Why don’t they just America the whole fucking place, then they can just America the oil through the Strait of America, and do whatever the fuck they want.
Which I guess is kind of the plan if Israel is going to spawn kill every new guy until they are wearing the right colors.
People just don't understand the scale of these global systems, which is understandable since the numbers are incomprehensible. They think what they see in daily life represents one cell of a giant organism, but its more like one atom.
I have a better solution.
Why not build a long city from Pickup point to Drop Off point,
with two rows of 500 meter tall skyscrapers to shield Iranian drones from entering,
and then have an oil pipeline go through it in the middle?
It seems like those psychopaths know that their control of America politics is on its last leg so they’re willing to start any war even without the multi-year propaganda campaign that the last major war had.
not blowing things up unnecessarily costs way less than any building projects. Even if the rails were built, not a lot of things are stopping it from getting struck by missiles.
I think you're underestimating the sheer scale of the endeavor. It would need to cross several deserts, a mountain range and an international border. As drawn in the image there's almost 800km, let's say, between Abu dabi and Al Ashkara. Being very generous with the geography, a costly project like this could run for $10 MM per Km or about $8 Bn just for the construction (probably more as it would not be a straight line), plus maintenance (in this place it could be up to 30% of the construction cost a year), plus rolling stock and operation costs. Feeding and getting water to those workers would be a logistics nightmare in the middle of the desert. Another couple of billions for unloading and loading facilities that could handle millions of barrels daily, to be built from scratch.
That's before even reaching the question of timeframes. Rail can be built really fast, but fast is roughly one kilometer of rail a month. Assuming all permits, contracts and administrative load can be fast tracked (it can take years to design and approve a project of this scale), it would take 66 work years (surely distributed between several work crews) to complete a new heavy railway. Which balloons the cost by a 50% factor for each new crew to accelerate construction.
For reference, the Australian, Adelaide to Darwin rail line is 4 times longer than this. Its construction started in 1910 and was finished in 2004. So, Oman-UAE should have this rail in place and operating no sooner than 2045 if they rush very hard.
By the time the new rail is laid out, Israel would've completed their genocide of Iran.
look, we can totally do this. get your grandma's '97 corolla, throw a few barrels in the trunk and a few on the roof, and get driving.
If it runs out of gas, just refine some of the oil and fill up! If it's due for an oil change, just throw some of the oil in!
If these kingdoms had built a pipeline skirting the strait, I guess it would still have been susceptible to missile & drone attack, and a 500-mile long, deep-underground pipeline was out of the question.
I know Saudi Arabia does have and east west pipeline that they can use to ship oil out and bypass the strait I just assume it doesnt have the capacity to match all the ships that usually take all the oil.
I always thought an Emirati Canal would probably make a whole lot of sense whenever Iran gets uppity (or vice versa, in this case).
Sure, it would still be susceptible to attack, but doing so would draw the UAE into war as well, and they'd have the ability to place land-based air defense along its route
And what? For one thing my point is well made if not technically by truck and second see that pipe that cuts off in the middle of the desert that follows almost the exact same path as the meme? They have to truck it the rest of the way.
Edit: Also if your point is we don't have enough infrastructure that is because it is expensive which was exactly my point.
Edit: Also if your point is we don’t have enough infrastructure that is because it is expensive which was exactly my point.
That’s not how anything works. It can’t be done in time even with an infinite amount of money. Money doesn’t magically transform into infrastructure overnight. There are no magic infrastructure gnomes.
68 Comments
mech@feddit.org · 83 pts · 170d
Why don't they just use the eagles to fly the oil to
MordorAmerica?jaybone@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 170d
Why don’t they just America the whole fucking place, then they can just America the oil through the Strait of America, and do whatever the fuck they want.
Which I guess is kind of the plan if Israel is going to spawn kill every new guy until they are wearing the right colors.
mech@feddit.org · 4 pts · 170d
MoonMelon@lemmy.ml · 54 pts · 170d
People just don't understand the scale of these global systems, which is understandable since the numbers are incomprehensible. They think what they see in daily life represents one cell of a giant organism, but its more like one atom.
folaht@lemmy.ml · 35 pts · 170d
I have a better solution.
Why not build a long city from Pickup point to Drop Off point,
with two rows of 500 meter tall skyscrapers to shield Iranian drones from entering,
and then have an oil pipeline go through it in the middle?
I call it, 'the line'.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 170d
Now all we need is a CGI ad.
ZeroHora@lemmy.ml · 31 pts · 170d
This one is more economic viable
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 169d
fermionsnotbosons@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 169d
sure, anything's easy when you use portals
Diddlydee@feddit.uk · 28 pts · 170d
A barrel of oil is about 160 litres, and the biggest liquid transporter trucks usually hold about 60000 litres. That's 375 barrels per truck.
This ain't going to work.
Agent641@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 170d
Carry the tanker ship on a truck
Pricklesthemagicfish@reddthat.com · 5 pts · 170d
What about like a train?
rafoix@lemmy.zip · 22 pts · 170d
You mean the train that isn’t there because there are no tracks?
Pricklesthemagicfish@reddthat.com · -5 pts · 170d
You're right we could never build a train track impossible for modern day humans. Lol I just like math 131,000 L per dot 111
rafoix@lemmy.zip · 25 pts · 170d
There is no reason to spend billions of dollars on a rail line that is not needed as long as Zionists do not start an unnecessary war.
Maybe Zionists could stop their death cult beliefs instead of making the rest of us pay for their psycho-fairy tale crap.
foggianism@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 170d
"as long as Zionists do not start wars" - which they do, every year or so
rafoix@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 170d
It seems like those psychopaths know that their control of America politics is on its last leg so they’re willing to start any war even without the multi-year propaganda campaign that the last major war had.
plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works · -4 pts · 170d
A rail way is actually cheaper and easier to build than a road.
Barking up the wrong trees here mate.
rafoix@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 170d
Did I ever mention the rail vs road cost? Two massively dumb ideas that are infinitely worse than just not killing Iranians.
It’s actually very easy to not kill people and raise energy prices worldwide.
bountygiver@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 170d
not blowing things up unnecessarily costs way less than any building projects. Even if the rails were built, not a lot of things are stopping it from getting struck by missiles.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 170d
The special explosion proof rails, on the other hand, are really really expensive...
dustyData@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 170d
I think you're underestimating the sheer scale of the endeavor. It would need to cross several deserts, a mountain range and an international border. As drawn in the image there's almost 800km, let's say, between Abu dabi and Al Ashkara. Being very generous with the geography, a costly project like this could run for $10 MM per Km or about $8 Bn just for the construction (probably more as it would not be a straight line), plus maintenance (in this place it could be up to 30% of the construction cost a year), plus rolling stock and operation costs. Feeding and getting water to those workers would be a logistics nightmare in the middle of the desert. Another couple of billions for unloading and loading facilities that could handle millions of barrels daily, to be built from scratch.
That's before even reaching the question of timeframes. Rail can be built really fast, but fast is roughly one kilometer of rail a month. Assuming all permits, contracts and administrative load can be fast tracked (it can take years to design and approve a project of this scale), it would take 66 work years (surely distributed between several work crews) to complete a new heavy railway. Which balloons the cost by a 50% factor for each new crew to accelerate construction.
For reference, the Australian, Adelaide to Darwin rail line is 4 times longer than this. Its construction started in 1910 and was finished in 2004. So, Oman-UAE should have this rail in place and operating no sooner than 2045 if they rush very hard.
By the time the new rail is laid out, Israel would've completed their genocide of Iran.
Pricklesthemagicfish@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 169d
Whats a permit? Is that something you need before you bomb a girls school?
Pricklesthemagicfish@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 170d
5367 truck in 1 hour or 100 truck and 3 days to move it? I think it might work
GreenCrunch@piefed.blahaj.zone · 22 pts · 170d
look, we can totally do this. get your grandma's '97 corolla, throw a few barrels in the trunk and a few on the roof, and get driving. If it runs out of gas, just refine some of the oil and fill up! If it's due for an oil change, just throw some of the oil in!
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 170d
Cars in the Gulf are perpetuum mobile
kibiz0r@midwest.social · 19 pts · 170d
What if they set up a ramp in front of the mountains and get the boat going really really fast?
OrteilGenou@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 170d
He didn't even suggest using blimps, fuckin amateur
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 170d
blimp drones! we could call them blones!
smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 170d
UAE has big money and likes megaprojects, have they started digging a channel between Ras Al-Khaimah and Zaghi? Some tidy profits if they can do it.
davel@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 170d
If these kingdoms had built a pipeline skirting the strait, I guess it would still have been susceptible to missile & drone attack, and a 500-mile long, deep-underground pipeline was out of the question.
Egonallanon@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 170d
I know Saudi Arabia does have and east west pipeline that they can use to ship oil out and bypass the strait I just assume it doesnt have the capacity to match all the ships that usually take all the oil.
smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 170d
A canal along that approximate path would be "only" 34km. Questionable whether that, or a 500km buried pipeline, would be easier.
DontTreadOnBigfoot@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 170d
I always thought an Emirati Canal would probably make a whole lot of sense whenever Iran gets uppity (or vice versa, in this case).
Sure, it would still be susceptible to attack, but doing so would draw the UAE into war as well, and they'd have the ability to place land-based air defense along its route
eldavi@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 170d
i bet that's what they do if things return to normal
tordenflesk@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 170d
Give me the gasolene and I'll spare your lives.
Just walk away.
I will give you safe passage in the wasteland...
Pricklesthemagicfish@reddthat.com · 8 pts · 170d
What if we just renamed it gays of Hormuz, bingo world peace.
eldavi@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 170d
rename it like the gulf of america? lol
Pricklesthemagicfish@reddthat.com · 5 pts · 170d
See you get it you can laugh outside of the box.
Ephera@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 170d
Certainly doesn't look very strait either...
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 170d
Let’s not judge people on their appearance…
Pricklesthemagicfish@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 169d
It wasnt when I fucked it!
RattlerSix@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 170d
It would take over 1000 trucks to fill a medium sized tanker ship
yogthos@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 170d
running across one of the most inhospitable places on the planet
Maeve@kbin.earth · 4 pts · 170d
🤣🤣🤣🤣
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 170d
Flag it!
stupidcasey@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 170d
They literally do this, it's just expensive.
yogthos@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 170d
Thrydwulf@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 170d
Well well well TIL.
Fuck it, let’s just send in some AT-AT Walkers to truck the barrels through.
stupidcasey@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 170d
stupidcasey@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 170d
yogthos@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 170d
and?
stupidcasey@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 170d
And what? For one thing my point is well made if not technically by truck and second see that pipe that cuts off in the middle of the desert that follows almost the exact same path as the meme? They have to truck it the rest of the way.
Edit: Also if your point is we don't have enough infrastructure that is because it is expensive which was exactly my point.
yogthos@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 170d
It's pretty clear you don't really comprehend the volumes of oil going through Hormuz here when you say truck it the rest of the way.
stupidcasey@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 170d
But we could do it it's just expensive which was my point.
yogthos@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 170d
No, you really couldn't physically move that much oil on trucks in any realistic scenario.
davel@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 170d
That’s not how anything works. It can’t be done in time even with an infinite amount of money. Money doesn’t magically transform into infrastructure overnight. There are no magic infrastructure gnomes.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 169d