The distinction between apes and monkeys is complicated by the traditional paraphyly of monkeys: Apes emerged as a sister group of Old World Monkeys in the catarrhines, which are a sister group of New World Monkeys. Therefore, cladistically, apes, catarrhines and related contemporary extinct groups such as Parapithecidae are monkeys as well, for any consistent definition of "monkey". "Old World monkey" may also legitimately be taken to be meant to include all the catarrhines, including apes and extinct species such as Aegyptopithecus,[12][13][14][15] in which case the apes, Cercopithecoidea and Aegyptopithecus emerged within the Old World monkeys.
Perhaps, but that page you linked seems pretty clear that apes are related closer to old world monkeys than new world moneys, but are still not monkeys?
I don't really intend to argue semantics, but before my original reply to you I akimmed a good dozen links incluthat Wikipedia page and they all say apes and monkeys are related but different.
From what I know about N64 hardware, that "Candy" written on her shirt is a much bigger performance sink than the polygons, which is certainly also an important decision the devs made
They didn't have to with a smooth normals shader. It's basically free on the GPU. You can even try this on Blender, and any particularly blocky model will look unusually smooth at certain angles.
We are talking about the N64... Was a 'smooth normals shader' a thing it could do?
I know the N64 was a very unusual machine that took developers a little while to learn to manipulate to its full extent; but I'm not all that versed in the details.
ModernVintageGamer has some decent videos on it if I remember right. (it's been a while)
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brandon@piefed.social · 70 pts · 193d
She's an ape, not a monkey, have some respect.
cowfodder@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 193d
All apes are monkeys, but not all monkeys are apes.
Dave@lemmy.nz · 19 pts · 193d
Apes and monkeys are separate from each other. Apes are not a kind of monkey.
Both apes and monkeys are primates.
Edit: worth reading down the chain to find that there isn't as clear of a consensus on this as is generally presented.
cowfodder@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 193d
The distinction between apes and monkeys is complicated by the traditional paraphyly of monkeys: Apes emerged as a sister group of Old World Monkeys in the catarrhines, which are a sister group of New World Monkeys. Therefore, cladistically, apes, catarrhines and related contemporary extinct groups such as Parapithecidae are monkeys as well, for any consistent definition of "monkey". "Old World monkey" may also legitimately be taken to be meant to include all the catarrhines, including apes and extinct species such as Aegyptopithecus,[12][13][14][15] in which case the apes, Cercopithecoidea and Aegyptopithecus emerged within the Old World monkeys.
Source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape
Dave@lemmy.nz · 1 pts · 193d
Perhaps, but that page you linked seems pretty clear that apes are related closer to old world monkeys than new world moneys, but are still not monkeys?
I don't really intend to argue semantics, but before my original reply to you I akimmed a good dozen links incluthat Wikipedia page and they all say apes and monkeys are related but different.
cowfodder@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 193d
I literally quoted the part that says apes are monkeys by any definition of the word.
Dave@lemmy.nz · 0 pts · 192d
Oh shit sorry, it wasn't clear to me that it was a quote! It sounds like if you look too close then it's complicated!
fartographer@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 192d
All primates are spheres in a vacuum when calculating dominant forces
lividweasel@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 193d
Ook!
pirc_lover@feddit.uk · 0 pts · 192d
GNU STP
SARGE@startrek.website · 0 pts · 193d
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 193d
If it doesn't have a tail, it's not a monkey,
If it doesn't have a tail, it's an ape!
AffineConnection@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 192d
No. In fact, there exist tailless monkeys that are not even apes.
OR3X@lemmy.world · 60 pts · 193d
Pretty sure that was RARE's doing, but Nintendo did greenlight it.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 193d
It just so happens that game was Rare’s last doing under Nintendo.
MimicJar@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 193d
But without Nintendo holding them back they went BIGGER!
zikzak025@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 193d
What about Starfox Adventures?
Strider@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 193d
Correct, rare.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 192d
And ‘Tomb Raider’ was developed by Core Design and published by Eidos.
kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 35 pts · 193d
From what I know about N64 hardware, that "Candy" written on her shirt is a much bigger performance sink than the polygons, which is certainly also an important decision the devs made
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 192d
Dead or Alive came out in the 90s on sony, tho.
ICastFist@programming.dev · 4 pts · 192d
3D breast jiggle with a fighting game as a bonus
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 191d
If memory serves, there was a jiggle toggle setting in the options menu.
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 193d
I wonder if they had to reduce/save polygons in other places just to make these happen...
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 193d
They didn't have to with a smooth normals shader. It's basically free on the GPU. You can even try this on Blender, and any particularly blocky model will look unusually smooth at certain angles.
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 193d
We are talking about the N64... Was a 'smooth normals shader' a thing it could do?
I know the N64 was a very unusual machine that took developers a little while to learn to manipulate to its full extent; but I'm not all that versed in the details.
ModernVintageGamer has some decent videos on it if I remember right. (it's been a while)
https://youtu.be/gRslfM-MOOw
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 193d
Yes, I found that they used a technique called Gourard shading that uses smooth normals under the hood.
Image source
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 192d
Nice! Easily my favorite console.
LikeableLime@piefed.social · 1 pts · 193d
I recommend watching some Kaze Emanuar videos as well to see what the N64 hardware is capable of
ICastFist@programming.dev · 8 pts · 192d
hOrni@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 192d
That's only a 4 polygon difference.