Germany: Queer referee attacked after viral proposal
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-queer-referee-attacked-after-viral-proposal/a-75888435?mobileApp=true
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-queer-referee-attacked-after-viral-proposal/a-75888435?mobileApp=true
18 Comments
nyankas@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 197d
Although homophobia is definitely a plausible motive here, it's important to know that there are multiple accusations of theft and grifting against this guy.
For example, he managed someone else’s bar, threw his birthday party there, and then vanished, leaving the owner with a bill of almost €6,000. He couldn't even be found by the police. He also never repaid a loan of €3,500 to someone else. By now, about 20 people claim to have been scammed by him. After prosecutors were unable to locate him for quite a while, the investigation is currently ongoing.
He also seems to be quite manipulative, complaining to his followers about not being chosen as a referee for games because of his activism, while actually just not showing up to mandatory training and therefore being unqualified.
(Source; unfortunately German and paywalled)
So, while homophobia might be the reason for this attack, he might also have been beaten up by a victim of his alleged crimes.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 15 pts · 197d
Here is a source (in German) that's currently not paywalled. They don't mention that the police was looking for him, though, it's just an investigation - he even called the police on the day he was attacked because he received threats (the police thought there was no concrete danger and left again).
The FAZ article does add that the bar owner published his address and invited people to "pay him a visit". That does make it seem more likely that the attack was about the alleged fraud instead of his gayness, though it could always be both.
nyankas@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 197d
Thanks for the additional information!
Here's the quote from the paywalled article I was referring to:
Translation:
There has also been another case where there was a civil arrest warrant against K., though that isn't a police matter in Germany:
Translation:
87Six@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 196d
These fucking homophobic headlines are hurting queers so fucking much I bet.
It's never "locally-known terrorist murders child" NO, it's "queer murders child"
Same for race
Same for nationality
Same for profession
Same for financial status
I hate the world
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -8 pts · 196d
Bullshit, they'd then been attacked earlier if homophobia weren't the motive. And this expressly happened AFTER proposal.
Homophobia is never to be tolerated. Fuck off with that apologia.
Gladaed@feddit.org · 8 pts · 196d
Literally isn't apologetic. Just highlights other plausible motives. Their coming out/proposal may just have made it easier to find their whereabouts.
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 2 pts · 196d
It needs to be permissible to entertain the thought that a person who was attacked just happened to be LGBTQIA+ and the attack had other motives, especially if there are reasons to assume other motives. I'd rather live in a country where the police are bound by the law to not jump to conclusions because of what seems obvious at first glance.
Bababasti@feddit.org · 25 pts · 197d
Hmmm, what could it be...?
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 32 pts · 197d
Law enforcement is (should be) held to higher standards in determining motive. They need to show evidence, not simply go on what's likely. As long as there is no direct link between the proposal and the attack, it's circumstantial and "unclear", even if common sense says "well duh".
fonix232@fedia.io · 10 pts · 197d
This.
And it's not just law enforcement, but also the media - basically anyone who has any semblance of authority therefore their words have more power than your average person.
Let's play the hypothesis game. Let's presume that the referee wasn't attacked because he was gay while in public, but rather, someone he had beef with (even unknowingly) saw him on TV, followed him and beat him up. Then once he's caught he could sue the police and the media who published that he beat the referee because he was gay, which would be slander...
I know for many it's weird that criminals get to have rights, but over the past ~250 years we've refined a system that mostly works AND helps the police apprehend criminals at a much higher rate. Sorry fellas but your need to know comes last, the priority is on catching the person or people who did this and serving justice.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 196d
The higher standard is "support LGBTQ+".
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 2 pts · 196d
There is nothing to suggest they're not doing that.
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -4 pts · 197d
Is a mystery why the openly queer guy got attacked right after showing queer love. Truuuueeellyy a mistery /s
ceiphas@feddit.org · 5 pts · 196d
Please read the sources in the other posts...
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 10 pts · 197d
In fucking COLOGNE of all places? Wtf?!
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 197d
Despite it being the most gay and open city. Still 10% vote Nazis. And the "football fans" can come from everywhere
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 197d
"Motivation Unclear" YEAH HMMM I WONDER WHY THE GAY GUY GOT ATTACKED AFTER HE DID GAY STUFF!?
And watch it german media nore the government will say ANYTHING about it. Maybe the media in a side sentence. But besides that NOTHING!
"Hitler attacked poland, build concentration camps and goes strongly agenst jews. His motivation is unclear"
Peter1986C@piefed.europe.pub · 6 pts · 197d
Please check the other posts in this thread for the extra context needed. There is more about the guy than being gay.