More Americans disapprove than approve of U.S. strikes against Iran

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/more-americans-disapprove-approve-us-strikes-against-iran

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hector@lemmy.today · 28 pts · 196d (2 replies)

Operation Epstein's Fury, use it every chance you get.

WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 196d

Haha you fool you activated my trap card! Go! Epstein Fury! 🫲🍊🫱

Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 195d

I just call it the Pedo War.

dhork@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 196d (2 replies)

There are only 535 Americans' opinions that might matter, and only if they have enough support to not only pass a law revoking the President's war authority, but upholding the inevitable veto. I'm not holding my breath.

ameancow@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 196d
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FenrirIII@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 196d

Just listened to that piece of shit Burchett from TN talking about evil Muslims and demonic leaders. The GOP is a death cult of morons

manxu@piefed.social · 18 pts · 196d (1 reply)

Nearly half say they would be more likely to support continued military action if it led to a government in Iran that is friendly to the U.S. or puts an end to the Iranian nuclear program.

The downside risks are also evident: 54% say they would be less likely to support U.S. military action if it leads to U.S. casualties. Many also indicate their support would decline if U.S. actions led to a broader conflict in the Middle East.

"If this goes well, I will have always been behind it. If it goes poorly, I was always against."

empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 196d

“If this goes well, I will have always been behind it. If it goes poorly, I was always against.”

This basically describes every public opinion poll on every political topic ever

return2ozma@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 196d

A new Reuters/Ipsos poll, conducted February 28 – March 1, finds that 43% of Americans disapprove of U.S. military strikes against Iran, while 27% approve; about three-in-ten say they are unsure.

TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 196d (1 reply)

"God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference."

It frustrates me beyond words that we can't even get 51% of Americans to agree on something like this, which I think is so obvious. But, that's where we are as a country. I suppose I need to have enough wisdom to accept that.

essell@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 195d

It frustrates me beyond words that we can't even get 51% of Americans to agree on something like this, which I think is so obvious. But, that's where we are as a country. I suppose I need to have enough wisdom to accept that.

Said every American on every issue ever.

OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 196d (3 replies)

What does it matter? Looks like america cant really do anything against trump anyway

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 195d (2 replies)

majority dont wan to "ruffle the feathers" so to speak. thats why, they are content as long as they can have thier expensive toys, like ev cars, 100k truck,,,etc.

OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 195d (1 reply)

Mmmm i agree and its sad

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 195d

plus largely the protests dint have the effect that people wanted to, organized and isolated, yea it was large in some areas but it was only playing to the side that already supports protests.

otp@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 196d (12 replies)

I think regime change in Iran is important. At the same time, I can't help but feel the US is not doing this out of altruism, but out of opportunism.

smeenz@lemmy.nz · 5 pts · 195d

I think regime change in the USA is important too

Fedizen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 195d (2 replies)

This is Iran's second dose of regime change. Somehow you'd think if it didn't work the first time we'd try something different the second time.

otp@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 193d (1 reply)

I'm not aware of the political situation in Iran when the last regime change happened. I know that this time, the people are (and have been) protesting for change.

HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 196d (7 replies)

What's regime change going to do in the long run?

Iran currently has elections which routinely elect pro-nuclear Presidents. Also, changing the government to remove clerical influence doesn't resolve the Sunni-Shia split in regional politics.

otp@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 193d (6 replies)

The people of Iran have been fighting for regime change. I don't think the issue is necessarily with the presidents, but with the "Supreme Leader".

HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 193d (5 replies)

Some people have, but I don't assume Iran to have a monolithic political culture. It is like judging someone from San Francisco and Fresno as having the same political beliefs. Currently, the people from Fresno are in charge.

Using that analogy, I could see a leftist in San Francisco choosing an aggressive foreign policy after a school in their city was bombed by a foreign power while they were trying to make peace.

otp@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 192d (4 replies)

Of course it's not unanimous. It's hard to get a true complete consensus.

Had you been following the protests in Iran even before the attacks?

I've met many people from Iran. Every single one of them left due to the regime, or were children of parents who left because of the regime.

I'm not making this point out of pro-American imperialism. Not in the slightest. This is about what many people in Iran want, and what their government has been murdering them for wanting.

HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 192d (3 replies)

Had you been following the protests in Iran even before the attacks?

Yes, but I don't see why that justifies bombing Iran.

And what I'm alluding to earlier, Israel isn't bombing Iran because it cares about the freedoms of Iranian women. It is bombing Iran because Israel and Iran are regional rivals.

otp@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 192d (2 replies)

Yes, but I don't see why that justifies bombing Iran.

That's not what I said. What I said was,

I think regime change in Iran is important

HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 192d

You're saying "regime change is important" on a post about American attacks on Iran and the current administration is saying that regime change is the purpose of the attacks.

That sounds like you support the attack on Iran.

uienia@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 195d

It is the same damn story every time. We know that MAGAs only constitute 30-40% of Americans. It is the shitty US election system and more which enables them to completely rule the country despite being a minority. They will never have a majority in anything, and there will always be a majority disliking what Trump and his fascists does.

voidsignal@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 196d

"less than all but more americans do not not disaprove than not don't not approven't"

pigeonofparadise@lemmy.org · -13 pts · 196d (48 replies)
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KoboldCoterie@pawb.social · 11 pts · 196d (5 replies)

Protests don't have to be about intimidating anyone. They're important as a tool for letting other people, who might also want to resist, know that they are not alone. I'm guessing based on your phrasing that you aren't from the US, so I'm going to assume you aren't familiar with how things work over here. It's a big country, in terms of landmass. The US is almost as large as the entirety of Europe (~3.5m sq. miles vs. ~3.9m sq. miles.) It's essentially impossible to coordinate anything over that large an area, especially considering how spread out everything is. Organized protests like the No Kings events, though, present a unified front across the country, and let everyone know that people everywhere feel the same way they do, and even though they might only have immediate contact to their local community, the resistance is much larger than that.

"Standing up to our oppressors" is also more difficult than you seem to think. It's really easy to sit there behind a keyboard in another part of the world and type big words, but it's a lot harder to commit to an armed resistance that will, in all likelihood, result in dying. The US military is huge, and mega-funded. Local law enforcement is very likely to be on the establishment's side. They're all armed and don't hesitate to quash even peaceful resistance with violence. How do you think it's going to go when someone starts shooting back?

For a true resistance to be effective, it needs to be organized and coordinated, and that's simply very difficult to accomplish. I certainly don't know how to do it. Do you?

Or are you just advocating for people to go die in ineffectual attempts to assassinate government officials?

pigeonofparadise@lemmy.org · -10 pts · 196d (4 replies)
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KoboldCoterie@pawb.social · 7 pts · 196d (3 replies)

Well, if that's your takeaway from all that, I guess there's very little point in trying to discuss this further with you.

pigeonofparadise@lemmy.org · -6 pts · 196d (2 replies)
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KoboldCoterie@pawb.social · 6 pts · 196d (1 reply)

You offer no solutions, suggestions, or even counter-points - only negativity and nay saying. Frankly, that makes me not really give a shit about your opinion.

There is nothing you can say to convince me otherwise because I have reality as evidence.

Then there's especially no point in discussing this further with you.

pigeonofparadise@lemmy.org · -6 pts · 196d
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ameancow@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 196d (16 replies)
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hector@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 195d

Well said. The question is how do we fix it? I know. But I can't do it myself.

pigeonofparadise@lemmy.org · -2 pts · 196d (14 replies)
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ameancow@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 196d (13 replies)
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pigeonofparadise@lemmy.org · -2 pts · 196d (12 replies)
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hector@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 195d

Throw our lives away in a useless action? Not so good advice.

ameancow@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 196d (10 replies)
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pigeonofparadise@lemmy.org · -1 pts · 196d (9 replies)
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Vieric@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 196d
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idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 195d

That’s clearly fighting. I’m not an alt.

ameancow@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 196d
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cattywampas@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 196d (1 reply)

Minnesota had an election while under occupation by ICE and Border Patrol. They went out to vote while their neighbors were being shot in the street. Guess who won?

pigeonofparadise@lemmy.org · -1 pts · 196d
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TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 196d (11 replies)
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pigeonofparadise@lemmy.org · -2 pts · 196d (10 replies)
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pigeonofparadise@lemmy.org · -2 pts · 196d (8 replies)
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pigeonofparadise@lemmy.org · -2 pts · 196d (6 replies)
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TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 196d
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hector@lemmy.today · -1 pts · 196d (10 replies)

piss off it aint over yet.

pigeonofparadise@lemmy.org · 2 pts · 196d (9 replies)
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hector@lemmy.today · -1 pts · 196d (8 replies)

I can't say, it's not good. But it's not over either.

pigeonofparadise@lemmy.org · 0 pts · 196d (7 replies)
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hector@lemmy.today · -1 pts · 196d (6 replies)

Booo. A true leader will emerge from the ashes and lay waste to the oligarchy, as prophecized by plato.

pigeonofparadise@lemmy.org · 1 pts · 196d (5 replies)
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hector@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 196d

Every representative government follows the same formula, though overthrow of a monarch, to stages of oligarchic repression, to a true leader coming along and laying waste to that oligarchy, there are no exceptions in history. Let's make it happen.