Oil executives are able to get the US government to invade other countries and dismantle functioning public transport, domestic auto sales are a piece of cake.
True, Iraq wars & Venezuela invasion & capture of their leader & his wife, anyone. How many of The USA lives lost & most importantly our species & all other species lives lost & how much the environmental issues like ‘Global Warming’ worse contributed to?
I was thinking that making gas powered automobiles more expensive own-use would only make it so The Rich-Super Rich Economic Classes/Owners are the only ones to own-use gas powered automobiles.
So it would the best just to outright ban gas & gas powered automobiles from being sold in the countries & brought into the countries.
Definitely burning. It is possible to make reusable plastics out of oil, e.g.
Of course, plastics might have their own problems, but they aren't always CO2 emissions.
It seems unlikely we'll be able to completely eliminate plastics (current medical practices is the sticking point I see), tho we can certainly make a more "circular economy" around them, to reduce the need for oil extraction.
Is it the casino's fault the gamblers have such an easy time ruining their life and reaching bankruptcy?
Is it the fault of the celebrity for making such an enticing commercial and being in partnership with the casinos?
Regulation is better than prohibition, it seems like sometimes if you cut off supply, demand means the supplier changes (eg. vapes, gambling)… whereas some things are easily replaced, there’re viable/easier alternatives (eg. coal, types of betting). What is deemed “personal responsibility” in one locale is exploitative in another; capitalist or predatory? It’s not easy
Some gas stations, mostly ones without the store, are closing in saturated areas but most are still there just with charging stations in the lot next to the pumps.
You don't even need to subsidies electric. You just need to tax all carbon and pollution at the actual cost to society.
The only reason petrol is preferred elsewhere is due to the lack of infrastructure. You can get petrol/gas everywhere. Charging your car is less reliable and needs effort to find. While it's not really a problem for most people's driving habits day to day, it's a perceived problem.
As energy prices continue to rise and solar continues to drop, it will become more and more economical to have electric car and solar charging.
It is not just lack of enough infrastructure, but it is more foundational so that The Rich-Super Rich Economic Classes/Owners have members who own oil & gas monopolizing companies.
Yes, that's what subsidies the oil and gas but it's the external expenses to society that are the biggest subsidy. That's what carbon taxes or carbon trading schemes are designed to address. This, the true cost makes oil and gas uneconomical compared to green energy.
It's like Walmart underpaying their workers, so they are entitled to food aid. The tru cost of living is not reflected in their wages. We all end up subsidizing the company instead of them paying their fair share.
I was optimistic for a while that we could be dragged kicking and screaming into the future, and the scary part is that musk made it possible. At this point I don’t expect that news from the us in my lifetime
Yeah but i didnt say that its not progress. Also its pretty fucking annoying when you have two pretty large cities and theres a straight highway connecting them but when you take the train its so bad that its faster to go through sweden. Also you cant tell me that a country with as much money as norway cant build a proper fast train line that goes up north. Theres a straight-ish train line to trondheim from oslo and its still slower than going by car. Also norway being a rich country, they probably(im kinda guessing here) switch cars pretty often, and upfront environmental damage for electric cars is even worse than gasoline ones.
I'm guessing they don't throw the cars into a landfill, they resell them (maybe to other countries) so people who can't afford a new electric car then buy them and reduce the gas consumed even more.
46 Comments
Steve@communick.news · 75 pts · 200d
Isn't this just news, rather than TIL?
Maybe I'm wrong
expatriado@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 200d
reddit.com/r/til has a 3 year minimum, i don't think this community has that rule
FishFace@piefed.social · 31 pts · 200d
Maybe it should
MashedTech@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 199d
Every piece of news is something new I learned today.
Drusas@fedia.io · 50 pts · 200d
This isn't a TIL; it's news.
GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson@piefed.social · 15 pts · 200d
WOW, AWESOME! I bet they do the exact opposite The USA does with benefits for truck & other gas powered automobiles.
Tja@programming.dev · 4 pts · 199d
Oil executives are able to get the US government to invade other countries and dismantle functioning public transport, domestic auto sales are a piece of cake.
GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson@piefed.social · 1 pts · 199d
True, Iraq wars & Venezuela invasion & capture of their leader & his wife, anyone. How many of The USA lives lost & most importantly our species & all other species lives lost & how much the environmental issues like ‘Global Warming’ worse contributed to?
GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson@piefed.social · 1 pts · 200d
I was thinking that making gas powered automobiles more expensive own-use would only make it so The Rich-Super Rich Economic Classes/Owners are the only ones to own-use gas powered automobiles. So it would the best just to outright ban gas & gas powered automobiles from being sold in the countries & brought into the countries.
4am@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 200d
We used to do EV and Solar rebates, until the leadbrained voters decided they wanted more lead apparently
GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson@piefed.social · 4 pts · 200d
Who are the we?
4am@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 199d
The USA
GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson@piefed.social · 1 pts · 199d
So true, but we still give finical rewards for gas powered pickups.
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 200d
UnrepentantAlgebra@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 200d
Most misleading headline ever, wow
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 199d
diesel is popular and common outside the US, only the USA is hellbent on petrol cars.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 199d
And how much oil did they sell?
Tja@programming.dev · 11 pts · 199d
At least 1.
ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 199d
I’m sorry but if you’re drilling and selling massive amounts of oil I don’t care how many electric cars you drive. All that oil’s on you.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 199d
That raises a question... What creates the emissions, the selling or the burning?
bss03@infosec.pub · 6 pts · 199d
Definitely burning. It is possible to make reusable plastics out of oil, e.g.
Of course, plastics might have their own problems, but they aren't always CO2 emissions.
It seems unlikely we'll be able to completely eliminate plastics (current medical practices is the sticking point I see), tho we can certainly make a more "circular economy" around them, to reduce the need for oil extraction.
MashedTech@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 199d
Is it the casino's fault the gamblers have such an easy time ruining their life and reaching bankruptcy? Is it the fault of the celebrity for making such an enticing commercial and being in partnership with the casinos?
ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 199d
Regulation is better than prohibition, it seems like sometimes if you cut off supply, demand means the supplier changes (eg. vapes, gambling)… whereas some things are easily replaced, there’re viable/easier alternatives (eg. coal, types of betting). What is deemed “personal responsibility” in one locale is exploitative in another; capitalist or predatory? It’s not easy
MashedTech@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 199d
Yes, regulation is better than prohibition, but it seems highly unregulated nowadays.
Evotech@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 199d
The oil is sold because there is demand
TheMainIngredient@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 200d
Wow....
How are petrol sales and what the infrastructure look like now? Is there much change there yet?
untorquer@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 199d
Some gas stations, mostly ones without the store, are closing in saturated areas but most are still there just with charging stations in the lot next to the pumps.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 199d
Good god. Imagine not wanting to buy an ICE because you're annoyed how hard it would be to find a place to get patrol.
This is the future.
TheMainIngredient@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 199d
Great! Really appreciate the insight. Very exciting times! :)
Evotech@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 199d
There's still tons of petrol cars. This is obviously just new cars. Not cars in general
TheMainIngredient@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 199d
Of course. Everything that came before naturally still exists :)
Reygle@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 200d
WOW, that's truly amazing. That rate keeps up for long enough, they'll replace almost everything for electric.
Griffus@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 200d
We've been at it for decades and keep going, even if the benefits are being cut back, as the price of petrol keeps rising through taxes.
starlinguk@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 200d
That's what happens when you make it cheaper. Everyone else has dropped subsidies.
hitmyspot@aussie.zone · 6 pts · 200d
You don't even need to subsidies electric. You just need to tax all carbon and pollution at the actual cost to society.
The only reason petrol is preferred elsewhere is due to the lack of infrastructure. You can get petrol/gas everywhere. Charging your car is less reliable and needs effort to find. While it's not really a problem for most people's driving habits day to day, it's a perceived problem.
As energy prices continue to rise and solar continues to drop, it will become more and more economical to have electric car and solar charging.
GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson@piefed.social · 1 pts · 200d
It is not just lack of enough infrastructure, but it is more foundational so that The Rich-Super Rich Economic Classes/Owners have members who own oil & gas monopolizing companies.
hitmyspot@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 200d
Yes, that's what subsidies the oil and gas but it's the external expenses to society that are the biggest subsidy. That's what carbon taxes or carbon trading schemes are designed to address. This, the true cost makes oil and gas uneconomical compared to green energy.
It's like Walmart underpaying their workers, so they are entitled to food aid. The tru cost of living is not reflected in their wages. We all end up subsidizing the company instead of them paying their fair share.
GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson@piefed.social · 2 pts · 200d
Carbon trading schemes are just scams, to avoid paying what they owe.
Other than that we agree on the rest.
AA5B@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 200d
I was optimistic for a while that we could be dragged kicking and screaming into the future, and the scary part is that musk made it possible. At this point I don’t expect that news from the us in my lifetime
AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip · -7 pts · 199d
Okay but 2000 electric cars is still bad because thats 2000 more cars on the road than needed. Almost every car is bad, that includes electric ones.
Tja@programming.dev · 28 pts · 199d
Don't let perfection be the enemy of progress.
Also, in Norway some people live 5km from their nearest neighbor. Oslo has pretty good public transport, I guess most other cities do as well.
AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 199d
Yeah but i didnt say that its not progress. Also its pretty fucking annoying when you have two pretty large cities and theres a straight highway connecting them but when you take the train its so bad that its faster to go through sweden. Also you cant tell me that a country with as much money as norway cant build a proper fast train line that goes up north. Theres a straight-ish train line to trondheim from oslo and its still slower than going by car. Also norway being a rich country, they probably(im kinda guessing here) switch cars pretty often, and upfront environmental damage for electric cars is even worse than gasoline ones.
Tja@programming.dev · 1 pts · 199d
I'm guessing they don't throw the cars into a landfill, they resell them (maybe to other countries) so people who can't afford a new electric car then buy them and reduce the gas consumed even more.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 199d
it's an improvement, not a solution.
macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world · -20 pts · 199d
*gasoline or diesel. You cannot use petrol without refinement.
sonofearth@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 199d
possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 199d
Norway uses benzin
untorquer@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 199d
Bensin if were using the local speak