I had a whole deleted other paragraph in the OP about how everyday language isn't beholden to strict scientific nomenclature, in which I mention tomatoes specifically. A chef probably doesn't care about the exact botanical definition of "fruit", and is more concerned that tomatoes pair well with savory foods like other vegetables do, so forcing the distinction in this case would only confuse things.
I know I'm also undercutting my own joke, but calling whales (and humans) "fish" in the cladistic sense, while true, is also not very helpful.
As far as I'm concerned, culinary terminology will never override scientific definitions. The full phrase should be "tomatoes are used like a vegetable because of their relatively lower sugar content" rather than "tomatoes are vegetables". To me it's like someone living out of their car and calling it a house. Sure you live there and you do things in there that you would in a house, but that's still a car at the end of the day.
Your Honor, I wanna present evidence in defense of OP:
Exhibit A: In Dutch language the creature is called "walvis", in which the syllable "vis" translates directly to "fish" in English.
Exhibit B: The scientist Stephen Jay Gould concluded, after a lifetime studying marine life, that "fish" do not form a single genus, nor are they all closely related to one another, and that there is no single evolutionary ancestor exclusive to all species traditionally called fish. This implies that the term "fish" is not a scientifically coherent category, and therefore any aquatic creature could, in principle, be labeled a "fish".
In a break from the long tradition of grouping all fish into a single class (Pisces), modern phylogenetics views fish as a paraphyletic group that includes all vertebrates except tetrapods.
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Terrapinjoe@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 159d
Intelligence is knowing whales are fish. Wisdom is not putting a whale in a fish salad.
early_riser@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 159d
I had a whole deleted other paragraph in the OP about how everyday language isn't beholden to strict scientific nomenclature, in which I mention tomatoes specifically. A chef probably doesn't care about the exact botanical definition of "fruit", and is more concerned that tomatoes pair well with savory foods like other vegetables do, so forcing the distinction in this case would only confuse things.
I know I'm also undercutting my own joke, but calling whales (and humans) "fish" in the cladistic sense, while true, is also not very helpful.
TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 159d
As far as I'm concerned, culinary terminology will never override scientific definitions. The full phrase should be "tomatoes are used like a vegetable because of their relatively lower sugar content" rather than "tomatoes are vegetables". To me it's like someone living out of their car and calling it a house. Sure you live there and you do things in there that you would in a house, but that's still a car at the end of the day.
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 159d
Experience is knowing Muktuk is delicious and works on a salad if cut small enough.
Jozav@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 159d
Your Honor, I wanna present evidence in defense of OP:
Exhibit A: In Dutch language the creature is called "walvis", in which the syllable "vis" translates directly to "fish" in English.
Exhibit B: The scientist Stephen Jay Gould concluded, after a lifetime studying marine life, that "fish" do not form a single genus, nor are they all closely related to one another, and that there is no single evolutionary ancestor exclusive to all species traditionally called fish. This implies that the term "fish" is not a scientifically coherent category, and therefore any aquatic creature could, in principle, be labeled a "fish".
I rest my case.
org@lemmy.org · 10 pts · 159d
Your mom is a whale.
Soulphite@reddthat.com · 9 pts · 159d
Almacca@aussie.zone · 8 pts · 159d
We are all fish.
DScratch@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 159d
Fish is not a real classification.
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 159d
Monke is fish.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 159d
You Honor I wanna present evidence in defense of OP:
Exhibit A: In Chinese Language it's 鲸鱼
Literally has the character "鱼" in the word, the 鲸 character also has the 鱼 radical built into the character.
I rest my case.
SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 159d
That's pretty fishy.
rockerface@lemmy.cafe · 3 pts · 159d
So it's a double fish!
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 159d
1.5 fish, the radical only takes up half of the character
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 159d
By that logic all life is just self replicating organic chemicals.
actionjbone@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 159d
If whales are fish, then so are coelacanths.
isyasad@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 158d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish