It’s not a photoshop, you too can make the genie guess it’s the bullet that killed Charlie Kirk. The questions leading to the guess were interesting and it felt like there was a bit of a logical leap at the end, but it did in fact guess that, and it does in fact say “we are Charlie Kirk” which is very interesting.
Update: after some 70 questions it could not guess “Alex Pretti’s handgun”, best it could do was generic types of guns. It also ends up repeating questions eventually, which is interesting.
The "we are Charlie Kirk" is just the disambiguation added by the first person to enter this as an answer. In case there are multiple distinct people that share a name, it asks you to enter a little context so other people who guess can verify whether it's the exact same one. You can see this by continuing with someone it doesn't know until it gives up and asks you to enter your answer.
So it's just another player having a laugh, not any kind of statement from the authors.
I tried to do this just now but I got 'crack' and 'underwear' :(
Estrogen ain't that!
another time Akinator seems to ask animal-related questions despite me telling it's an object...
Edit: the English-language one is much better, wow. Question 10, asking about medicine, question 15, "does it have to do with girls?" and 17, dos it produce euphoria?
Whoa, this is good.
Edit: wait, it's actually real what you posted - I got it on question 20.
I tried it for testosterone and only got HRT at question 40, maybe I should retry. My bros need some answers too!
Right? It's better at specific animals. I thought it was really funny that it's better at guessing weird and remarkable things but you can fool it by choosing something boring or multitudinous like a specific kind of beetle.
The image or the flash game Akinator? Akinator is a 20 Questions device that's basically just been hooked up to a fandom wiki. You could buy handheld toys that did the same thing in the 90's just without the the pop culture awareness.
Crazy to find that out. Spent a while messing with the thing again, it adds new answers in almost immediately. Also since a bunch of people started trying to prompt it to suggest Charlie's bullet, it started guessing it often
It hasn't been hooked up to a fandom wiki, it just feels like it. The authors just grinded to create a decent matrix of questions and characters until the product became good enough to be fun, at which point users happily answered irrelevant questions here and there to add to the knowledge. They also had users add new characters and submit questions, snowballing it into a giant "machine-learned" yes/no-question-based knowledge base.
No, it's not a language model. It does not process any language, the question strings are static descriptions of the weighted values.
If Akinator had a language model, it would never ask "is your character a sea animal" after you said No to "is your character an animal" because you've ruled out the bigger set. But it does ask such questions, which means it can't even notice the basic linguistic operation where adding a qualifier creates a subset. It just doesn't know the answer to the broader question for some of the currently most probable characters, just the answer to the narrower, at which point it will ask the latter to rule some out even if it's clear to a human that one implies the other.
You're right. I should have said "neural network" or algorithm or something. I didn't mean to play it up, I mean those are generally more rudimentary than people think they are.
But I think it's backtracking on questions like that because it expects people to give wrongful answers or to change their minds. Also some answers actually require you to give a lead at first then contradict yourself later like that in order to reach. Like "Mary Madeleine's Skull relic" instead of just "a skull"
Yeah, that's definitely part of it. I think it reduces the weights of earlier questions as the game progresses.
Also, it seems to have memory between games: if you answered "yes" to a very specific question, it is way more likely to ask it in the next game. This is because it's hard to think of completely original characters each time: if one's first character was a British politician, the next one is very likely to be British and/or a politician.
It is a kind of fuzzy logic and machine learning system, basically 1970s tech but with lots of user-submitted data. Definitely would be called AI up until like 2010 but the constant evolution of the term because of tech improvement and hype keeps turning once cutting-edge AI into "well yeah, computers can do that".
40 years ago, Akinator would be called AI. Basically a fuzzy logic system that classifies 5-level inputs among millions of characters/animals/objects, with both overt and less-obvious machine learning plus moderation.
That's user-submitted content. Whenever Akinator fails to guess, it asks you to identify the character so it can improve itself, and will have you type its name if it's new. The subtitle is to differentiate characters who have the same name. Example: Monika / President of Doki Doki Literature Club. But some people write jokes there. This one is a real slogan of a movement, but isn't funny and should be removed. The moderators are busy removing overt racism, homophobia and approving characters' avatars though. Still, you can suggest a change of the name/subtitle if you finish the game.
Idk what their stance on genAI is, for example whether they allow generated avatars or if they allow bots to improve the question bank, but they worked well before 2020.
40 Comments
ItzzMe@midwest.social · 33 pts · 201d
haha, funny joke and all, but i’m sure we all know that his neck just did that on its on own
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler /s :::
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 14 pts · 200d
They haven't proven to me yet it doesn't, I mean the guy's face kept getting smaller every time I saw it. Who knows what was going on with his body
kibiz0r@midwest.social · 4 pts · 200d
Need the long-form neck certificate
xxd@discuss.tchncs.de · 28 pts · 200d
For anyone too lazy to try it themselves: the photo is actually real and you can get it as an answer on Akinator
JetpackJackson@feddit.org · 21 pts · 200d
Holy shit
JetpackJackson@feddit.org · 8 pts · 200d
I've never used akinator before lol
howsetheraven@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 200d
Owned. Count Batula from Conker's Bad Fur Day.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 200d
Didn't get Kirk, tried to get estrogen - instead got this.
Did get a question about bisexuality though and I said probably yea - and it gave me Death. I suppose death is bisexual, wooo
Arkhive@piefed.blahaj.zone · 24 pts · 200d
It’s not a photoshop, you too can make the genie guess it’s the bullet that killed Charlie Kirk. The questions leading to the guess were interesting and it felt like there was a bit of a logical leap at the end, but it did in fact guess that, and it does in fact say “we are Charlie Kirk” which is very interesting.
Update: after some 70 questions it could not guess “Alex Pretti’s handgun”, best it could do was generic types of guns. It also ends up repeating questions eventually, which is interesting.
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 11 pts · 200d
Had to go test this for myself. Hilarious. I forget this thing generates new answers from user submissions
PumaStoleMyBluff@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 199d
The "we are Charlie Kirk" is just the disambiguation added by the first person to enter this as an answer. In case there are multiple distinct people that share a name, it asks you to enter a little context so other people who guess can verify whether it's the exact same one. You can see this by continuing with someone it doesn't know until it gives up and asks you to enter your answer.
So it's just another player having a laugh, not any kind of statement from the authors.
Arkhive@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 199d
Ahhh, that makes sense. I figured it was pulling from a fandom or wiki database of some sort. So the inclusion of the line seemed odd.
hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 20 pts · 200d
🏳️⚧️
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 200d
I tried to do this just now but I got 'crack' and 'underwear' :( Estrogen ain't that!
another time Akinator seems to ask animal-related questions despite me telling it's an object...
Edit: the English-language one is much better, wow. Question 10, asking about medicine, question 15, "does it have to do with girls?" and 17, dos it produce euphoria?
Whoa, this is good.
Edit: wait, it's actually real what you posted - I got it on question 20.
I tried it for testosterone and only got HRT at question 40, maybe I should retry. My bros need some answers too!
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 200d
Unironically used Akinator to find porn stars, but it didn't get one :(
LucidNightmare@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 200d
I had a few good tries with Akinator a long time ago now. Glad to see it here, really brings back some memories!
Widdershins@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 200d
Can it get "the hole in charlie kirk's neck"?
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 199d
It can if you get to 80 questions then type it yourself. I just created one for "the unnamed mental patient Batman killed"
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 199d
"Did your casing have 'UwU' written on it"
uncommoncorvid@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 200d
no fucking way, i just tried and it's real lmao
HollowNaught@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 198d
While it did get more general concepts like antibodies and enzymes, it failed to get anything specific like tgf-b1 after 70 questions
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 198d
Right? It's better at specific animals. I thought it was really funny that it's better at guessing weird and remarkable things but you can fool it by choosing something boring or multitudinous like a specific kind of beetle.
tyler@programming.dev · 0 pts · 200d
I do not get this at all. Is it AI generated?
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 22 pts · 200d
The image or the flash game Akinator? Akinator is a 20 Questions device that's basically just been hooked up to a fandom wiki. You could buy handheld toys that did the same thing in the 90's just without the the pop culture awareness.
The image most likely is just a simple photoshop.
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 200d
Almost correct except this is a real answer.
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 200d
Crazy to find that out. Spent a while messing with the thing again, it adds new answers in almost immediately. Also since a bunch of people started trying to prompt it to suggest Charlie's bullet, it started guessing it often
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org · 3 pts · 199d
It hasn't been hooked up to a fandom wiki, it just feels like it. The authors just grinded to create a decent matrix of questions and characters until the product became good enough to be fun, at which point users happily answered irrelevant questions here and there to add to the knowledge. They also had users add new characters and submit questions, snowballing it into a giant "machine-learned" yes/no-question-based knowledge base.
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 199d
Yeah I'm realizing now this is basically a LM but reversed because it asks questions and you give responses. The responses are all value weighted
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org · 3 pts · 199d
No, it's not a language model. It does not process any language, the question strings are static descriptions of the weighted values.
If Akinator had a language model, it would never ask "is your character a sea animal" after you said No to "is your character an animal" because you've ruled out the bigger set. But it does ask such questions, which means it can't even notice the basic linguistic operation where adding a qualifier creates a subset. It just doesn't know the answer to the broader question for some of the currently most probable characters, just the answer to the narrower, at which point it will ask the latter to rule some out even if it's clear to a human that one implies the other.
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 199d
You're right. I should have said "neural network" or algorithm or something. I didn't mean to play it up, I mean those are generally more rudimentary than people think they are.
But I think it's backtracking on questions like that because it expects people to give wrongful answers or to change their minds. Also some answers actually require you to give a lead at first then contradict yourself later like that in order to reach. Like "Mary Madeleine's Skull relic" instead of just "a skull"
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org · 1 pts · 199d
Yeah, that's definitely part of it. I think it reduces the weights of earlier questions as the game progresses.
Also, it seems to have memory between games: if you answered "yes" to a very specific question, it is way more likely to ask it in the next game. This is because it's hard to think of completely original characters each time: if one's first character was a British politician, the next one is very likely to be British and/or a politician.
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 199d
It does! I'm curious if it's using that memory from games with your specific IP address or with other people who played recently
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org · 1 pts · 199d
JetpackJackson@feddit.org · 2 pts · 200d
Oh interesting
tyler@programming.dev · 2 pts · 200d
Ok i completely forgot about that game. I probably played it once. But I was more referring to the very very strange English in the picture.
regdog@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 200d
No AI, just good old programming. Akinator was made long before AI slopified thinking.
HuePony@lemmy.ml · -10 pts · 200d
Isn't it AI in classic means, not generative ai
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org · 3 pts · 199d
It is a kind of fuzzy logic and machine learning system, basically 1970s tech but with lots of user-submitted data. Definitely would be called AI up until like 2010 but the constant evolution of the term because of tech improvement and hype keeps turning once cutting-edge AI into "well yeah, computers can do that".
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org · 9 pts · 200d
40 years ago, Akinator would be called AI. Basically a fuzzy logic system that classifies 5-level inputs among millions of characters/animals/objects, with both overt and less-obvious machine learning plus moderation.
tyler@programming.dev · 0 pts · 200d
I’m referring to the text “we are Charlie kirk”. The sentence makes no sense.
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org · 4 pts · 199d
That's user-submitted content. Whenever Akinator fails to guess, it asks you to identify the character so it can improve itself, and will have you type its name if it's new. The subtitle is to differentiate characters who have the same name. Example: Monika / President of Doki Doki Literature Club. But some people write jokes there. This one is a real slogan of a movement, but isn't funny and should be removed. The moderators are busy removing overt racism, homophobia and approving characters' avatars though. Still, you can suggest a change of the name/subtitle if you finish the game.
Idk what their stance on genAI is, for example whether they allow generated avatars or if they allow bots to improve the question bank, but they worked well before 2020.