And doughnuts, zeppoles, gulab jamun, you tiao, beignets, funnel cakes... I would really love it if everybody would dogpile on here with their own fried dough traditions
Yeah, I was just thinking there's no way that etymology is true. Ne is part of a whole class of these particles and appears in combinations to form even more specific "response-inviting" markers. A loanword for some traded good I'd believe, but not a grammatical feature like this, especially not because the Portuguese missionaries weren't all that popular in Japan.
Yes, it's a part of speech that's formally in the standard language. Japanase is full of these 'case markers', that don't exist in English. Japanese doesn't have articles or noun inflection, so you need them to determine what function words are in a sentence, or if it's a question.
In English it's slang. Hence you won't find it in a textbook.
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TabbsTheBat@pawb.social · 27 pts · 183d
In lithuanian we have "ane?" which is a shortening of "ar ne?" which is "or no?" so basically "isn't it?" as well :3
spinne@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 183d
TIL "isn't it" is the linguistic equivalent of fried dough
TabbsTheBat@pawb.social · 17 pts · 183d
The human need to ask for clarification strikes everyone lol
slothrop@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 183d
You mean elephant ears?
Or beaver tails?
spinne@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 183d
And doughnuts, zeppoles, gulab jamun, you tiao, beignets, funnel cakes... I would really love it if everybody would dogpile on here with their own fried dough traditions
TabbsTheBat@pawb.social · 3 pts · 183d
Just gonna throw in varškės spurgos, and žagarėliai, and skruzdėlynas.. and actually I could keep going for a bit with fried dough foods I think lol
spinne@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 183d
Don't hold back!
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 183d
In Dutch some people often use “ofnie” which is short for “of niet?” Which means “or not?” so “isn’t it?” as well
I bet many languages have something similar.
nialv7@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 183d
Japanese speakers, is this accurate?
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 183d
Mostly yes, but the Japanese already had it before the Portuguese came along.
Hoimo@ani.social · 1 pts · 183d
Yeah, I was just thinking there's no way that etymology is true. Ne is part of a whole class of these particles and appears in combinations to form even more specific "response-inviting" markers. A loanword for some traded good I'd believe, but not a grammatical feature like this, especially not because the Portuguese missionaries weren't all that popular in Japan.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 183d
Yes, it's a part of speech that's formally in the standard language. Japanase is full of these 'case markers', that don't exist in English. Japanese doesn't have articles or noun inflection, so you need them to determine what function words are in a sentence, or if it's a question.
In English it's slang. Hence you won't find it in a textbook.
Get_Off_My_WLAN@fedia.io · 2 pts · 183d
I wish it weren't
Cronization@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 183d
But that's what makes it fun ne?
callyral@pawb.social · 5 pts · 183d
Japan has né??? Wtf was Portugal doing over there? Side quests?