Don't recommend that community, it's full of trolls who outright harass people members on our instance, many people have already been harassed by them (me included) including literal death threats. People can have their own opinions, and for the record I agree with them that corporate AI companies suck and are doing more harm than good, even for the AI space and AI development in general, but brigading spaces, harassing moderators, or even impersonating mods and users who use AI is not the way to fight the problems related to corporate AI or misuse of AI in general.
I have and will do so for any more who come up. Thankfully outside of some vote manipulation accounts (which I banned quickly from all my communities) there haven't been any attacks from the Fuck_AI crowd as of late.
I'll shed some light on the nature of the harassment, they were making fun of one of the mods for being a recovering alcoholic (they literally encouraged that mod to get drunk and kill themselves), they impersonated the mod and acted stupid. They made a lot of spam accounts and posted porn in threads discussing the mod. Many people also harassed me as well in my DMs (porn, death threats, the works). Absolutely inexcusable.
But there is no ethical use of AI.
Let's be very clear here. dbzer0 is anti intellectual property. We do not support IP laws or arguments here, they and their apologists are seen as liberal garbage here. So any of the arguments about plagarism or "sTEAliNg aRT" are not only invalid arguments here, they are not respected by this community, and people here will laugh at you (and probably ban you) for spouting such liberal nonsense in a leftist space. It is baffling how many people come to dbzer0 with these arguments when it's written on our front page that we are leftist-anarchist and fundamentally against intellectual proptery.
Arguments about power and water usage are valid concerns if we're talking about openAI or datacenters. However on dbzer0 people almost exclusively use their own hardware (their own GPUs) or they use computing power from volunteers. That's to say they use consumer hardware. So the environment arguments don't work here. Unless you also believe gaming is hurting the environment, and that we should all conserve our computing power.
Me, @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com and many others have had these arguments often, and no one has presented any other compelling reasons beyond:
Also if you must use it, use open source models and either run them yourself on your own GPU, or use something like AI horde where others use their own GPUs.
The guy did a coup and suffered no consequences, and showed everyone that he is above the law over anv over, why do you think he fears consequences for the Epstein files?
There's a long list of reasons why he attacked Iran and most of them are not distractions (although I do agree one of the reasons is to distract from domestic crises in general, Epstein being the least of his domestic worries atm, he's above the law already).
This is a textbook US imperialist move, coordinated with Israel, to address imperial issues that existed long before the Epstein files were a mainstream story: maintaining US hegemony and securing israeli military dominance in the region, preventing Iran from becoming a regional pole aligned with Cihna, trying to open iranian markets to western capital, and projecting military strength to make the military-industrial complex side of his political supporters happy. Those goals have been discussed in US policy circles for decades, and happened now not because of the Epstein files, but because of the timing: Iran is going through an internal political crisis that is ripe for imperial exploitation.
If anything, seeing a distraction from the Epstein files in everything Trump does is the distraction from what he is actually doing.
Flattening the analysis to "Epstein distraction" when the topic actually matters to leftist internationalism around the world is some lazy memerot-brained liberal shit straight out of Gavin Newsom's twitter. He doesn't need to bother with distractions thanks to you and others who are doing it for him by seeing Epstein in everything. The mountain hidden behind the Epstein files hill is that he seized so much power that he doesn't need to fear justice anymore, and is now trying to mess with future elections to keep that power. People are in denial about how much control he has already seized. Epstein files won't matter until he is removed from power.
The neoliberals bitching and complaining about AI in these comments are also distracting from the Epstein files and the Genocide going on in the middle east. It is shameful that they are doing this in a leftist space.
Nope, Promoting Pro-IP sentiment and using bad faith arguments is antithetical to real leftism. Whether you like it or not. Liberals love to larp as leftists and maybe even consider themselves leftists until they are hit with the realization that leftists are against something they believe strongly in (like IP laws, or weird lies or generalizations that do not apply to all things).
To distract from Oracle buying out MediCare/MedicAid, getting a monopoly on data gathering and storage. They now have it all, can link it, cross refrence it and decide, if youll get your “rights” or not, judging by your online posts, history, economical background etc…
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BennyTheExplorer@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 175d
Tiresia@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 175d
Five@slrpnk.net · 8 pts · 175d
tae_glas@slrpnk.net · 10 pts · 175d
Five@slrpnk.net · 17 pts · 175d
Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 175d
Don't recommend that community, it's full of trolls who outright harass people members on our instance, many people have already been harassed by them (me included) including literal death threats. People can have their own opinions, and for the record I agree with them that corporate AI companies suck and are doing more harm than good, even for the AI space and AI development in general, but brigading spaces, harassing moderators, or even impersonating mods and users who use AI is not the way to fight the problems related to corporate AI or misuse of AI in general.
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 174d
please report those trolls. i've been banning them when those reports come into my mod feed. non-participation is acceptable. brigading is not.
Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 174d
I have and will do so for any more who come up. Thankfully outside of some vote manipulation accounts (which I banned quickly from all my communities) there haven't been any attacks from the Fuck_AI crowd as of late.
JunoAroa@programming.dev · 1 pts · 172d
cloudskater@piefed.blahaj.zone · -2 pts · 175d
Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 175d
I'll shed some light on the nature of the harassment, they were making fun of one of the mods for being a recovering alcoholic (they literally encouraged that mod to get drunk and kill themselves), they impersonated the mod and acted stupid. They made a lot of spam accounts and posted porn in threads discussing the mod. Many people also harassed me as well in my DMs (porn, death threats, the works). Absolutely inexcusable.
Let's be very clear here. dbzer0 is anti intellectual property. We do not support IP laws or arguments here, they and their apologists are seen as liberal garbage here. So any of the arguments about plagarism or "sTEAliNg aRT" are not only invalid arguments here, they are not respected by this community, and people here will laugh at you (and probably ban you) for spouting such liberal nonsense in a leftist space. It is baffling how many people come to dbzer0 with these arguments when it's written on our front page that we are leftist-anarchist and fundamentally against intellectual proptery.
Arguments about power and water usage are valid concerns if we're talking about openAI or datacenters. However on dbzer0 people almost exclusively use their own hardware (their own GPUs) or they use computing power from volunteers. That's to say they use consumer hardware. So the environment arguments don't work here. Unless you also believe gaming is hurting the environment, and that we should all conserve our computing power.
Me, @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com and many others have had these arguments often, and no one has presented any other compelling reasons beyond:
Delilah@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 175d
Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 175d
Also if you must use it, use open source models and either run them yourself on your own GPU, or use something like AI horde where others use their own GPUs.
JunoAroa@programming.dev · 1 pts · 172d
cAUzapNEAGLb@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 175d
shittydwarf@sh.itjust.works · 25 pts · 175d
To distract from our
incompetenceEpstein filesBad@jlai.lu · 10 pts · 175d
The guy did a coup and suffered no consequences, and showed everyone that he is above the law over anv over, why do you think he fears consequences for the Epstein files?
Not everything is a distraction.
kmartburrito@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 175d
His goal is to sow and spread chaos at all times. Distraction and fatigue is part of the design
Bad@jlai.lu · 13 pts · 175d
There's a long list of reasons why he attacked Iran and most of them are not distractions (although I do agree one of the reasons is to distract from domestic crises in general, Epstein being the least of his domestic worries atm, he's above the law already).
This is a textbook US imperialist move, coordinated with Israel, to address imperial issues that existed long before the Epstein files were a mainstream story: maintaining US hegemony and securing israeli military dominance in the region, preventing Iran from becoming a regional pole aligned with Cihna, trying to open iranian markets to western capital, and projecting military strength to make the military-industrial complex side of his political supporters happy. Those goals have been discussed in US policy circles for decades, and happened now not because of the Epstein files, but because of the timing: Iran is going through an internal political crisis that is ripe for imperial exploitation.
If anything, seeing a distraction from the Epstein files in everything Trump does is the distraction from what he is actually doing.
Flattening the analysis to "Epstein distraction" when the topic actually matters to leftist internationalism around the world is some lazy memerot-brained liberal shit straight out of Gavin Newsom's twitter. He doesn't need to bother with distractions thanks to you and others who are doing it for him by seeing Epstein in everything. The mountain hidden behind the Epstein files hill is that he seized so much power that he doesn't need to fear justice anymore, and is now trying to mess with future elections to keep that power. People are in denial about how much control he has already seized. Epstein files won't matter until he is removed from power.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 174d
MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 174d
The neoliberals bitching and complaining about AI in these comments are also distracting from the Epstein files and the Genocide going on in the middle east. It is shameful that they are doing this in a leftist space.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -3 pts · 173d
MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 173d
Nope, Promoting Pro-IP sentiment and using bad faith arguments is antithetical to real leftism. Whether you like it or not. Liberals love to larp as leftists and maybe even consider themselves leftists until they are hit with the realization that leftists are against something they believe strongly in (like IP laws, or weird lies or generalizations that do not apply to all things).
Senal@programming.dev · -2 pts · 173d
Perhaps summed up as , "no true leftist" ?
Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 175d
Five@slrpnk.net · 9 pts · 175d
Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 175d
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 8 pts · 174d
As was introduced to me, breaches of Duty of Care Law fall under 3 categories.
So you can see why they try so hard to appear incompetent.
Lets them get away with murder.
oozy7@piefed.social · 5 pts · 175d
We want you to Die for Israel!!!
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 173d
There has rarely been times the USA isn't at war or flexing its military in some capacity. Not always but often for the worse of those it's affecting.
MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 175d
I don't understand why anyone would want to die for this country, that's some peak liberal brain rot.
MrGlass@programming.dev · -1 pts · 174d
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 173d
Fuck off and die in a hole you TERF troll
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 173d
Hey guys, I just got here. What's going....
Removed by mod
Oh...... Okay....
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 173d
more like: we want you to die for this country so we have a pretense for funneling more money to the weapons industry
theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 175d
We Want YOU to SIT IN A ROOM CONTROLLING A DRONE THAT MASSACRES CHILDREN for this Country!
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 168d
To distract from our pedophilia.
EnronExpress@programming.dev · 1 pts · 173d
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bigchieff@lemy.lol · 1 pts · 174d
To distract from Oracle buying out MediCare/MedicAid, getting a monopoly on data gathering and storage. They now have it all, can link it, cross refrence it and decide, if youll get your “rights” or not, judging by your online posts, history, economical background etc…
EnronExpress@programming.dev · 1 pts · 173d
EnronExpress@programming.dev · 1 pts · 173d
EnronExpress@programming.dev · 1 pts · 173d
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Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 173d
It's not for incompetence this time. It's corruption.
EnronExpress@programming.dev · 1 pts · 173d
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MrGlass@programming.dev · -1 pts · 174d
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 173d
chill TF out.
MysticMushroom1776@programming.dev · -2 pts · 173d
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -3 pts · 173d