have experience fighting a much more powerful enemy.
6stringringer@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 212d
Nauseatingly, the ICE mentality
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 212d
We need more community defense classes now more than ever. Seriously!