Get a content blocker that lets you maintain a whitelist of sites that don’t have their content muted and paused by default. I don’t even let YouTube autoplay.
I remember the League of Legends wiki moved away from Fandom to another wiki farm called Weird Gloop (run by the Runescape Wiki people) and the publisher of League of Legends sponsored the move. Fandom's rules say that you are not allowed to destroy the old wiki when you move, so the admins changed the font to Comic Sans on the Fandom wiki.
Weird Gloop are great, the RuneScape wikis are the best there is. They also host the wikis for Minecraft, Balatro, Vampire Survivors, Warframe, Smite 2 and Hytale.
When I played Guild Wars 2 it took me a while to start using the wiki. Once I did though, I noticed they had literally API integration between the wiki and the game. The wiki would track your progress on quests to help you move forward, same with boss rotations and WvW.
I think OP is trying to say that you should host your own wiki using MediaWiki instead of using Fandom. Your comment is like if someone said "You should use a Linux phone to get away from Google and Apple" and you responded with "Android uses Linux".
Your comment is like if someone said “You should use a Linux phone to get away from Google and Apple” and you responded with “Android uses Linux”.
I promise as someone extensively familiar with MediaWiki who even administrates an indie wiki that this comparison makes absolutely no sense, and I think you're reaching to make the OP's meme make any actual sense when it clearly doesn't. If we're reaching into Linux, this is more (still somewhat tenuously) akin to someone telling Ubuntu users that they're not using "real Linux". They lack the language to express Ubuntu's actual problems which really exist and so resort to vacuous gatekeeping instead.
Edit: Actually, the analogy doesn't even get base enough to describe that. It's like a meme where Geordi rejects the Ubuntu logo and accepts the Tux logo, and then under that is the OP trying to argue that Ubuntu isn't a "genuine" operating system.
Definitionally there is, because you called Fandom wikis "non-genuine wikis". "genuine wikis provide a much nicer user experience than Fandom wikis". That's quintessential gatekeeping, and it's incorrect gatekeeping at that, because they provably are.
just a statement of a preference, as a user.
We both agree here. You are correct to want to use platforms other than Fandom. Fandom sucks for editors, sucks for readers, and sucks for fan communities; I could write an essay explaining why. I understand the sentiment behind the meme completely; it's the way it arrives at the sentiment that's totally nonsensical. You've made no coherent point and spread misinformation. You don't have to make a point to express your opinion, but it's clear you tried to.
I promise as someone extensively familiar with MediaWiki who even administrates an indie wiki that this comparison makes absolutely perfect sense, hence why I posted it. And I think you're reaching to make the OP's meme seem to not make sense when it clearly does under the correct interpretation.
Okay, so draw on your expertise(TM) to explain for the class how:
Fandom wikis are "non-genuine" despite them meeting every criterion for one and despite by far the most prolific wiki in history detailing forward and backward how they are wikis.
"Powered by MediaWiki" is representative of indie wikis and not of Fandom wikis to anyone who knows anything about either.
You can't, because both are bullshit, but if you want to act like a clown, here are your unicycle and juggling pins.
"Touch some grass", if anyone else is unfamiliar with the tla. Rather rude, since that is not even slightly clear in the original meme and I appreciated the extra information...
The additional info is not the issue, that I have with this comment, and is instead greatly appreciated.
But the way it is communicated is also somewhat rude.
You are amazing and I hope you never stop being yourself, because it genuinely brings us all here joy to see memes you create. Apologies for sounding rude to you prior
It invalidates your point. You're trying to gatekeep what does and does not constitute a "wiki" while clearly having no idea what that word means. And if you knew Fandom uses MediaWiki, it clearly doesn't show in your meme, because a) Fandom is powered by MediaWiki so it's not mutually exclusive like Geordi implies, and b) like Fandom, most indie wikis in my experience don't use the "Powered by MediaWiki" icon either (just in case you'd go with that bizarre, last-ditch non sequitur of an argument). Your meme is nonsense if Fandom uses MediaWiki, which it does.
As for "genuine wiki", Fandom clearly meets all the points for being one – let alone that it literally uses the de facto wiki software. I'll let Wikipedia speak for this as an expert witness:
A wiki is a form of hypertext publication ✅ on the internet ✅ which is collaboratively edited ✅ and managed by its audience ✅ directly through a web browser. ✅ A typical wiki contains multiple pages ✅ that can either be edited by the public ✅ or limited to use within an organization for maintaining its internal knowledge base. Wikis are powered by wiki software, ✅ also known as wiki engines. Being a form of content management system, these differ from other web-based systems such as blog software or static site generators in that the content is created without any defined owner or leader. ✅ Wikis have little inherent structure, ✅ allowing one to emerge according to the needs of the users. ✅ Wiki engines usually allow content to be written using a lightweight markup language ✅ and sometimes edited with the help of a rich-text editor. ✅
It doesn't seem like you're "well aware" of anything you're talking about except the general (correct) sentiment that Fandom sucks. Fandom sucks for so many reasons that it's legitimately impressive you managed to miss all of them while making this meme. I was being earnestly polite when you told me to touch grass, so since even that is apparently escalatory, I'll just... not.
Breezewiki - This is a private and sans-bullshit frontend for Fandom, written in Racket and created by Cadence Ember (they are also the creator of CloudTube, Bibliogram, and the YouTube Annotation Archive, among other contributions). Indie Wiki Buddy can redirect to Breezewiki if an indie equivalent doesn't exist.
Shout out to guild wars for hosting their wikis on their official site. No ads, lightning fast, and still run by community members. I don't know why more companies don't do it.
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doug@lemmy.today · 85 pts · 168d
Fandom would have those old moving pop up windows if they could/were still a thing.
Egonallanon@feddit.uk · 65 pts · 168d
They basically do with this annoying videos that follow you as you scroll through the page.
cannedtuna@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 168d
Can’t stand those. Auto play, unclosable
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 168d
Get a content blocker that lets you maintain a whitelist of sites that don’t have their content muted and paused by default. I don’t even let YouTube autoplay.
cannedtuna@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 168d
Idk. UBlock doesn’t seem to get them on mobile.
7101334@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 167d
Try Brave Browser.
But better, try not using Fandom lol. Miraheze is my preferred wiki host now.
NateNate60@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 168d
I remember the League of Legends wiki moved away from Fandom to another wiki farm called Weird Gloop (run by the Runescape Wiki people) and the publisher of League of Legends sponsored the move. Fandom's rules say that you are not allowed to destroy the old wiki when you move, so the admins changed the font to Comic Sans on the Fandom wiki.
warm@kbin.earth · 21 pts · 168d
Weird Gloop are great, the RuneScape wikis are the best there is. They also host the wikis for Minecraft, Balatro, Vampire Survivors, Warframe, Smite 2 and Hytale.
Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 168d
When I played Guild Wars 2 it took me a while to start using the wiki. Once I did though, I noticed they had literally API integration between the wiki and the game. The wiki would track your progress on quests to help you move forward, same with boss rotations and WvW.
It was probably the best part of the game
warm@kbin.earth · 4 pts · 167d
You can do this in OSRS with a plugin! It shows, quest progess, collected items, achievements made etc
Granted that should all just be a feature of the official game and website, but it's better than nothing.
huppakee@piefed.social · 1 pts · 167d
Rather have them have an api, so many official websites and apps stop being maintained when the game stops making money
Chezus9247@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 167d
This makes me wanna try GW2 again.
NorthWestWind@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 168d
I remember when the Minecraft wiki moved, people were griefing the fandom pages by replacing all images with a Minecraft donkey.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 168d
Uhhh... OP, Fandom uses MediaWiki. Fandom is terrible for other reasons, and not using MediaWiki anyway wouldn't make you a "non-genuine wiki".
There's a good browser extension called Indie Wiki Buddy that helps redirect you from Fandom to independent fan wikis, which in my experience are almost always better.
NateNate60@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 168d
I think OP is trying to say that you should host your own wiki using MediaWiki instead of using Fandom. Your comment is like if someone said "You should use a Linux phone to get away from Google and Apple" and you responded with "Android uses Linux".
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 168d
I promise as someone extensively familiar with MediaWiki who even administrates an indie wiki that this comparison makes absolutely no sense, and I think you're reaching to make the OP's meme make any actual sense when it clearly doesn't. If we're reaching into Linux, this is more (still somewhat tenuously) akin to someone telling Ubuntu users that they're not using "real Linux". They lack the language to express Ubuntu's actual problems which really exist and so resort to vacuous gatekeeping instead.
Edit: Actually, the analogy doesn't even get base enough to describe that. It's like a meme where Geordi rejects the Ubuntu logo and accepts the Tux logo, and then under that is the OP trying to argue that Ubuntu isn't a "genuine" operating system.
mxeff@feddit.org · 6 pts · 168d
The point of this meme is me/us as the mere users of a website. Not from a hosting or administration perspective.
There is no gatekeeping, just a statement of a preference, as a user.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 168d
Definitionally there is, because you called Fandom wikis "non-genuine wikis". "genuine wikis provide a much nicer user experience than Fandom wikis". That's quintessential gatekeeping, and it's incorrect gatekeeping at that, because they provably are.
We both agree here. You are correct to want to use platforms other than Fandom. Fandom sucks for editors, sucks for readers, and sucks for fan communities; I could write an essay explaining why. I understand the sentiment behind the meme completely; it's the way it arrives at the sentiment that's totally nonsensical. You've made no coherent point and spread misinformation. You don't have to make a point to express your opinion, but it's clear you tried to.
NateNate60@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 167d
I promise as someone extensively familiar with MediaWiki who even administrates an indie wiki that this comparison makes absolutely perfect sense, hence why I posted it. And I think you're reaching to make the OP's meme seem to not make sense when it clearly does under the correct interpretation.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 167d
Okay, so draw on your expertise(TM) to explain for the class how:
You can't, because both are bullshit, but if you want to act like a clown, here are your unicycle and juggling pins.
NateNate60@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 167d
Neither of those are what I interpret the meme to be. I'm not going to argue with you over this because honestly, I don't think it's worth my time.
mxeff@feddit.org · -10 pts · 168d
I am very well aware, that Fandom is based on MediaWiki. That, however, does not weaken my point at all. tsg
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 168d
"Touch some grass", if anyone else is unfamiliar with the tla. Rather rude, since that is not even slightly clear in the original meme and I appreciated the extra information...
mxeff@feddit.org · -4 pts · 168d
The additional info is not the issue, that I have with this comment, and is instead greatly appreciated. But the way it is communicated is also somewhat rude.
BaroqueInMind@piefed.social · 5 pts · 167d
You are here arguing with people defending a meme you found. Look in the mirror when you tell others to touch grass; god damn, twin.
mxeff@feddit.org · 2 pts · 167d
BaroqueInMind@piefed.social · 2 pts · 167d
You are amazing and I hope you never stop being yourself, because it genuinely brings us all here joy to see memes you create. Apologies for sounding rude to you prior
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 168d
It invalidates your point. You're trying to gatekeep what does and does not constitute a "wiki" while clearly having no idea what that word means. And if you knew Fandom uses MediaWiki, it clearly doesn't show in your meme, because a) Fandom is powered by MediaWiki so it's not mutually exclusive like Geordi implies, and b) like Fandom, most indie wikis in my experience don't use the "Powered by MediaWiki" icon either (just in case you'd go with that bizarre, last-ditch non sequitur of an argument). Your meme is nonsense if Fandom uses MediaWiki, which it does.
As for "genuine wiki", Fandom clearly meets all the points for being one – let alone that it literally uses the de facto wiki software. I'll let Wikipedia speak for this as an expert witness:
It doesn't seem like you're "well aware" of anything you're talking about except the general (correct) sentiment that Fandom sucks. Fandom sucks for so many reasons that it's legitimately impressive you managed to miss all of them while making this meme. I was being earnestly polite when you told me to touch grass, so since even that is apparently escalatory, I'll just... not.
mxeff@feddit.org · -5 pts · 168d
Buddy, this is a simple joke.
Nothing more.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 168d
hellfire103@lemmy.ca · 26 pts · 167d
Fandom sucks. Here are two tools you will find useful:
vogi@piefed.social · 13 pts · 168d
This is what reading on there feels like with 90% (on mobile, unironically) screen space used up for ads.
Dropping this here as well, really cool tool.
Do not play Minecraft, but I am so glad they broke free last year or so as well.
Mwa@thelemmy.club · 11 pts · 167d
I always try to avoid the fandom wiki, even if its the sole option.
bricked@feddit.org · 9 pts · 168d
Miraheze is also great if you need it hosted
zewm@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 168d
Man what an unfortunate name. Looks good but hard to remember and pronounce.
cerement@slrpnk.net · 8 pts · 168d
Fandom did such a horrible job with the Path of Exile wiki that the game fans not only rebuilt it elsewhere but got Grinding Gear Games to host it
Chronographs@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 168d
Warframe basically did the same thing, fandom is so insufferable
Paradachshund@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 168d
Shout out to guild wars for hosting their wikis on their official site. No ads, lightning fast, and still run by community members. I don't know why more companies don't do it.
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 167d
Because most companies doesn't even have a wikis on, these are manage and run by fans.
rem26_art@fedia.io · 5 pts · 168d
when the Minecraft wiki moved off of fandom, their new site was so much faster
Wataba@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 168d
Wikia.
Stop validating their illegitimate claim on a word that they have no right to, and thoroughly exploit and degrade with their continued spew.
Wikia.
Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 164d
There's also Ibis, which is a federated wiki ^[1]^.
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