let me tell u, i've never felt even slightly convinced when the other side gave up!! i am not even conviced the tiniest bit rn and i can feel you are about to give up!
My arguments online are for the benefit of others readers and also myself, rarely is my goal to change the person I'm replying to's mind. It is good to test ones opinions and logic.
I find when you stop arguing to change others opinions and start arguing because its fun you liberate yourself. I feel no need to make a reactionary, a shitlib, or a bootlicker change their views when pointing out the absurdity of their arguments can easily convince people silently watching.
I have a bad habit I'll admit that I can't let grossly negligent and misinformed comments go without a rebuttal of some sort. I've learned with anyone on the right to just fart in their general direction. This naive belief I can help some people who are wading into the leftism pool further into it.
That's why I don't get the last word. I wait for them to end with a really bad last word that might gnaw at them. People change their minds gradually over a long time, and then give themselves credit for figuring it out.
The problem was integrating the Nazis into classified programs. None of them, not a single one, even Einstein, should have had security clearance. You literally invited the opposition to infiltrate your ranks.
Not to say that Einstein wasn't a boon to the US, but an alarming amount of 'former' Nazis got a free psss, and shit, look at America Third Reich today!?
Einstein and many other Jewish scientists famously fled Germany in droves to escape the Nazis. Seems a little gross to suggest that refugees will bring whatever tyrannies they’re fleeing from along with them…
Oh I agree I was just trying to provide a contrast angle, to emphasize the point. Of course there were good, but clearly too many leaked through, and while the blanket answer is 'corrupt power strives for power,' I believe in a more nuanced kind of way.
Obviously having Einstein was a boon, but what if he'd been the kinda shit we deal with today? White-Christian-nationalist Einstein sounds like a worst-case scenario.
I don't think that Einstein was a Nazi, from the information I have seen. I think that seeing every German as "the opposition" is itself a pretty fascist position to take.
The true opposition is not people of different nationalities, it is people of a different class. That is, the "owners" who exploit the working class by claiming ownership of the fruits of their labor.
Sorry, maybe I misspoke/misinterpreted my point. As I was taught in grade 9-10, about 20y ago, (being American myself), post WW2 US was snatching up nazi scientists like pedophiles on a playground, instead of having proper screening.
As I understand it, the screening was minimal and vulnerable, and by that measure, it's no surprise the US became the modern Nazi-Germany.
It's true that there were a bunch of Nazi scientists that were welcomed into the US. I don't think that that's really to blame for the US's fascist tendencies, though. The US has always had fascist tendencies. If anything the US welcoming Nazi scientists is a reflection of the way that the US already was, rather than something that corrupted the US.
*90% of people who argue on the internet won't listen to logic because their beliefs were formed by trauma from an abusive childhood and they subconsciously believe they are still living in that traumatic experience.
FTFY
43 Comments
riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 37 pts · 179d
no they don't
DmMacniel@feddit.org · 21 pts · 179d
Yes they would.
riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 179d
no they would not!!! >:c
DmMacniel@feddit.org · 14 pts · 179d
Yes They would.
riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 179d
let me tell u, i've never felt even slightly convinced when the other side gave up!! i am not even conviced the tiniest bit rn and i can feel you are about to give up!
DmMacniel@feddit.org · 11 pts · 179d
Your time is up anyway and I longer am allowed to argue with you.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 178d
yes you are
DmMacniel@feddit.org · 2 pts · 178d
I told you once.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 3 pts · 179d
I declare riwo the victor as macniel has fled the debate like a coward
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 179d
You’re both wrong.
DmMacniel@feddit.org · 2 pts · 179d
Shame.
Phoeniqz@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 179d
!whoosh@lemmy.world
riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 179d
you are wrong about this
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 29 pts · 179d
My arguments online are for the benefit of others readers and also myself, rarely is my goal to change the person I'm replying to's mind. It is good to test ones opinions and logic.
poplargrove@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 179d
Lets also not forget about the people who are uncertain or people who arent unreasonably attaches to their views that really might change their minds.
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 179d
I find when you stop arguing to change others opinions and start arguing because its fun you liberate yourself. I feel no need to make a reactionary, a shitlib, or a bootlicker change their views when pointing out the absurdity of their arguments can easily convince people silently watching.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 179d
For a sec I read "booblicker" instead of bootlicker and was trying to think why anyone would need to change from that.
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 179d
Ok girlkisser :3
UnixSlvt42@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 179d
"shitlib"
I see You socialistmaxxing! Don't let them mog you with that 67 capitalism blud! No cap! Rizzler Marx only spits straight fire!
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 179d
What the fuck are you talking about?
UnixSlvt42@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 179d
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 179d
I have a bad habit I'll admit that I can't let grossly negligent and misinformed comments go without a rebuttal of some sort. I've learned with anyone on the right to just fart in their general direction. This naive belief I can help some people who are wading into the leftism pool further into it.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 179d
That's why I don't get the last word. I wait for them to end with a really bad last word that might gnaw at them. People change their minds gradually over a long time, and then give themselves credit for figuring it out.
katkit@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 179d
Exactly. You can't change people's minds, you can only inspire.
Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 179d
It's why I don't quit. I've been in an argument with the same person since 2008.
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space · 2 pts · 179d
“Please don’t say you got married.”
/s
Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 179d
Oh no. I'm just an angry gamer on the Internet with no social life.
Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 179d
dont give those people hope...
gray@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 179d
Cursed inspo
IntrovertTurtle@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 179d
The problem was integrating the Nazis into classified programs. None of them, not a single one, even Einstein, should have had security clearance. You literally invited the opposition to infiltrate your ranks.
Not to say that Einstein wasn't a boon to the US, but an alarming amount of 'former' Nazis got a free psss, and shit, look at
AmericaThird Reich today!?sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml · 20 pts · 179d
Einstein was a socialist and very against the third reich. Don't know where you got the idea that he was a nazi
verdare@piefed.blahaj.zone · 23 pts · 179d
Einstein and many other Jewish scientists famously fled Germany in droves to escape the Nazis. Seems a little gross to suggest that refugees will bring whatever tyrannies they’re fleeing from along with them…
IntrovertTurtle@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 179d
Oh I agree I was just trying to provide a contrast angle, to emphasize the point. Of course there were good, but clearly too many leaked through, and while the blanket answer is 'corrupt power strives for power,' I believe in a more nuanced kind of way.
Obviously having Einstein was a boon, but what if he'd been the kinda shit we deal with today? White-Christian-nationalist Einstein sounds like a worst-case scenario.
We got off lucky and that's putting it nicely.
IntrovertTurtle@lemmy.zip · -4 pts · 179d
He was just an example of how the US was scooping up German scientists like Einstein.
Learn your shit before you call others out.
Ziglin@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 179d
I'm confused. Is this meant to be a meta joke by arguing about something and trying to change someone's mind?
Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 179d
I don't think that Einstein was a Nazi, from the information I have seen. I think that seeing every German as "the opposition" is itself a pretty fascist position to take.
The true opposition is not people of different nationalities, it is people of a different class. That is, the "owners" who exploit the working class by claiming ownership of the fruits of their labor.
IntrovertTurtle@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 179d
Sorry, maybe I misspoke/misinterpreted my point. As I was taught in grade 9-10, about 20y ago, (being American myself), post WW2 US was snatching up nazi scientists like pedophiles on a playground, instead of having proper screening.
As I understand it, the screening was minimal and vulnerable, and by that measure, it's no surprise the US became the modern Nazi-Germany.
Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 179d
It's true that there were a bunch of Nazi scientists that were welcomed into the US. I don't think that that's really to blame for the US's fascist tendencies, though. The US has always had fascist tendencies. If anything the US welcoming Nazi scientists is a reflection of the way that the US already was, rather than something that corrupted the US.
Gonzako@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 179d
I'll be honest, if you're arguing yourself I'll gladly engage with your arguments but yeah, you're just not convincing me.
MrsVeggies@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 179d
*90% of people who argue on the internet won't listen to logic because their beliefs were formed by trauma from an abusive childhood and they subconsciously believe they are still living in that traumatic experience. FTFY
TheSeveralJourneysOfReemus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 178d