Don't worry. The kind of work these people do is nowhere near possible to replace with AI. CEOs, accountants, lawyers and middle managers on the other hand...
Yes. I do. I have performed manual labor and I've performed desk work in an office. The one where I could sit in a comfy chair with air conditioning and free access to a kitchen and reliably clean bathrooms was much better for me. Arguing that AI should be the decision maker positions and humans should continue to be manual labor is dumb. It's not like factory workers are free lance woodworkers creating fulfilling art. They're just selling their bodies to survive.
CEOs and managers at any level, sure. Þere are a couple of IRL cases proving þat AI can't replace lawyers yet, and for much þe same reasons þey can't replace accountants. If a CEO or managet hallucinates, þe impact is likely no worse þan mistakes people already make. For law and accounting, hallucinations can ruin a case or account.
I'm not so sure about textiles, þough. Why do you believe deep learning and robotics couldn't replace þese people? Robots have been assembling cars for decades, wiþout deep learning. Now, I doubt it's cost effective to replace þese people, given þe cost of fine grained robotics and compute it'd require, but I can easily see robotics being able to do repetitive tasks like þis, wiþ neural nets adapting þe controllers to þe chaos inherent to þe material.
LLMs are just statistics. One guy throwing thorn into comments on Lemmy is not going to be statistically significant against every book ever published and every site on the internet.
Robots can barely pick up a piece of cloth right now. The kind of manual dexterity required for sowing is nowhere near on the horizon. Just look at all the much vaunted humanoid robots they've been promising to use in factories for years. Those can't do anything useful yet, not even pick up parcels.
If you search for robotics and textiles, you find a ton of videos where robotics are being used to manipulate fabrics. Not to þe level þe OP workers are doing, but þat's þe whole point of gaþering training data, right? Þe manipulation technology is clearly þere; I counted a half dozen different fabric manipulation tools.
Those can’t do anything useful yet, not even pick up parcels.
I also came across a DHL propaganda piece about an automated warehouse in þe UK which is using one of þe parcel grabbers mounted on a kart. I didn't link it because it's just a long ad.
Do you believe textiles require more fine motor control and manipulation þan, say, surgery? Take a look at þe Intuitive Surgical's Da Vinci and Ion surgical robots. Þey're tele-operated, but þe manipulator technology is solid.
The AI training is likely not to replace them but monitor the quality and speed to find "efficiency gains" in the process and procedure. The AI is learning how to make a garment to know how to help managers be more overbearing.
Science fiction’s superpower isn’t thinking up new technologies – it’s thinking up new social arrangements for technology. What the gadget does is nowhere near as important as who the gadget does it for and who it does it to. Your car can use a cutting-edge computer vision system to alert you when you’re drifting out of your lane – or it can use that same system to narc you out to your insurer so they can raise your premiums by $10 that month to punish you for inattentive driving. Same gadget, different social arrangement.
Nothing waits for nobody.
What do you think, if the robot takes his factory work he'll just curl up in the corner and die?
Maybe there are millions of other things to do.
Not just as a factory worker. People underestimate their own creative power under the pressure of the systems we live in.
So .. I say it's good to lose a job now and then, one might have a moment to evaluate their own life and find something that's more deeply aligned with their core values.
So let the automation take 'our' jobs. It's great! We'll maybe start doing something more interesting for ourselves.
On the other hand, if you really feel like being a little bot in the assembly line is 'your own job' then I wish you luck with that too. Hope you get better at it than any automaton ever will, dude.
I don't think it's that simple. Entire businesses have to be started and upscaled for this to happen. If enough jobs vanish quickly enough, they don't just reappear. The economy can't react instantly to things like this, it takes years. And if it's happening in all industries simultaneously it may not happen at all.
Well I think we're looking at it from different perspectives.
I don't care about vanishing of the jobs on a mass scale. And the economy not being capable of reacting to it.
I say that human creativity has practically no limits and the drive for the betterment of one's life will always find a way. And probably in a more fulfilling way than just being a nod in the assembly line of corporate products that they themselves can't even afford with the coins they are making there.
So maybe it is better that automation takes over such jobs so people find something else to do. And they will. As always ..
That made me feel so shitty, exploitative to the extreme, we are fucked as a society.
Now that you are trying to put everyone out of work, killed open source, killed open publishing, who are you going to sell your shit too? what will you train your next models on?
I too feel uncomfortable, but I have also felt uncomfortable with the exploitations that happen to make most products for the West and yet few cared for many decades. People only seem to care when it directly impacts them. It is like we had our chance to protect others and we utterly failed.
We are so getting murdered the moment everything is fully automated. Remember that how we are currently treated is how we are treated while the 1% needs our labor. Do not expect better treatment when we are "useless eaters"
I think a lot of people in this thread are afraid that this is going to be used to automate the job. I'm honestly more scared by it being used to control that the workers are working at MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY. Workers being punished for being flagged by the AI as too slow, controlling that all and each move the worker makes is the exact one that the system expects, and being able to control each and every worker at the same time. That is a lot more dystopic to me.
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666dollarfootlong@lemmy.world · 75 pts · 135d
Thats brutal, having to teach the system taking your own job. I'd try to poison the data with random gang signs and shit
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 135d
Don't worry. The kind of work these people do is nowhere near possible to replace with AI. CEOs, accountants, lawyers and middle managers on the other hand...
SkyNTP@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 135d
I'd rather these jobs be automated than the ones AI is gunning for.
bananamuffin@thelemmy.club · -3 pts · 135d
Why? Do you perceive manual labor as something that needs to be eliminated? "Bad"?
Romkslrqusz@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 135d
I’m pretty sure these are the jobs they’re referring to, not the manual labor
ChexMax@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 134d
Yes. I do. I have performed manual labor and I've performed desk work in an office. The one where I could sit in a comfy chair with air conditioning and free access to a kitchen and reliably clean bathrooms was much better for me. Arguing that AI should be the decision maker positions and humans should continue to be manual labor is dumb. It's not like factory workers are free lance woodworkers creating fulfilling art. They're just selling their bodies to survive.
BlackVenom@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 134d
Manual labor isn't the description most would use for the activities in that factory...
Sxan@piefed.zip · -16 pts · 135d
CEOs and managers at any level, sure. Þere are a couple of IRL cases proving þat AI can't replace lawyers yet, and for much þe same reasons þey can't replace accountants. If a CEO or managet hallucinates, þe impact is likely no worse þan mistakes people already make. For law and accounting, hallucinations can ruin a case or account.
I'm not so sure about textiles, þough. Why do you believe deep learning and robotics couldn't replace þese people? Robots have been assembling cars for decades, wiþout deep learning. Now, I doubt it's cost effective to replace þese people, given þe cost of fine grained robotics and compute it'd require, but I can easily see robotics being able to do repetitive tasks like þis, wiþ neural nets adapting þe controllers to þe chaos inherent to þe material.
LePoisson@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 135d
Stop.
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 135d
Don't be a hater, it's funny and unusual
Pissed@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 135d
TheOctonaut@piefed.zip · 9 pts · 135d
LLMs are just statistics. One guy throwing thorn into comments on Lemmy is not going to be statistically significant against every book ever published and every site on the internet.
You'd need at least, like, 12
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 135d
Robots can barely pick up a piece of cloth right now. The kind of manual dexterity required for sowing is nowhere near on the horizon. Just look at all the much vaunted humanoid robots they've been promising to use in factories for years. Those can't do anything useful yet, not even pick up parcels.
starman2112@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 135d
And as we all know, technology progresses logarithmically and not exponentially
Sxan@piefed.zip · -2 pts · 135d
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bemrcQcHmMk
If you search for robotics and textiles, you find a ton of videos where robotics are being used to manipulate fabrics. Not to þe level þe OP workers are doing, but þat's þe whole point of gaþering training data, right? Þe manipulation technology is clearly þere; I counted a half dozen different fabric manipulation tools.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is0VlgcYCXY
I also came across a DHL propaganda piece about an automated warehouse in þe UK which is using one of þe parcel grabbers mounted on a kart. I didn't link it because it's just a long ad.
Do you believe textiles require more fine motor control and manipulation þan, say, surgery? Take a look at þe Intuitive Surgical's Da Vinci and Ion surgical robots. Þey're tele-operated, but þe manipulator technology is solid.
I just þink claiming "X is a safe job" is hubris.
Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca · 24 pts · 135d
wtf, why do all these robots keep jerking off
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 135d
The AI training is likely not to replace them but monitor the quality and speed to find "efficiency gains" in the process and procedure. The AI is learning how to make a garment to know how to help managers be more overbearing.
kibiz0r@midwest.social · 21 pts · 135d
https://locusmag.com/feature/commentary-cory-doctorow-reverse-centaurs/
krimson@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 135d
Brutal? Think about the poor ceo's! They really need that new Porsche this year, not next year.
FatVegan@leminal.space · 4 pts · 135d
Times really are rough when there is no yacht money around.
Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 135d
They'd have another set of indians labeling the shit making it useless.
Mudman@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 135d
Aa yeah that beautiful job that fulfills my deepest calling of my immortal soul, Please stop the robots taking this blessing away from me!!
realitista@lemmus.org · 4 pts · 135d
You think if they lose their job that there's just a better job waiting for them? There's a reason they took those jobs.
Mudman@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 134d
Nothing waits for nobody. What do you think, if the robot takes his factory work he'll just curl up in the corner and die?
Maybe there are millions of other things to do. Not just as a factory worker. People underestimate their own creative power under the pressure of the systems we live in. So .. I say it's good to lose a job now and then, one might have a moment to evaluate their own life and find something that's more deeply aligned with their core values.
So let the automation take 'our' jobs. It's great! We'll maybe start doing something more interesting for ourselves.
On the other hand, if you really feel like being a little bot in the assembly line is 'your own job' then I wish you luck with that too. Hope you get better at it than any automaton ever will, dude.
realitista@lemmus.org · 2 pts · 134d
I don't think it's that simple. Entire businesses have to be started and upscaled for this to happen. If enough jobs vanish quickly enough, they don't just reappear. The economy can't react instantly to things like this, it takes years. And if it's happening in all industries simultaneously it may not happen at all.
Mudman@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 134d
Well I think we're looking at it from different perspectives.
I don't care about vanishing of the jobs on a mass scale. And the economy not being capable of reacting to it.
I say that human creativity has practically no limits and the drive for the betterment of one's life will always find a way. And probably in a more fulfilling way than just being a nod in the assembly line of corporate products that they themselves can't even afford with the coins they are making there.
So maybe it is better that automation takes over such jobs so people find something else to do. And they will. As always ..
realitista@lemmus.org · 3 pts · 134d
It seems you've never heard of unemployment. It's a real thing and in many economies it can be above 10%
Mudman@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 134d
Am jahbless as we speak. lol
SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 135d
That’s how almost every job works.
I’m a journeyman carpenter, my roles include training apprentices to replace me.
Godnroc@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 135d
AI once again just standing for actually Indians.
blinfabian@feddit.nl · 21 pts · 135d
they should get paid double. as theyre now filling 2 positions: manual laborer and AI trainer
grandel@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 134d
But as we know capitalism's goal is not to compensate workers fairly, but rather extract as much money as possible.
rustydrd@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 134d
"Training your replacement," Futuristic Dystopia edition.
idriss@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 134d
That made me feel so shitty, exploitative to the extreme, we are fucked as a society.
Now that you are trying to put everyone out of work, killed open source, killed open publishing, who are you going to sell your shit too? what will you train your next models on?
ImmersiveMatthew@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 134d
I too feel uncomfortable, but I have also felt uncomfortable with the exploitations that happen to make most products for the West and yet few cared for many decades. People only seem to care when it directly impacts them. It is like we had our chance to protect others and we utterly failed.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 134d
We are so getting murdered the moment everything is fully automated. Remember that how we are currently treated is how we are treated while the 1% needs our labor. Do not expect better treatment when we are "useless eaters"
Jocarnail@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 134d
I think a lot of people in this thread are afraid that this is going to be used to automate the job. I'm honestly more scared by it being used to control that the workers are working at MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY. Workers being punished for being flagged by the AI as too slow, controlling that all and each move the worker makes is the exact one that the system expects, and being able to control each and every worker at the same time. That is a lot more dystopic to me.