This is like hearing “Land Back” and thinking that means deporting all white people. Completely disingenuous and ignorant misreading of an increasingly common phrase.
The fact that many phrases aren’t meant literally, especially as their use increases in frequency, is a frustrating fact. I wouldn’t call people using a phrase with a generally understood meaning is inherently disingenuous though.
The trick is, it's not a commonly used phrase. The chunk of the English speaking world that hears 'Death to America' and thinks 'As peaceful as possible an end to the malign actions of the american government and it's supporters' is tiny. The vast majority of people just hear it as hate, and even a fair sized chunk of the people who are shouting it are shouting it in the literal, hateful sense of 'kill the Americans.' You can't tell which is which without a conversation, and shouting 'death to' is not conducive to letting people have the conversation that would let them tell the difference between a person who wants fewer murders and one who wants more.
Yeah, it's sort of a slogan to some people, but it's a shit slogan. "Free Palestine!" means 'free Palestine.' "End apartheid!' means 'end apartheid.' "Death to america!" is ambiguous, at best, and only serves the interest of the American propaganda wing by letting them claim everyone is out to kill Americans because they are American, making their actions into justified self-defense. Don't help the propagandists. Don't support the narrative. Supporting their narrative is supporting them. I don't think that's what you want.
Again, insisting that people are calling for genocide especially after clarifying the meaning of the phrase is just bad faith at this point. You can argue it’s unclear or bad optics, but it’s not calling for genocide. It’s calling for the end to the systems that produce mass death and exploitation.
Common Sense Business As Usual is when you genocide other countries, pump everybody full of microplastics and collapse the biosphere for imaginary money
Violent extremism is when you want to stop the people doing that
You would deserve it but no, it means death to the concept of the USA, death to the government, death to the constitution, death to the settler colony on stolen land.
all you have done in your life since maturity is attempt to increase the number of stolen labor hours you can accrue from the global south. you are a worthless parasite lacking some of the most important human qualities #yup
That's the kind of thinking I expect out of authoritarians. To punish not only the person but their family and future generations if any of their family. Sins of the fathers kinda shit too. Heh, I doubt they are truly indigenous to the area they live and wonder what indigenous think of them and their ancestors.
Don't be ridiculous. The problem isn't limited to Americans. It would be approximately 14% of the human race. Unless you think sitting on your thumb during a genocide exempts you from being tar-boiled in hell (for some reason)
I'd be curious to know what you would do to stop it if you lived in a country whose government was supporting a genocide. In fact, I wonder what country you live in and what you do to oppose any atrocities its government might be committing.
“I’m just helpless widdle cattle and not complicit in anything!!!” combined with “Your country is a shithole and your existence is meaningless” is sending me. The irony is completely lost on you isn’t it?
46 Comments
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 43 pts · 178d
We are 2 years out from an election and liberals are already telling us to get in line for gruesome Newsom.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 16 pts · 178d
VoTe BlUe No MaTtEr WhO!
DiscoAssBlazer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 178d
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 178d
Every accusation is a confession, etc. etc. lol
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 178d
Literally Brave New Fahrenheit 1984
eldavi@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 178d
not a hijack; a basic understanding of reality.
Achyu@lemmy.sdf.org · 8 pts · 178d
That lemmy instance name
fermionsnotbosons@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 178d
As a Southern Paiute person trying to survive in the imperial core, I approve this message.
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 178d
GhostOfHoxha@lemmy.ml · 19 pts · 178d
This is like hearing “Land Back” and thinking that means deporting all white people. Completely disingenuous and ignorant misreading of an increasingly common phrase.
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world · -12 pts · 178d
GhostOfHoxha@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 178d
The fact that many phrases aren’t meant literally, especially as their use increases in frequency, is a frustrating fact. I wouldn’t call people using a phrase with a generally understood meaning is inherently disingenuous though.
Sunsofold@lemmings.world · -1 pts · 178d
The trick is, it's not a commonly used phrase. The chunk of the English speaking world that hears 'Death to America' and thinks 'As peaceful as possible an end to the malign actions of the american government and it's supporters' is tiny. The vast majority of people just hear it as hate, and even a fair sized chunk of the people who are shouting it are shouting it in the literal, hateful sense of 'kill the Americans.' You can't tell which is which without a conversation, and shouting 'death to' is not conducive to letting people have the conversation that would let them tell the difference between a person who wants fewer murders and one who wants more.
Yeah, it's sort of a slogan to some people, but it's a shit slogan. "Free Palestine!" means 'free Palestine.' "End apartheid!' means 'end apartheid.' "Death to america!" is ambiguous, at best, and only serves the interest of the American propaganda wing by letting them claim everyone is out to kill Americans because they are American, making their actions into justified self-defense. Don't help the propagandists. Don't support the narrative. Supporting their narrative is supporting them. I don't think that's what you want.
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 178d
hamid@crazypeople.online · 7 pts · 178d
DEATH TO THE USA
DEATH TO ISRAEL
DEATH TO THE UK
DEATH TO FRANCE
DEATH TO GERMANY
DEATH TO THE NETHERLANDS
DEATH TO ITALY
DEATH TO ALL IMPERIALIST NATIONS
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 178d
GhostOfHoxha@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 178d
Again, insisting that people are calling for genocide especially after clarifying the meaning of the phrase is just bad faith at this point. You can argue it’s unclear or bad optics, but it’s not calling for genocide. It’s calling for the end to the systems that produce mass death and exploitation.
GhostOfHoxha@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 178d
Doubling down on the permissibility of nationalism for a country that’s committed atrocity after atrocity is a shitty thing to do point blank period
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 178d
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 178d
"How dare you condemn the genocidal imperialist US! Don't you know that I, personally, benefit from it?"
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 178d
Common Sense Business As Usual is when you genocide other countries, pump everybody full of microplastics and collapse the biosphere for imaginary money
Violent extremism is when you want to stop the people doing that
The ideology drips thick as syrup
PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 177d
the meme does say they hate all usamericans
hamid@crazypeople.online · 1 pts · 177d
I hate Germans too
hamid@crazypeople.online · -1 pts · 178d
You would deserve it but no, it means death to the concept of the USA, death to the government, death to the constitution, death to the settler colony on stolen land.
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 178d
mistermodal@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 178d
all you have done in your life since maturity is attempt to increase the number of stolen labor hours you can accrue from the global south. you are a worthless parasite lacking some of the most important human qualities #yup
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 178d
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -4 pts · 178d
Man, people are right, those from .ml have really bad takes.
hamid@crazypeople.online · 5 pts · 178d
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -6 pts · 178d
So useful.
hamid@crazypeople.online · 1 pts · 177d
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -7 pts · 178d
That's the kind of thinking I expect out of authoritarians. To punish not only the person but their family and future generations if any of their family. Sins of the fathers kinda shit too. Heh, I doubt they are truly indigenous to the area they live and wonder what indigenous think of them and their ancestors.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 178d
Last I heard, OP is an anarchist, and is explicitly stating their opposition to the genocidal settler-colonial empire.
hamid@crazypeople.online · 5 pts · 178d
hamid@crazypeople.online · -9 pts · 178d
🙄
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/hyperbole
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 178d
hamid@crazypeople.online · 10 pts · 178d
Don't ever call me brother, you humorless dope. You sensitive yanks are such losers.
Starmancy42@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 178d
jasoman@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 178d
That person in your meme would not want to start fights. /s
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 178d
hamid@crazypeople.online · 5 pts · 178d
jasoman@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 178d
Stop making sense your scaring him sponge Bob.
hamid@crazypeople.online · 2 pts · 178d
🙄
mistermodal@lemmy.ml · -8 pts · 178d
Don't be ridiculous. The problem isn't limited to Americans. It would be approximately 14% of the human race. Unless you think sitting on your thumb during a genocide exempts you from being tar-boiled in hell (for some reason)
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 178d
mistermodal@lemmy.ml · -5 pts · 178d
Indeed, nobody has even been banned from the significant parts of the internet for saying that, and I am completely serious.
If you would please consult the map,
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 178d
mistermodal@lemmy.ml · -5 pts · 178d
Yes, I am being completely sincere. I hope you enjoy our serious debates in the Memes community.
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 178d
mistermodal@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 178d
I'm calling HR dude not cool
humanamerican@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 178d
I'd be curious to know what you would do to stop it if you lived in a country whose government was supporting a genocide. In fact, I wonder what country you live in and what you do to oppose any atrocities its government might be committing.
mistermodal@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 178d
asking me how I intend to stop you from committing genocide seems like bait. pretty obvious answer
humanamerican@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 178d
Ahh, you're a troll. Got it.
mistermodal@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 178d
I see you have failed to adapt since being socialized on Ghislaine Maxwell's favorite website
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 178d
Fuck im stealing thjs
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · -6 pts · 178d
GhostOfHoxha@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 178d
“I’m just helpless widdle cattle and not complicit in anything!!!” combined with “Your country is a shithole and your existence is meaningless” is sending me. The irony is completely lost on you isn’t it?
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · -3 pts · 178d