I hope the real reason is that they're running out of money to try new features. But some of their stated reasons, like their AI age verification sucks, aren't so bad either.
...Actually, OpenAI has a suspicious number of reasons why they can't do adult mode. I think they protest too much.
I think it's about video generation. They shut down Sora because it was burning too much money. Imagine how much a massive amount of porn videos would cost.
This here. The dirty not-at-all-a-secret is that NONE of it is profitable. It is all a money-burning, water-wasting, RAM-market-sucking black hole.
There is no road to profitability unless they somehow convince everyone to pay multiple thousands of dollars per year for subscriptions. At least that's what I keep hearing; evidence otherwise with real references, I'm open to consider.
Yep. I bet the reason they never actually closed the deal with Disney is that Disney discovered that shitty Sora CG cost more than their in house systems.
Or because of that recent ruling that you can't copyright AI generated images. If Disney can't copyright the videos Sora produces, then it's useless to them.
I think even the text prompts are unprofitable. Sam Altman said so once, even for paid plans. I wonder if they're still in danger of bleeding themselves dry. One can dream.
Disney can already make shitty CG animation for basically nothing. What Sora did was offer a way of doing it without any real expertise, but Disney already had that. It was probably impossible for Sora to actually produce lower-tier Disney content for less than Disney is already able to do it for.
nVidia had announced that instead of 100 billion for nothing to OpenAI that they were doing 30 billion for stake, and said they were probably not going to keep giving these 'halo' AI companies money after this.
I also saw a report that banks were starting to get a bit more stingy with money to the same companies.
I think that while there's still plenty of money coming in still, it does seem like the 'take our unlimited cash just because you have AI in your name' phase is wearing out and they actually have to try to convince people now.
Which is a pretty big problem for them, as despite their brand recognition they aren't really seen as the 'leader' in the AI space on any particular front.
It's really cheap to use a WAN model (or whatever the latest thing is) on my laptop to make porn without needing to find and hire a model, or even subscribe to an onlyfans. Also not paying OpenAI or anyone else besides the electric bill.
I don't think that's going away, and I would be a bit surprised if it's not already cutting into demand for the real thing (which I also think isn't going away)
Isn't all this "OpenAI drops..." stuff (goonbot, Sora/Disney, etc) all because of Altman's recent statement that they're going to switch to being a one trick pony shop? As in: one product, win or lose.
But if it's lose, I guarantee they'll Ministry of Truth that statement.
Their statement in this article has a half dozen different reasons for dropping the project. A suspicious number of reasons, and all of them sound more like excuses. You're definitely right about the Ministry of Truth though, because this embarrassment has been in development since 2024.
Yeah, very likely. I suppose the product focus will be government/military. They will get the AI find people to disappear or pick bombing targets. That’s apparently a profitable endeavor.
Genuinely curious if you've found a good porn site that isn't already incorporating these. The ones I frequent have them already fairly regularly but they are heavily down voted and have an uncanny valley feel to them that is a real turnoff. Not at all "all the rage"
Not something I’ve actively looked into, quite honestly. Didn’t find the Ripley’s Believe It or Not museum particularly arousing, so I assume it wouldn’t be my jam.
That’s a good idea; I’ll be sure and pre-flight next time. Also my mom is dead, so I doubt she would mind. Just one extra worm wiggling around in there.
The outliers, the people making sure your local furry artist can afford a wacom tablet, they're not gonna drop that money on any old ramshod image thrown together out of statically likely pixels. Who's gonna pay for all the server time needed to generate the lowest quality of the lowest common denominator smut?
Yeah, but the flip side is that it also comes with controversy, and I could imagine that it's more hassle for OpenAI than it's worth.
Plus, there are some scaling issues. There is a varying collection of social norms around the world that vary when it comes to sexuality. Some people are going to get really upset if there's a chatbot that violates their social norms. Some of those social norms change (e.g. the UK just put out that restriction on choking pornography).
And then you've got privacy issues. My own suspicion is that erotica might be a driver for LLMs-on-local-hardware.
Given how much money OpenAI is burning, I'd guess that they really have to get agentic stuff, more-advanced stuff working. And I don't know how much overlap there is on making general-knowledge AI and erotica generation stuff. Like, one point I recall someone making on /r/LocalLLama was that MoEs haven't worked incredibly well with creative writing...but it might be that MoEs are a better approach for problem solving.
Like, I agree that there's demand. And I'm pretty sure that there's gonna be an industry filling that (maybe after hardware prices have come down). But I'm not sure that it's the best bet for OpenAI.
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Treczoks@lemmy.world · 108 pts · 135d
Which is an interesting take, because anything sex-related seems to be the only way to make money with AI.
XLE@piefed.social · 40 pts · 135d
I hope the real reason is that they're running out of money to try new features. But some of their stated reasons, like their AI age verification sucks, aren't so bad either.
...Actually, OpenAI has a suspicious number of reasons why they can't do adult mode. I think they protest too much.
flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz · 32 pts · 135d
I think it's about video generation. They shut down Sora because it was burning too much money. Imagine how much a massive amount of porn videos would cost.
Arghblarg@lemmy.ca · 37 pts · 135d
This here. The dirty not-at-all-a-secret is that NONE of it is profitable. It is all a money-burning, water-wasting, RAM-market-sucking black hole.
There is no road to profitability unless they somehow convince everyone to pay multiple thousands of dollars per year for subscriptions. At least that's what I keep hearing; evidence otherwise with real references, I'm open to consider.
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backblackUnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 11 pts · 135d
Yep. I bet the reason they never actually closed the deal with Disney is that Disney discovered that shitty Sora CG cost more than their in house systems.
VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 135d
Or because of that recent ruling that you can't copyright AI generated images. If Disney can't copyright the videos Sora produces, then it's useless to them.
ranzispa@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 134d
Sure, but I doubt RAM plays a big role in this.
XLE@piefed.social · 10 pts · 135d
I think even the text prompts are unprofitable. Sam Altman said so once, even for paid plans. I wonder if they're still in danger of bleeding themselves dry. One can dream.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 5 pts · 135d
That was probably what sunk the Disney deal.
Disney can already make shitty CG animation for basically nothing. What Sora did was offer a way of doing it without any real expertise, but Disney already had that. It was probably impossible for Sora to actually produce lower-tier Disney content for less than Disney is already able to do it for.
jj4211@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 134d
nVidia had announced that instead of 100 billion for nothing to OpenAI that they were doing 30 billion for stake, and said they were probably not going to keep giving these 'halo' AI companies money after this.
I also saw a report that banks were starting to get a bit more stingy with money to the same companies.
I think that while there's still plenty of money coming in still, it does seem like the 'take our unlimited cash just because you have AI in your name' phase is wearing out and they actually have to try to convince people now.
Which is a pretty big problem for them, as despite their brand recognition they aren't really seen as the 'leader' in the AI space on any particular front.
wewbull@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 134d
I think it's that they are preparing for IPO, which means opening their books and being an attractive investment.
Sora was killed because it haemorrhaged cash for each generation. Investors wouldn't be comfortable with that still running in the books.
This is killed because a respectable investment does sell porn.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 0 pts · 135d
Yeah, i think they are already doing it as a pass-through with some other company.
vaderaj@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 135d
And WAR, because government's love to burn tax payers money on useless sh*t
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 1 pts · 135d
They are probably licensing some bullshit to someone else.
DoucheBagMcSwag@piefed.social · 92 pts · 135d
Pop the bubble
Pop the bubble
Pop the bubble
inari@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 134d
🫧 💥
someacnt@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 134d
Huh, interesting that pop could be realized this time.
shweddy@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 135d
Porn won't save ai
unnamed1@feddit.org · 21 pts · 135d
I don’t think ai as technology needs saving, but the companies of the bursting bubble do. I love to see Altman struggle
XLE@piefed.social · 14 pts · 135d
It's hard to tell when he's genuinely miserable because his face always looks like that.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 7 pts · 135d
For the simple reason that is is REALLY cheap to make and monetize real porn.
The only people using AI to make porn are people who wouldn't be able to pay for it if they charged what it costs to use.
davidgro@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 135d
It's really cheap to use a WAN model (or whatever the latest thing is) on my laptop to make porn without needing to find and hire a model, or even subscribe to an onlyfans. Also not paying OpenAI or anyone else besides the electric bill.
I don't think that's going away, and I would be a bit surprised if it's not already cutting into demand for the real thing (which I also think isn't going away)
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 2 pts · 135d
Right, you can afford to do that because the company you are using is taking a loss on the product.
davidgro@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 135d
What company? I mean local models.
Edit: Oh, WAN is the name of a model that makes videos, it's not Wide Area Network.
Brewchin@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 135d
Isn't all this "OpenAI drops..." stuff (goonbot, Sora/Disney, etc) all because of Altman's recent statement that they're going to switch to being a one trick pony shop? As in: one product, win or lose.
But if it's lose, I guarantee they'll Ministry of Truth that statement.
XLE@piefed.social · 5 pts · 135d
Their statement in this article has a half dozen different reasons for dropping the project. A suspicious number of reasons, and all of them sound more like excuses. You're definitely right about the Ministry of Truth though, because this embarrassment has been in development since 2024.
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 135d
It's cost cutting. They're burning cash faster than they can raise it.
wewbull@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 134d
One product
Brewchin@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 134d
Haha! Sadly, I think that image is probably in Sammy's wank bank... 😬
monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 134d
Yeah, very likely. I suppose the product focus will be government/military. They will get the AI find people to disappear or pick bombing targets. That’s apparently a profitable endeavor.
melfie@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 135d
I’d think that custom AI-generated smut videos would be all the rage. It’s one area where the content being slop shouldn’t matter as much.
Hey, look, that lady has 3 breasts. Aw, here comes Double Dong Danny to get some of that. Man, this is some fucked up shit. Grabs a box of tissues.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 135d
Genuinely curious if you've found a good porn site that isn't already incorporating these. The ones I frequent have them already fairly regularly but they are heavily down voted and have an uncanny valley feel to them that is a real turnoff. Not at all "all the rage"
melfie@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 135d
Not something I’ve actively looked into, quite honestly. Didn’t find the Ripley’s Believe It or Not museum particularly arousing, so I assume it wouldn’t be my jam.
imdoneinteracting@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 135d
melfie@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 135d
That’s a good idea; I’ll be sure and pre-flight next time. Also my mom is dead, so I doubt she would mind. Just one extra worm wiggling around in there.
Lanske@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 135d
"Double Dong Danny", that comment made me spit out my coffee and made my day!
DoubleDongle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 135d
For a few frames, there are actually three, and it turns into something a lot like a hand when he goes for the ass
AppleTea@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 134d
How many people pay for porn though?
The outliers, the people making sure your local furry artist can afford a wacom tablet, they're not gonna drop that money on any old ramshod image thrown together out of statically likely pixels. Who's gonna pay for all the server time needed to generate the lowest quality of the lowest common denominator smut?
Etterra@discuss.online · 14 pts · 135d
Say goodbye to whatever miniscule revenue you were guns get there. The faster these fucking slop bots die the better.
fierysparrow89@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 134d
Not with a DoD contract they won't
TrollTrollrolllol@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 134d
They were getting a taxpayer funded bailout one way or another
moopet@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 134d
God I hate that the younger generations use the word "drop" to mean both "cancel" and "release".
Squizzy@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 134d
I dont think that is generational. Music dropped for generations and so did plans.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 134d
I'm in my 40s and have used it in both contexts for decades
NarrativeBear@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 135d
Wait so the "original" was targeted at children specifically?
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 134d
They mean porn
kikutwo@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 135d
Suck it, Trebeck!
riskable@programming.dev · 8 pts · 135d
What a childish thing.
xSikes@feddit.online · 8 pts · 135d
lol that despite that they need to rely on porn?
lmr0x61@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 135d
Damn, they don’t even think the goonbot will sell? They really must be in a tough spot lmao
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 135d
dammit... I was hoping for ad infested AI girlfriends running skynet would save us from skynet effectiveness at genocide.
FaceDeer@fedia.io · 3 pts · 135d
Yet another area where the big companies are voluntarily leaving money on the table for the open model users to rake in. I approve.
tal@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 135d
Yeah, but the flip side is that it also comes with controversy, and I could imagine that it's more hassle for OpenAI than it's worth.
Plus, there are some scaling issues. There is a varying collection of social norms around the world that vary when it comes to sexuality. Some people are going to get really upset if there's a chatbot that violates their social norms. Some of those social norms change (e.g. the UK just put out that restriction on choking pornography).
And then you've got privacy issues. My own suspicion is that erotica might be a driver for LLMs-on-local-hardware.
Given how much money OpenAI is burning, I'd guess that they really have to get agentic stuff, more-advanced stuff working. And I don't know how much overlap there is on making general-knowledge AI and erotica generation stuff. Like, one point I recall someone making on /r/LocalLLama was that MoEs haven't worked incredibly well with creative writing...but it might be that MoEs are a better approach for problem solving.
Like, I agree that there's demand. And I'm pretty sure that there's gonna be an industry filling that (maybe after hardware prices have come down). But I'm not sure that it's the best bet for OpenAI.
PushButton@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 135d
Drop it, drop it all Altman!
rogsson@piefed.social · 0 pts · 135d
Why is that shitty product being used