Its funny because I used it to install onto a gaming laptop because everything configs for the laptop nvidia card with no effort on my part. But I don't game on it, lol.
It is remarkably snappy though, fastest feeling OS that has ever been on this laptop.
Edit: first time I mention it and first time it broke. Update today kde is broken with a black screen at login.
Having backups set up for us automatically makes me sweat less when I deal with a pacnew file, and I absolutely fucked SDDM the first time I tried to use diff lmao.
FULL agreement. garuda is the easiest arch based distro and comes with functionally useful features that endeavor lacks, like snapper in grub ootb. also, we love endeavour too.
Not just with their web hosting. I've had so many updates break random crap it's not even funny. Recently, a random update I did not approve suddenly had kwallet not working. A core piece of a DE they provide a bundled version for. I had to start kwalletd myself every time I wanted to use it.
It didn't start that way on the fresh install. I didn't do anything myself except reboot. Then suddenly my scripts that nab from the keystore are failing and asking me for passwords and what a mess.
That's just a more recent example. I remember having quite a few random issues on update in the past, though the only other one I explicitly remember is the DE suddenly failing to start. Like, at all. Luckily I had a recent timeshift backup saved elsewhere, restored, and ignored the update notifications for a long while...
The one thing manjaro had going for it was it was easy install arch. Now we have endeavor, garuda, cachy, and several other easy install arch. Including archinstall. Who all follow vanilla arch much closer, not introducing major breaking changes. There's literally no good reason to still use manjaro.
That said the servo aur is currently broken under catchy. Unable to update for the last couple of weeks. But that's been my only hiccup. And a negligible one at that.
There is a significant amount of infrastructure that does not support cert bot out there.
Example? I believe you, I just can't imagine what would preclude a public-facing server from using Caddy or certbot. Certainly not for a project maintaining an Arch-derivative distribution.
I donāt have a concrete example but Iāve talked to an online friend who works in IT and he claims the majority of his work is just renewing and applying certificates.
Now he made it sound like upper management wanted them to specifically use a certain certificate provider, and I donāt know their exact setup. I of course have mentioned certbot and letsecrypt to him but yea, heās apparently constantly managing certs. Whether thatās due to lack of motivation to automate or upper managements dumb requests idk
Businesses often have reasonable justification for buying certs; a bank might want belts-and-suspenders of having a more rigorous doman ownership process involving IDs and site visits or whatnot. It's a space where cert providers can add value. But for a FOSS project, it's akin to Ć¾em self-hosting at a secure site; it's unnecessarily expensive and can lead to sotuatiokns like Ć¾is.
Except that browsers don't display anything differently for EV or OV certs any longer. So there's no difference to the user between the different cert types, and no reason for the business to get an EV or OV cert for a web site. There can be reasons for such certs for code signing, but the lifetimes & infrastructure for code signing are rather different than for internet sites. Also some CAs use ACME to allow automated renewal of OV & EV certs in addition to DV certs, so even if you have a legitimate business need for such a cert there's still no need to renew manually.
Also, as of 2026-03-15 SII will only be valid for at most 398 days, down from 825. Max TLS cert lifetime will drop from 398 days to 200 days. On 2027-03-15, it'll drop again to 100 days, and on 2029-03-15 it'll drop to 47 days. Even for EV & OV certs. 47 days.
+1. Će landscape is changing and LetsEncrypt's model becomes only more valid. I grant only Ć¾at business cases could be argued for having extra legitimacy of having Ć¾e certifier verify not only be proven to have control of Ć¾e domain, but Ć¾at Ć¾e receiver be additionally verified as representing a registered business. But Ć¾is additional verification is useless if end users can't distinguish Ć¾e certs. Perhaps Ć¾ere's still a case in B2B where connections require a specific, agreed upon, cert root.
Uhm. āA significant amount of infrastructureā? Uhhhm. Put a reverse proxy in front of your webserver? Problem solved? Or use log analyzers? With alerts?
I think he's referring to certain enterprise switches and other networking gear that has basically zero support for automation.
For me personally, I would be replacing that equipment but some businesses would rather pay a few hundred bucks every year + manpower to replace the certs than a few thousand once to replace the equipment.
The only network you're likely to use that actually follows the OSI model is the CAN bus inside a car. And that's starting to get replaced by DoIP, which uses the IP model (link layer, internet layer, transport layer, application layer, note the lack of session & presentation layers and combination of the physical & data-link layers into the link layer).
I am trying to figure out how my little non interesting domains have kept certified for decades now without lapsing, while they can't seem to keep it together even after a failure.
Hard to imagine that they are so big that people simply forgot to get notices or manage the certs after it has happened so many times before.
Iām not aware of any web server thatās still maintained and has wide adoption (so no web servers written by a teenager in Haskell to just fuck around and figure out how web servers work) that doesnāt support the ACME protocol. I highly doubt Manjaro doesnāt use something mainline like nginx.
The renew failing shouldāve sent someone a warning that manual intervention is required. This happens from time to time but the fact this went longer than a few minutes unfortunately says a lot about the project.
At least the sixth time even. Four cases are documented here and another one was just three months ago. This last link points to reddit, but there a manjaro maintainer also explains why it keeps happening:
Politics within the project are the issue.
The fix for these issues have been build for about a year already. But those who have access to stuff like DNS and hosting are currently incapable of making any agreement on any topic preventing trivial fixes such as this from being implemented.
Let's Encrypt has also started offering 7 day certs for people who are confident that they spent more than 5 minutes to setup their cert management lol.
You don't own the root certificate even when you aren't using Let's Encrypt, unless you self sign or want to become a certificate authority. Am I missing something? Is there some controversy about Let's Encrypt I'm unaware of?
I just mean they own it, I know that you can't decrypt encrypted messages with root certificate, but you can abuse it in the case of being man in the middle. Of course I don't think that let's encrypt are doing that, but there other entities that would really enjoy having that toolset for hundred of millions of services that rely on let's encrypt.
And if you look at the ones who sponsor Lets encrypt, I don't think that any of them would bat an eye (except for EFF) if for instance the pedophile chief decided that they need to change leadership. Or hey, we NSA also have access to the credentials to the root certificate.
Something being free is not always the best option, when it comes to security. And it's not impossible that such a large entity can become compromised through pressure, especially when they live on support from private organizations, who have time and time again, shown that they are not trust worthy and would choose to do unethical thing, if that benefits them.
I'm a little confused why you view this as an issue because in the alternative, manually installing certificates instead of using Let's Encrypt's tool, you still wouldn't own the root certificate.
I used Manjaro for a few years before switching to Arch. Manjaro finds a nice sweespot for "Arch but also nice". Furthermore, Arch has gotten much more user friendly in the last 5 years or so. Back in late 2010s, Manjaro was adding a lot of value on top of Arch.
What really bothered me about Manjaro was the "forum cops" they employ, who are super aggressive to newcomers and unhelpful. It was not a nice experience to seek help. Say what you will about Arch people, they are at least helpful.
I finally switched to Arch when I got my new machine. I recommend the same.
Just to add to the 2010s bit, I tried Arch in like... 2015 I think it would've been. I followed the wiki to the letter. It was not my first Linux install, I'd been experimenting with a lot of distros for five years by then. I could not get it to work. To be fair, I still haven't tried Arch in 2026, I use CachyOS, but I think back then Manjaro was really the only thing providing that type of experience. Everyone holds the Arch wiki on a pedestal because it's so useful, but the install guide and state of Arch back in 2015 simply wasn't what it is today. I haven't ever used Manjaro so I can't really speak for it, but that's just sort of my guess as someone who had difficulty with Arch from that era. Luckily we have CachyOS, EndeavorOS, and, presumably, a better install process on vanilla Arch now.
If someone still wants "Arch but also nice," I'd point them at Garuda tbh. I really liked it but the rolling updates kept breaking my NVIDIA drivers. If not for that I might still be using it.
Manjaro differs from Arch in terms of update cycles. They are not rolling like Arch but adhere to some monthly-ish release cycle. Which i love by the way.
Those cycles are meant for testing a coherent set of versions. If you update Arch on a monthly basis I'm not quite sure you got the same testing. I've been running Manjaro for 8 years now (laptop for business and family stuff) and I can't remember any issue with it. I also have Endeavour and Debian on my desktop (gaming / casual) and server.
All you said is factually correct but I never had any issue with aur and Manjaro. It seems the issue is more theoretical than anything. On the other side, there are plenty of situations where I don't want to have frequent 1Gb updates that don't bring many benefits.
I had Debian and was not satisfied with the fact that I had to wait ages for updates of stuff like KDE Plasma. I wanted something with shorter update intervals.
I decided against Ubuntu because of the company behind it.
I decided against Mint, because it's on level 3 in the derivate tree, so more places where something can go wrong.
Then I found Manjaro and liked it from the beginning. Very easy to install (no script necessary), awesome custom Plasma theme, short update intervals, ...
Arch can be scary. I wanted a reliable, easy OS for private use and I knew, I get that with Manjaro. With Arch, I was not sure whether I might FCK something up.
from what ive heard of manjaro, they do less testing on new packages than arch. also, nothing on arch ever broke my pc except for the clock, which was probably because i configured it wrong (didn't use archinstall).
only time an update has ever done anything bad was like a week ago when plasma 6.6 launched and the login freezed the pc, but that was on cachyos, not main arch.
"Why do people buy a car if they can make one themselves" type of argument. I'm a little shocked someone can walk so close to the point and not get it. It's practically stabbing them in their face.
Sure, but the user knowing how to fix something or not wasn't the problem or related to anything you said. It's that you said they seem pointless to you and went on to describe their exact point of existence.
To be very clear, I'm not trying to make an argument for or against Arch derivatives, I just thought it was funny that you said they're pointless because you can customize them when people use them specifically because they don't want to bother with doing those customizations themselves.
I would consider using Endeavor OS because I just want something that can do basic work once it's installed (I use CachyOS which is also an Arch derivative, but it modifies core packages which is different from what you're talking about). Manjaro has separate criticisms, I'm not saying it's "good." I'm just saying it shouldn't be surprising that someone wants to use Arch and wants customization on a bleeding edge, rolling release, but wants a system that isn't quite so minimal once they're done installing.
(I should try to install Arch to a VM or something and use this archinstall script. Because if it works as well as everyone says then my opinion might be different.)
i wouldn't call myself a Linux newbie, and I use CachyOS out of necessity (I have an ASUS laptop), and I'm perfectly content to introduce myself as way too lazy to do it the "proper" Arch way. Maybe someday.
Yeah, I'm not defending Manjaro, they are too sloppy for me to do that. Rather EndeavourOS and CachyOS and similar which either give you a working Arch install with minimal effort or add something that may be of value to Arch. That said, the Manjaro distro itself is pretty good, especially if you swap the unstable repos which mirror the Arch ones. Kind of defeats the point of Manjaro though.
Back in 2015 for gaming PC: Steam and Nvidia driver updates via package manager, Xfce (used it before on multiple laptops), promise to be more stable than vanilla arch.
Xaeg/Yay was the owner of LemmyNSFW, and he had access to and paid for the domain, server, and everything else related to the site. He has been AWOL for about 6 months now, and suddenly this month, the server and the domain stopped being paid for. I have no access to the server to get the database.
Because of this LemmyNSFW as it was, and all the content on it, much to my dismay, seems to have died.
No. It's absurdly easy. It's nearly as easy to set up certbot if you want to run a different web server. Ćere's really no reason for any FOSS project to have expired certs anymore.
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HouseWolf@pawb.social · 248 pts · 170d
Purple Arch has yet to fail me.
apftwb@lemmy.world · 92 pts · 169d
I made this for you.
Obnomus@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 169d
I'm stealing that. Thanks.
mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 169d
I made this about you
apftwb@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 169d
But... I did make this. I used an online meme generator. š¢
mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 168d
(Me too lmao)
But I mean the actual meme is pretty old one(so is the meme I made)
irate944@piefed.social · 81 pts · 170d
Iām a simple man. I see endeavour OS, I like
cygnus@lemmy.ca · 38 pts · 170d
I enjoyed my time with EOS but it had annoying bugs on my Thinkpad that I haven't had with CachyOS in a year+ of using it.
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip · 25 pts · 170d
Yeah, I am the same. CachyOS has been working better for me.
motruck@lemmy.zip · 19 pts · 170d
Cachy gang what what.
cygnus@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 170d
I just wish it had a better name...
Sammy@infosec.pub · 32 pts · 170d
I dunno I think it's ( Ķ”Ā° ĶŹ Ķ”Ā° )... Cachy
ExtremeUnicorn@feddit.org · 3 pts · 169d
Like the Japanese fruit?
MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 154d
cygnus@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 154d
Yes, same energy.
bhamlin@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 169d
"I game, btw" Arch
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 169d
Its funny because I used it to install onto a gaming laptop because everything configs for the laptop nvidia card with no effort on my part. But I don't game on it, lol.
It is remarkably snappy though, fastest feeling OS that has ever been on this laptop.
Edit: first time I mention it and first time it broke. Update today kde is broken with a black screen at login.
bhamlin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 169d
I personally like it too. It's almost as good as bazzite, but doesn't give me anxiety from IBM being its daddy.
BurgerBaron@piefed.social · 4 pts · 169d
Having backups set up for us automatically makes me sweat less when I deal with a pacnew file, and I absolutely fucked SDDM the first time I tried to use diff lmao.
RipLemmDotEE@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 169d
Garuda Arch has been my favorite, but Endeavor did me right for a while.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 169d
Rani should be mandatory software for all distributions.
texture@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 169d
FULL agreement. garuda is the easiest arch based distro and comes with functionally useful features that endeavor lacks, like snapper in grub ootb. also, we love endeavour too.
EponymousBosh@awful.systems · 1 pts · 169d
I really loved Garuda but the rolling updates kept breaking my NVIDIA drivers :(
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world · 182 pts · 170d
It kind of makes it hard to trust this distro when they fuck up the most basic things so often and frequently.
LurkingLuddite@piefed.social · 54 pts · 170d
Not just with their web hosting. I've had so many updates break random crap it's not even funny. Recently, a random update I did not approve suddenly had kwallet not working. A core piece of a DE they provide a bundled version for. I had to start kwalletd myself every time I wanted to use it.
It didn't start that way on the fresh install. I didn't do anything myself except reboot. Then suddenly my scripts that nab from the keystore are failing and asking me for passwords and what a mess.
That's just a more recent example. I remember having quite a few random issues on update in the past, though the only other one I explicitly remember is the DE suddenly failing to start. Like, at all. Luckily I had a recent timeshift backup saved elsewhere, restored, and ignored the update notifications for a long while...
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 169d
Yeah Manjaro either needs to figure their shit out or everybody should stop using it.
Eldritch@piefed.world · 26 pts · 169d
The one thing manjaro had going for it was it was easy install arch. Now we have endeavor, garuda, cachy, and several other easy install arch. Including archinstall. Who all follow vanilla arch much closer, not introducing major breaking changes. There's literally no good reason to still use manjaro.
That said the servo aur is currently broken under catchy. Unable to update for the last couple of weeks. But that's been my only hiccup. And a negligible one at that.
eli@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 169d
I tried it out like 5 years ago. A month after using it a random update broke the DE.
Right then and there I wrote off the whole distro and haven't touched it since.
I don't know why people are even using it all these years later.
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 14 pts · 169d
At this point, I have to assume they're doing it on purpose.
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip · 118 pts · 170d
Wow. How does this happen when letsencrypt exists? Or certbot?
More importantly.. How does this happen again?
slazer2au@lemmy.world · 58 pts · 170d
There is a significant amount of infrastructure that does not support cert bot out there.
That being said they are using LE but looks like the renew failed.
https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=manjaro.org&s=116.203.91.91&latest=
Sxan@piefed.zip · 29 pts · 170d
Example? I believe you, I just can't imagine what would preclude a public-facing server from using Caddy or certbot. Certainly not for a project maintaining an Arch-derivative distribution.
lankydryness@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 170d
I donāt have a concrete example but Iāve talked to an online friend who works in IT and he claims the majority of his work is just renewing and applying certificates. Now he made it sound like upper management wanted them to specifically use a certain certificate provider, and I donāt know their exact setup. I of course have mentioned certbot and letsecrypt to him but yea, heās apparently constantly managing certs. Whether thatās due to lack of motivation to automate or upper managements dumb requests idk
RobotToaster@mander.xyz · 20 pts · 170d
LetsEncrypt only does level one (domain validated certificates), it doesn't offer organisation or extended validation.
Basically they only prove you control example.com, they don't prove you are example PLC.
Eufalconimorph@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 168d
OV & EV also don't prove that you're the expected business with a given name. E.g. the incident where Ian Carroll registered a local business named "Stripe, Inc." and got an EV cert for it. Which was entirely valid, despite being the name of a payment processor. Business names aren't globally unique.
Sxan@piefed.zip · 0 pts · 169d
Businesses often have reasonable justification for buying certs; a bank might want belts-and-suspenders of having a more rigorous doman ownership process involving IDs and site visits or whatnot. It's a space where cert providers can add value. But for a FOSS project, it's akin to Ć¾em self-hosting at a secure site; it's unnecessarily expensive and can lead to sotuatiokns like Ć¾is.
Eufalconimorph@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 168d
Except that browsers don't display anything differently for EV or OV certs any longer. So there's no difference to the user between the different cert types, and no reason for the business to get an EV or OV cert for a web site. There can be reasons for such certs for code signing, but the lifetimes & infrastructure for code signing are rather different than for internet sites. Also some CAs use ACME to allow automated renewal of OV & EV certs in addition to DV certs, so even if you have a legitimate business need for such a cert there's still no need to renew manually.
Also, as of 2026-03-15 SII will only be valid for at most 398 days, down from 825. Max TLS cert lifetime will drop from 398 days to 200 days. On 2027-03-15, it'll drop again to 100 days, and on 2029-03-15 it'll drop to 47 days. Even for EV & OV certs. 47 days.
Sxan@piefed.zip · -2 pts · 166d
+1. Će landscape is changing and LetsEncrypt's model becomes only more valid. I grant only Ć¾at business cases could be argued for having extra legitimacy of having Ć¾e certifier verify not only be proven to have control of Ć¾e domain, but Ć¾at Ć¾e receiver be additionally verified as representing a registered business. But Ć¾is additional verification is useless if end users can't distinguish Ć¾e certs. Perhaps Ć¾ere's still a case in B2B where connections require a specific, agreed upon, cert root.
zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 20 pts · 170d
Uhm. āA significant amount of infrastructureā? Uhhhm. Put a reverse proxy in front of your webserver? Problem solved? Or use log analyzers? With alerts?
There is literally no excuse.
Kushan@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 169d
I think he's referring to certain enterprise switches and other networking gear that has basically zero support for automation.
For me personally, I would be replacing that equipment but some businesses would rather pay a few hundred bucks every year + manpower to replace the certs than a few thousand once to replace the equipment.
cole@lemdro.id · 8 pts · 169d
...you don't need your networking gear to support this in any way
glibg10b@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 169d
Yeah, this is about 5 layers above that in the OSI model
Eufalconimorph@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 168d
The only network you're likely to use that actually follows the OSI model is the CAN bus inside a car. And that's starting to get replaced by DoIP, which uses the IP model (link layer, internet layer, transport layer, application layer, note the lack of session & presentation layers and combination of the physical & data-link layers into the link layer).
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip · 19 pts · 170d
I am trying to figure out how my little non interesting domains have kept certified for decades now without lapsing, while they can't seem to keep it together even after a failure.
Hard to imagine that they are so big that people simply forgot to get notices or manage the certs after it has happened so many times before.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 170d
Then there should be a significant amount of infrastructure behind something like caddy.
CriticalMiss@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 169d
Iām not aware of any web server thatās still maintained and has wide adoption (so no web servers written by a teenager in Haskell to just fuck around and figure out how web servers work) that doesnāt support the ACME protocol. I highly doubt Manjaro doesnāt use something mainline like nginx.
The renew failing shouldāve sent someone a warning that manual intervention is required. This happens from time to time but the fact this went longer than a few minutes unfortunately says a lot about the project.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 169d
Skill issue
UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 169d
*again again
halendos@lemmy.world · 69 pts · 170d
At this point is more of a tradition...
_cnt0@sh.itjust.works · 63 pts · 169d
Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de · 48 pts · 170d
This is at least the third time, how do they even manage to fail that
angel@sopuli.xyz · 55 pts · 170d
At least the sixth time even. Four cases are documented here and another one was just three months ago. This last link points to reddit, but there a manjaro maintainer also explains why it keeps happening:
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 43 pts · 169d
Let's Encrypt's free and automatic certificate management has been around since November 16th, 2015, by the way.
mlg@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 168d
Let's Encrypt has also started offering 7 day certs for people who are confident that they spent more than 5 minutes to setup their cert management lol.
slowcakes@programming.dev · 2 pts · 168d
And who owns the root certificate?
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 3 pts · 168d
You don't own the root certificate even when you aren't using Let's Encrypt, unless you self sign or want to become a certificate authority. Am I missing something? Is there some controversy about Let's Encrypt I'm unaware of?
slowcakes@programming.dev · 1 pts · 167d
I just mean they own it, I know that you can't decrypt encrypted messages with root certificate, but you can abuse it in the case of being man in the middle. Of course I don't think that let's encrypt are doing that, but there other entities that would really enjoy having that toolset for hundred of millions of services that rely on let's encrypt.
And if you look at the ones who sponsor Lets encrypt, I don't think that any of them would bat an eye (except for EFF) if for instance the pedophile chief decided that they need to change leadership. Or hey, we NSA also have access to the credentials to the root certificate.
Something being free is not always the best option, when it comes to security. And it's not impossible that such a large entity can become compromised through pressure, especially when they live on support from private organizations, who have time and time again, shown that they are not trust worthy and would choose to do unethical thing, if that benefits them.
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 1 pts · 167d
I'm a little confused why you view this as an issue because in the alternative, manually installing certificates instead of using Let's Encrypt's tool, you still wouldn't own the root certificate.
spez@sh.itjust.works · 32 pts · 170d
sonofearth@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 169d
herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml · 21 pts · 169d
I used Manjaro for a few years before switching to Arch. Manjaro finds a nice sweespot for "Arch but also nice". Furthermore, Arch has gotten much more user friendly in the last 5 years or so. Back in late 2010s, Manjaro was adding a lot of value on top of Arch.
What really bothered me about Manjaro was the "forum cops" they employ, who are super aggressive to newcomers and unhelpful. It was not a nice experience to seek help. Say what you will about Arch people, they are at least helpful.
I finally switched to Arch when I got my new machine. I recommend the same.
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 4 pts · 169d
Just to add to the 2010s bit, I tried Arch in like... 2015 I think it would've been. I followed the wiki to the letter. It was not my first Linux install, I'd been experimenting with a lot of distros for five years by then. I could not get it to work. To be fair, I still haven't tried Arch in 2026, I use CachyOS, but I think back then Manjaro was really the only thing providing that type of experience. Everyone holds the Arch wiki on a pedestal because it's so useful, but the install guide and state of Arch back in 2015 simply wasn't what it is today. I haven't ever used Manjaro so I can't really speak for it, but that's just sort of my guess as someone who had difficulty with Arch from that era. Luckily we have CachyOS, EndeavorOS, and, presumably, a better install process on vanilla Arch now.
EponymousBosh@awful.systems · 2 pts · 169d
If someone still wants "Arch but also nice," I'd point them at Garuda tbh. I really liked it but the rolling updates kept breaking my NVIDIA drivers. If not for that I might still be using it.
rhubarbe@tarte.nuage-libre.fr · 3 pts · 169d
Manjaro differs from Arch in terms of update cycles. They are not rolling like Arch but adhere to some monthly-ish release cycle. Which i love by the way.
sonofearth@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 169d
rhubarbe@tarte.nuage-libre.fr · 3 pts · 169d
Those cycles are meant for testing a coherent set of versions. If you update Arch on a monthly basis I'm not quite sure you got the same testing. I've been running Manjaro for 8 years now (laptop for business and family stuff) and I can't remember any issue with it. I also have Endeavour and Debian on my desktop (gaming / casual) and server.
sonofearth@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 169d
Liketearsinrain@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 169d
rhubarbe@tarte.nuage-libre.fr · 1 pts · 169d
All you said is factually correct but I never had any issue with aur and Manjaro. It seems the issue is more theoretical than anything. On the other side, there are plenty of situations where I don't want to have frequent 1Gb updates that don't bring many benefits.
lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 169d
My thinking process years ago was:
I had Debian and was not satisfied with the fact that I had to wait ages for updates of stuff like KDE Plasma. I wanted something with shorter update intervals.
I decided against Ubuntu because of the company behind it.
I decided against Mint, because it's on level 3 in the derivate tree, so more places where something can go wrong.
Then I found Manjaro and liked it from the beginning. Very easy to install (no script necessary), awesome custom Plasma theme, short update intervals, ...
Arch can be scary. I wanted a reliable, easy OS for private use and I knew, I get that with Manjaro. With Arch, I was not sure whether I might FCK something up.
festnt@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 169d
from what ive heard of manjaro, they do less testing on new packages than arch. also, nothing on arch ever broke my pc except for the clock, which was probably because i configured it wrong (didn't use archinstall).
only time an update has ever done anything bad was like a week ago when plasma 6.6 launched and the login freezed the pc, but that was on cachyos, not main arch.
lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 169d
I think, I haven't had any mentionable problem with Manjaro over multiple years.
sonofearth@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 169d
MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 169d
There's the difference, you don't have to set the derivative up.
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 4 pts · 169d
"Why do people buy a car if they can make one themselves" type of argument. I'm a little shocked someone can walk so close to the point and not get it. It's practically stabbing them in their face.
sonofearth@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 169d
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 2 pts · 169d
Sure, but the user knowing how to fix something or not wasn't the problem or related to anything you said. It's that you said they seem pointless to you and went on to describe their exact point of existence.
To be very clear, I'm not trying to make an argument for or against Arch derivatives, I just thought it was funny that you said they're pointless because you can customize them when people use them specifically because they don't want to bother with doing those customizations themselves.
I would consider using Endeavor OS because I just want something that can do basic work once it's installed (I use CachyOS which is also an Arch derivative, but it modifies core packages which is different from what you're talking about). Manjaro has separate criticisms, I'm not saying it's "good." I'm just saying it shouldn't be surprising that someone wants to use Arch and wants customization on a bleeding edge, rolling release, but wants a system that isn't quite so minimal once they're done installing.
(I should try to install Arch to a VM or something and use this archinstall script. Because if it works as well as everyone says then my opinion might be different.)
sonofearth@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 169d
Churlish_Witness@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 169d
i wouldn't call myself a Linux newbie, and I use CachyOS out of necessity (I have an ASUS laptop), and I'm perfectly content to introduce myself as way too lazy to do it the "proper" Arch way. Maybe someday.
sonofearth@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 168d
MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 168d
Yeah, I'm not defending Manjaro, they are too sloppy for me to do that. Rather EndeavourOS and CachyOS and similar which either give you a working Arch install with minimal effort or add something that may be of value to Arch. That said, the Manjaro distro itself is pretty good, especially if you swap the unstable repos which mirror the Arch ones. Kind of defeats the point of Manjaro though.
someonesmall@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 168d
Back in 2015 for gaming PC: Steam and Nvidia driver updates via package manager, Xfce (used it before on multiple laptops), promise to be more stable than vanilla arch.
Wulff@sh.itjust.works · 26 pts · 169d
Well shit... It looks like they were on a good run too.
https://manjarno.pages.dev/
p0358@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 169d
Nah the page is outdated, I saw on Reddit they also forgot about certs 77 days ago already
savvywolf@pawb.social · 25 pts · 169d
It's still technically automaton if your workflow depends on people poking you when things break.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 169d
I wouldn't go that far
thagoat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 24 pts · 170d
Systemd will auto renew an LE cert.
Maddier1993@programming.dev · 35 pts · 170d
With how it's going, Will systemd also eventually be able to occasionally remind my Asian ass that I am a failure?
cygnus@lemmy.ca · 31 pts · 170d
I thought that's what your parents are for?
thagoat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 26 pts · 170d
Have a look at systemd timers š¤£š¤£
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 169d
What?
Redstone1@lemmings.world · 23 pts · 170d
AGAIN?!
Hupf@feddit.org · 22 pts · 169d
Oh no, first lemmynsfw.com and now this
festnt@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 169d
wait what happened to lemmynsfw
rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 169d
As posted at this new instance which appears to be trying to fill the void (heh) left by lemmyNSFW:
Shave_MyBeever@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 169d
If they were in the US then they might be in š§ custody
thermal_shock@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 169d
Damn. Fuck ice. In general, not for potentially being related to this.
lime@feddit.nu · 12 pts · 169d
the only admin disappeared and the bills stopped getting paid, apparently
anas@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 169d
itās no more more
Hupf@feddit.org · 4 pts · 169d
I wouldn't know, never visited the place š¤
bhamlin@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 169d
To be fair it's about to get even worse with the much smaller max validity periods.
Evotech@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 169d
Either that or they actually automate it
qaz@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 169d
I doubt it considering this is like the third time already
texture@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 169d
i think the number is higher than 3
parzival@lemmy.org · 10 pts · 169d
I believe this makes 6 right?Ā
CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 169d
Third time?
This is the ninth time. Including certs for their repos and forums.
RiQuY@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 170d
Is it so difficult to setup a Caddy with auto ssl?
Sxan@piefed.zip · 11 pts · 170d
No. It's absurdly easy. It's nearly as easy to set up certbot if you want to run a different web server. Ćere's really no reason for any FOSS project to have expired certs anymore.
m3t00@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 169d
unauthorized end-to-end encryption.
statelesz@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 169d
I had Manjaro break more often in the year I've used it that Arch in the past 5..
Dialectical_Specialist@quokk.au · 6 pts · 170d
install gentoo
UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 169d
Heh
Agility0971@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 164d
No way
spez@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 170d
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 169d
Manjaro has always seemed a little iffy to me. Itās a . . . clone of a Chinese distro? Or something? I dunno.
spez@sh.itjust.works · -8 pts · 170d
https://manjaro.org/ now is now for sale! Shit
doeknius_gloek@discuss.tchncs.de · 30 pts · 170d
It helps to type the url correctly
spez@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 163d
1 AM sorry š
mittorn@masturbated.one · 0 pts · 170d
@spez @qaz
>country not allowed
not a great loss...