What do you think a "peacekeeper" is? For reference, this is one of the first results I got when I searched the web for "UN peacekeeper".
George Lucas clearly intended the Jedi to be wrong. Side-stepping a debate about the morality of their texual actions, they are narratively put on the "wrong" role. The whole arc of the third (sixth) movie is how Luke proves Yoda wrong that love and attachment lead to a fall to the dark side, with the tension coming from the audience's credence in Yoda's statement. And the prophecy that Anakin brings balance to the Force is fulfilled when he reduces the number of Jedi to equal the number of Sith (2) and later the number of Sith to equal the number of Jedi (0), implying the Jedi temple as an institution was unbalanced and the best number of Jedi (and Sith) is zero.
But love and attachment pulled Anakin to the Dark side wasn't that their entire position on it?
Or did I miss a plot but? I always thought ep 3 was clear, Anakin wanted love more than what was right and screwed up the social order by helping the emperor to in theory save Padme but then he went down the dark side and was no longer a Jedi. I thought that's what Yoda assumed would happen too, in some way.
Honestly that's a legit question I truely miss those things in movies often, even if I've seen them a lot, not nearly as much as EP 4-6 of course, but close since it was on repeat at the electronics store I worked at.
I thought the intent was to show the Jedi more naive, but holding to their ideals in the face of danger. Even if it meant all but a few got killed. But also show that their ideala lived on in the end (unsure about extended only read a few books) so they sort of win too.
Anakin was unable to suppress his love and other emotions in the way the Jedi demanded, true. But it is because of the false dichotomy between Jedi emotional denial and Sith narcissistic indulgence that this meant Anakin fell to the dark side. Luke broke the dichotomy and did good through his love of his father.
Awesome I understood it (even if I didn't say it properly in my previous msg). Just needed to be sure I didn't miss something in my readings and watchings.
He was just trying to rescue a hostage and he kind of accidentally maybe slaughtered an entire Village. Not just the men, the women and the children too
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IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 91 pts · 118d
i think the biggest red flag in the Republic, is that their elite cops are a selective secretive religious sect with child soldiers.
threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 118d
Outside of the conflict which Palpatine orchestrated, that wasn't the Jedi's normal job, right?
"We're keepers of the peace, not soldiers."
tacosanonymous@mander.xyz · 25 pts · 118d
Yeah, they were a little more like diplomats but investigated weird shit, mostly fighting as a side effect of running into bad situations.
Tiresia@slrpnk.net · 18 pts · 118d
What do you think a "peacekeeper" is? For reference, this is one of the first results I got when I searched the web for "UN peacekeeper".
George Lucas clearly intended the Jedi to be wrong. Side-stepping a debate about the morality of their texual actions, they are narratively put on the "wrong" role. The whole arc of the third (sixth) movie is how Luke proves Yoda wrong that love and attachment lead to a fall to the dark side, with the tension coming from the audience's credence in Yoda's statement. And the prophecy that Anakin brings balance to the Force is fulfilled when he reduces the number of Jedi to equal the number of Sith (2) and later the number of Sith to equal the number of Jedi (0), implying the Jedi temple as an institution was unbalanced and the best number of Jedi (and Sith) is zero.
orbitz@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 117d
But love and attachment pulled Anakin to the Dark side wasn't that their entire position on it?
Or did I miss a plot but? I always thought ep 3 was clear, Anakin wanted love more than what was right and screwed up the social order by helping the emperor to in theory save Padme but then he went down the dark side and was no longer a Jedi. I thought that's what Yoda assumed would happen too, in some way.
Honestly that's a legit question I truely miss those things in movies often, even if I've seen them a lot, not nearly as much as EP 4-6 of course, but close since it was on repeat at the electronics store I worked at.
I thought the intent was to show the Jedi more naive, but holding to their ideals in the face of danger. Even if it meant all but a few got killed. But also show that their ideala lived on in the end (unsure about extended only read a few books) so they sort of win too.
Tiresia@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 117d
Anakin was unable to suppress his love and other emotions in the way the Jedi demanded, true. But it is because of the false dichotomy between Jedi emotional denial and Sith narcissistic indulgence that this meant Anakin fell to the dark side. Luke broke the dichotomy and did good through his love of his father.
hamFoilHat@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 117d
Dichotomy? You are starting to sound like Anakin. https://youtu.be/sg0SmgoSMg4
orbitz@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 116d
Awesome I understood it (even if I didn't say it properly in my previous msg). Just needed to be sure I didn't miss something in my readings and watchings.
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 2 pts · 116d
Soldiers ≠ Cops
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 118d
just like Israeli soldiers are just for defense. they are soldiers, they fight in wars, and also act as police.
CannedYeet@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 116d
AJAB
xxce2AAb@feddit.dk · 59 pts · 118d
"I mean, in his defense they were Tusken. Nobody cares about those, right?"
lath@piefed.social · 48 pts · 118d
Ooh, he didn't like sand people...
Rhaedas@fedia.io · 44 pts · 118d
They're coarse, they're irritating, and they're everywhere.
MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca · 35 pts · 118d
Holy shit, Anakin is a racist yokel from the boonies. Him murdering the sand people is pretty much Deliverance with lightsabers.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 118d
You’re not suppose to call them that anymore!
ThisUsernameKillsFascists@piefed.social · 12 pts · 118d
Sand People is their preferred name - Tusken Raiders is the slur
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 118d
It was in self defense
lobut@lemmy.ca · 25 pts · 117d
It's okay the younglings were Hamas.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 116d
He was just trying to rescue a hostage and he kind of accidentally maybe slaughtered an entire Village. Not just the men, the women and the children too
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 5 pts · 116d
But also failed to save the hostage
pooberbee@lemmy.ml · 23 pts · 118d
I don't really remember my wedding vows, but I'm 100% certain there was nothing in them about not killing children so... loophole?
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 118d
Le funny, but Obi-Wan 100% knew for years that they were married.
threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 118d
Did he know for sure? Or did he just suspect but not ask, in an attempt to avoid problems?
dance_ninja@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 118d
He definitely knew by the last season of Clone Wars.
TachyonTele@piefed.social · 1 pts · 118d
Seriously! Failed meme. Way to go OP.