I can get that the employer would want to dodge any salary discussion, but not even responsibilities and work culture? Does the position even say what is the job?
"Everything is always on fire and we have no plans to change the systemic causes of this, but we do sometimes get drunk and cheat on our spouses with each other."
No responsibilities in the position description usually means "literally everything is going to roll downhill to your desk whenever someone feels like not doing their work".
Some jobs are "buffer hires" (look it up)
some jobs are "beeing the scapegoat for the real culprit at a higher position", either one wouldnt be really discussed in a regular interview.
when they dont want to discuss important basic things in the interview just pick your favorite one and ask if its such a position, but if you do, plz report how it went.
I do, but that's because I subscribe to hobby newsletters that tend to run long. I wouldn't use a summary button because I want every bit of that content.
In my region, failure to disclose salary on the job description is illegal.
It's a DEI law, since hard salary negotiation supposedly favours one group over another, and for us that's a hard law to fight with a huge compensation cap.
So the employer already comes off as a sleazeball.
That is only ok if the application is for a government job.
Salary? - fixed scheme according to position and years of employment.
Responsibilities? - hahaha no.
Work culture? - Drink Coffee, shoot the shit, sleep at your desk, make life miserable for normal citizens.
I don't know your government, but I once worked in such a job and its mostly not true. Fixed scheme yes, and maybe a bit less responsibilities compared to the private sector. But workload and culture was similar.
Welp, of course every country is different. Here itās mostly: do you have an appointment to file for the form that you need in order to request an appointment at the other government agency? No? * looking around and nobody else is there* well, you need to book an appointment first. * returns to staring blankly into nothing *
You should still be able to ask what the job entails in a general sense. (Like clerical, data analytics, design, etc...) It's usually where the give their spiel such as, "You will be helping to design and roll out a new system that helps focus our resources on what's important; the people."
They may be talking out of their ass, but at least you could glean at a very high level what you'll be doing. (Otherwise a revolving door of dissatisfied hirees could open up)
Even if salary is based on pay grades, there's no guarantee the grade was listed in the job posting. Just asking shouldn't be a disqualifier. The grades aren't necessarily based on years of service, and can have fairly large ranges.
Plus, sometimes the posting is for either a level 1 or level 2 position so you don't necessarily know what they'll classify you as. For instance my previous IT job I had an engineer level position, but my new job put me as level 1.
Hell, I work for a government funded institution and when we interview people salary is one of the first things discussed, because there's no wiggle room. We've already duked it out with HR and that's literally the most we can offer.
It's better to get that out of the way if the amount is going to be a deal breaker rather than wasting everyone's time. Although it's pretty common for people to reject job offers because they never say it's too low before that point.
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y0kai@anarchist.nexus · 243 pts · 195d
Bullet dodged
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 65 pts · 195d
Like fucking Neo.
DaddleDew@lemmy.world · 149 pts · 195d
He got his answers.
Salary: Minimum
Responsibilities: Maximum
Work culture: Toxic
Venator@lemmy.nz · 22 pts · 195d
And that's why you should always ask about those things š
capnbubblebuns@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 195d
So basically every job that exists
Nikelui@lemmy.world · 88 pts · 195d
I can get that the employer would want to dodge any salary discussion, but not even responsibilities and work culture? Does the position even say what is the job?
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 55 pts · 195d
"Come join our ever growing family if you enjoy fast pace work environments and every day being something new to discover!"
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 195d
"Everything is always on fire and we have no plans to change the systemic causes of this, but we do sometimes get drunk and cheat on our spouses with each other."
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 195d
taking notes And how many sleep with you coworker functions are there every year?
village604@adultswim.fan · 4 pts · 194d
At least one each quarter
Coleslaw4145@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 194d
But aren't they're meant to be family?
"Help me step-coworker, I got stuck while using the photocopier"
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 7 pts · 195d
#StrongerTogether
#OneFamily
#PizzaWednesday
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 195d
Tipping their hand that they didn't put at least a ballpark salary range in the listing, meaning they're trying to fuck you.
Mirshe@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 195d
No responsibilities in the position description usually means "literally everything is going to roll downhill to your desk whenever someone feels like not doing their work".
Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 195d
Fun fact: posting a job ad without a salary range isnāt even legal in California for any business that has more than something like 10 employees.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 194d
"Pay? I don't know, what's the least you'll take?"
nqua@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 195d
Some jobs are "buffer hires" (look it up) some jobs are "beeing the scapegoat for the real culprit at a higher position", either one wouldnt be really discussed in a regular interview.
when they dont want to discuss important basic things in the interview just pick your favorite one and ask if its such a position, but if you do, plz report how it went.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 194d
"The job is you do what I tell you, and you do it RIGHT NOW! UNDERSTAND?"
hperrin@lemmy.ca · 55 pts · 195d
Iām just kind of stunned by the āsummarize this emailā button. Itās 3 sentences!
f314@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 195d
Yeah.. I saw this on a technical blog post for developers the other day and almost bust a blood vessel
Skua@kbin.earth · 52 pts · 195d
"Read with my fucking eyes"
18107@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 195d
Can they add a button "understand this for me"? I don't feel like a summary is reducing my effort enough. /s
tempest@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 195d
"get fucked"
kn0wmad1c@programming.dev · 6 pts · 195d
Do people regularly get emails long enough to justify a summary button? I think I've seen those maybe once out every thousand emails I get.
Or is it summarizing the whole thread?
spittingimage@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 195d
I do, but that's because I subscribe to hobby newsletters that tend to run long. I wouldn't use a summary button because I want every bit of that content.
dmention7@midwest.social · 4 pts · 195d
Not regularly, but sometimes I'll come back to work after a few days off, and find one of those threads of 200 emails pinging around chaotically.
In those cases, I'm happy to let Copilot try and figure out what the hell was going on. Worst case it gives me a dogshit summary and I'm no worse off.
village604@adultswim.fan · 1 pts · 194d
Some people do feel the need to write essays for emails.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 44 pts · 195d
In my region, failure to disclose salary on the job description is illegal.
It's a DEI law, since hard salary negotiation supposedly favours one group over another, and for us that's a hard law to fight with a huge compensation cap.
So the employer already comes off as a sleazeball.
Curiousaur@lemmynsfw.com · 23 pts · 195d
Good thing there's a red box around the important part, I almost missed it.
Snowman_sir@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 195d
Ask where the exit to building is. RUN!
Viceversa@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 195d
Cheap rage bait.
CPMSP@midwest.social · 10 pts · 194d
Homie applied to squid game.
Boppel@feddit.org · 6 pts · 195d
sounds professional - is the very opposite. you were lucky
Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 195d
This is fake.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 195d
This is fake/satire... No one is going to tell you cannot ask about responsibilities
JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 195d
SW42@lemmy.world · -18 pts · 195d
That is only ok if the application is for a government job.
Salary? - fixed scheme according to position and years of employment. Responsibilities? - hahaha no. Work culture? - Drink Coffee, shoot the shit, sleep at your desk, make life miserable for normal citizens.
sasquash@sopuli.xyz · 17 pts · 195d
I don't know your government, but I once worked in such a job and its mostly not true. Fixed scheme yes, and maybe a bit less responsibilities compared to the private sector. But workload and culture was similar.
SW42@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 195d
Welp, of course every country is different. Here itās mostly: do you have an appointment to file for the form that you need in order to request an appointment at the other government agency? No? * looking around and nobody else is there* well, you need to book an appointment first. * returns to staring blankly into nothing *
rants_unnecessarily@piefed.social · 9 pts · 195d
It would still be ok to ask about to find that out.
rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 195d
That's not fair, they skim bs emails as a responsibility
SW42@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 195d
I know, I have a semi gov job :)
EtherWhack@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 195d
You should still be able to ask what the job entails in a general sense. (Like clerical, data analytics, design, etc...) It's usually where the give their spiel such as, "You will be helping to design and roll out a new system that helps focus our resources on what's important; the people."
They may be talking out of their ass, but at least you could glean at a very high level what you'll be doing. (Otherwise a revolving door of dissatisfied hirees could open up)
village604@adultswim.fan · 1 pts · 194d
Even if salary is based on pay grades, there's no guarantee the grade was listed in the job posting. Just asking shouldn't be a disqualifier. The grades aren't necessarily based on years of service, and can have fairly large ranges.
Plus, sometimes the posting is for either a level 1 or level 2 position so you don't necessarily know what they'll classify you as. For instance my previous IT job I had an engineer level position, but my new job put me as level 1.
Hell, I work for a government funded institution and when we interview people salary is one of the first things discussed, because there's no wiggle room. We've already duked it out with HR and that's literally the most we can offer.
It's better to get that out of the way if the amount is going to be a deal breaker rather than wasting everyone's time. Although it's pretty common for people to reject job offers because they never say it's too low before that point.