no, the vial of poison and radioactive particle connected to a device that breaks the vial when it detects the particle's decay is what makes the cat's state probabilistic. Otherwise it's just a cat in a box
BTW, the state of the cat being probabilistic is meant to be absurd or paradoxical, since Schrodinger's cat is supposed to be a thought experiment against quantum superposition.
Are you also dead because you're guaranteed to die eventually? It's not an experiment of the eventual outcome but the observation of the outcome. While you're observing the cat it has to be alive or dead, it can't be both. But when you stop observing the certainty disappears and the cat is no longer dead or alive but both at the same time.
Quoting directly from Schrödinger’s diaries, Moore revealed that the physicist justified his attraction to girls by considering that, being a genius (which he believed no woman ever could be), he was naturally entitled. “It seems to be the usual thing that men of strong, genuine intellectuality are immensely attracted only by women who, forming the very beginning of the intellectual series, are as nearly connected to the preferred springs of nature as they themselves. Nothing intermediate will do, since no woman will ever approach nearer to genius by intellectual education than some unintellectuals do by birth so to speak.”
No, the cat is one or the other. Radioactive half-life is the point at which there is a 50/50 chance that any single isotope had decayed, and we usually work around that in classical systems by using large sample sizes (a pile of isotopes, it's easy to see that half of it would have decayed). But for one single isotope we aren't observing (or the cat), we need to look at it in terms of probabilities until we observe it
oh god you just made me write the stupidest nerdiest song about schroedinger in about half a second and the chorus goes "and he's got boxes and boxes and boxes of cats/ yeah he's got boxes and boxes and boxes of cats" i feel so ashamed
The cat was Schrödingers example how super positions make no sense in complex organisms. It was a counter-example, yet everyone uses it as if there would be a undead cat in the box.
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neatchee@piefed.social · 88 pts · 135d
Nasty hobitses did not mention radioactive particle decay or poison
vilevial! Cat is just dead dead dead!! Suffocated, starved, sensory deprived cat!MycelialMass@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 134d
*vial
neatchee@piefed.social · 8 pts · 134d
poison is vile, killing cats is vile, I see absolutely no problem here >.>
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 4 pts · 134d
Wait... So the radioactive material or poison is meant to keep the cat alive? 🤔
neatchee@piefed.social · 11 pts · 134d
no, the vial of poison and radioactive particle connected to a device that breaks the vial when it detects the particle's decay is what makes the cat's state probabilistic. Otherwise it's just a cat in a box
caradenada@feddit.cl · 16 pts · 134d
BTW, the state of the cat being probabilistic is meant to be absurd or paradoxical, since Schrodinger's cat is supposed to be a thought experiment against quantum superposition.
neatchee@piefed.social · 6 pts · 134d
Yup. Turns out he was super wrong though and existence is just that fucked up at the quantum level
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 1 pts · 134d
Tell that to your imaginary Gollum that claims without that stuff, the cat is dead. lol
neatchee@piefed.social · 1 pts · 134d
..... it's a sealed box with no holes ..... the cat is very dead or will be very soon
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 134d
it's meant to keep schroedinger away
chaogomu@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 135d
A box without a lid, no way to check on the cat, and no air holes. That cat is dead. It was always going to die.
Saapas@piefed.zip · 28 pts · 135d
Going to, but there was no given time frame. So you don't know if it is dead, yet
Goodeye8@piefed.social · 7 pts · 134d
Are you also dead because you're guaranteed to die eventually? It's not an experiment of the eventual outcome but the observation of the outcome. While you're observing the cat it has to be alive or dead, it can't be both. But when you stop observing the certainty disappears and the cat is no longer dead or alive but both at the same time.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 134d
Depends on the size of the box and how long it’s been
how_we_burned@lemmy.zip · 20 pts · 134d
What's really in the box are the 12 year old girls Schroedinger used to rape
SuspiciousCatThing@pawb.social · 28 pts · 134d
What
Edit: okay yep wow that's true. Damn. Okay. Today's lesson was not in quantum mechanics.
pageflight@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 134d
From Forbes:
TIL. Ugh.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 10 pts · 134d
He in the Trump-Einstein-Files?
white_nrdy@programming.dev · 15 pts · 134d
Yes and no
csolisr@hub.azkware.net · 1 pts · 130d
Schrödinger's Discord Kitties, as it were
ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 135d
Shouldn’t they both be right
PugJesus@piefed.social · 44 pts · 135d
Luckily, Bilbo remembered to add "Answer fully"
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub · 10 pts · 135d
Alive and death at the same time. It's more like asking if the coin is heads or tails when the coin is still spinning.
remotelove@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 135d
Not if they are both wrong.
Bunitonito@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 134d
No, the cat is one or the other. Radioactive half-life is the point at which there is a 50/50 chance that any single isotope had decayed, and we usually work around that in classical systems by using large sample sizes (a pile of isotopes, it's easy to see that half of it would have decayed). But for one single isotope we aren't observing (or the cat), we need to look at it in terms of probabilities until we observe it
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 134d
is the cat a qualifed observer>
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 134d
No, it's a conscientious objector
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 134d
am i a qualified observer[9]?
Slovene85@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 135d
The correct answer is yes.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 135d
wrong again!
Slovene85@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 134d
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
davidgro@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 135d
Eventually dead, from multiple potential causes. Especially with no lid.
jafffacakelemmy@mander.xyz · 7 pts · 134d
just shake the box up a bit. you'll soon know if the cat inside is alive or dead!?
sepi@piefed.social · 6 pts · 135d
Bro the cat is dying
flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 135d
Aren't we all?
Bunitonito@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 134d
... It'd be a lot easier to explain this if Schroedinger had a whole pile of boxes with cats in them
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 134d
oh god you just made me write the stupidest nerdiest song about schroedinger in about half a second and the chorus goes "and he's got boxes and boxes and boxes of cats/ yeah he's got boxes and boxes and boxes of cats" i feel so ashamed
Bunitonito@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 134d
'and half of them are dead / but what about THIS ONE? / nobody knows, nobody knowwwws'
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 134d
YOU HEAR IT TOO
oh gods. i'm going to ask my wife if it's coming out my teeth
edit: she says yes it's coming out your teeth, you're singing
MixOpossum@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 134d
Poor kitty
Xerxos@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 134d
The cat was Schrödingers example how super positions make no sense in complex organisms. It was a counter-example, yet everyone uses it as if there would be a undead cat in the box.