The bronze age copper industry was very unforgiving. You deliver reduced purity copper ingots once and suddenly there's tablets all over the place telling everyone about it. Not that it affected sales; demand for copper was always high. But every single customer makes a comment about the purity.
I curse them all to be wiped out by mysterious alien invaders from across the sea!
Ben Rich, aeronautical engineer and second head of Lockeed's Skunkworks after Kelly Johnson mentions Harvard Business School in his autobiography. He was apparently sent to a program they taught there for professionals already working in industry to become more business savvy. Kelly Johnson sent Ben Rich to this program, and when Rich got back, Johnson asked him what he learned. He said "Okay let me show you." and he turned to the blackboard and wrote "2/3 HBS = BS" on the blackboard.
I hear the chapter called "your girlfriend is studying abroad with stinky Frenchmen, and other pick-me scenarios to ruin your 20s" is particularly riveting.
That being said, it's important to know how to sanity-check the math, especially in the era of Copilot in Excel. We just found that our company's configuration enables it by default on new workbooks, as we found when it was just...making up numbers when asked to do simple addition.
Did you like those fancy tools they gave you in school? You can cling to your memories of them as you attempt to recreate their functionality in excel without your boss noticing that you're wasting time on this
There needs to be a required summer semester of engineering school called "being a mechanic."
Okay college boy, put on a shirt with your name embroidered on it and come out here into the shop. Yeah it's 110 degrees in the shade, you've got your buddy Tom Midgly Jr. to thank for that. Now take this wrench and take that bolt out. Oh it doesn't come out because the oil pan is in the way? I wonder whose fault that is. No, we're not gonna let it cool before dropping the oil pan, the customer is in the lobby. Yeah. It is 240 degrees. No, it doesn't all drain out through the plug, there's a half quart that doesn't come out. Yes, you're getting that on you. Don't get any of it on the interior of the car when you back it out. Now take off the oil filter. Yes, you're gonna burn the back of your hand on the exhaust manifold. You're taking every Toyota oil filter off this summer. You're gonna hold the burn mark on the back of your hand up like Tyler Durden.
Oh you're going to be an aeronautical engineer. c'mere boy, we're gonna take the wings off a 152 Aerobat, you get to pick the spar bolts out of the catalog, we'll safety wire the control cable turnbuckles through those little inspection ports you types are so stingy with, and then we'll take the bird you just reassembled up for a couple two or three hours of spin training to see if ya done it right. You ever do a snap roll? I'll teach you more about the aerodynamics of maneuvering flight in 1.5 seconds than your physics professor did in a semester. Eat bananas for breakfast, they taste the same coming up as they do going down. And buddy they're coming back up. Because of the special jug bolt wrench I had to buy, I'm gonna pull at least one breakfast back out of your face using nothing but stick and rudder.
While I agree with what you say, the mechanics should also be involved in solving the problem of making all those easily accessible withing the constrains of the projects. It would give insight both ways
White collar engineers? Paying attention to blue collar techs? That's the plot of the next Andy Weir novel, isn't it? A hilariously naive notion of people working together to solve problems? Sounds like his work.
Boeing actually did this when they designed the 777. They were the first manufacturer to hire a Chief Mechanic to participate in the design process. His name is Jack Hessburg.
In his role as chief mechanic at Boeing, Hessburg led a group of more than 100 mechanics in designing features into the 777 that have made it one of the most mechanic-friendly airplanes in the world.
"can you make this green a little bit more like the feeling of biting a butterfly? and also rewrite the copy to make it more crunchy. You have 1 hour, yes I know it's 3am"
No, I've only ever heard things like that in a comedy sketch making fun of art. I guess I went to a better art school than you. Was your award given by journalists or artists?
none of those things you said were criticisms, they were all commands. That would never get said at an art school because they couldn't give 2 shits what you hand in because it's all about how you defend your bullshit art in a critique.
perhaps your subjective experience is not the same as mine, and similarly, what I've experienced is not as universal as I hoped and my joking little comment about what it's like to get unusual feedback doesn't land with you - or anyone perhaps on this forum
and thats OK. My apologies if it didn't resonate, but also I don't think either of us will get any more out of bickering.
Perhaps I can back too harsh, but I hear that response anytime I bring up art in front of engineers. It isn't funny, is mainly lies and is meant to denegrate the whole occupation of art. If you're an artist hold the standard higher please.
Engineers tend to get trapped between their calipers. They need to look holistically at the entire package. They need to play with things and think about their meaning and purpose. They need to analyze their decisions in the context of the human experience. They need to be free to experiment without technical restraints so they can push against the boundaries of what's "possible". Art is fast and fun. Design is smotth and calculated.
This guy is the perfect example. He gets this "great idea", mills up a giant block of aluminum, spends 10 days faffing around, then throws it in the bin and starts over. Dude needs to sketch some shit and play with cardboard and clay and get his thoughts together before running to spin up his favorite tool.
You forgot to make them crawl into the wing wearing breathing ppe on a hot day to seal an integral fuel tank.
On a side note, I just changed the oil and filter on a Toyota yesterday. The only pain in the ass about it is that the damn mechanics completely ignored the torque requirement and overtightened the cartridge housing. I had to use an impact to remove something only supposed to be torqued to 18 ft lb. Otherwise everything is easy to access.
I couldn't solve all the world's problems if I was given this power, but it would make people who are damaged in the same way I am laugh for a couple months out of the year.
I studied electrical engineering, I had to do a mandatory internship of 10 weeks. Pretty sure the mechanical engineers had to do one too, but I suppose this varies a lot across countries.
I love factorio. I've owned it before they even had building rockets in the game. Played the shit out of it.
I dont know if its cause the game got more expansive and complicated, or if I just got old and stupid.. but I just cant play it anymore. I can get a base started.. but after an hour or 3 I just start struggling and give up.
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ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com · 133 pts · 121d
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 121d
According to my experience, the left one does not amount to much.
Gonzako@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 120d
Yeah, books can't teach you nepotism
lugal@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 121d
No chapter about Late Sumerian?
BodilessGaze@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 119d
They yanked the chapter about selling copper because it got bad reviews
lugal@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 119d
Instruction unclear. Did the chapter get bad reviews or the copper?
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 119d
The bronze age copper industry was very unforgiving. You deliver reduced purity copper ingots once and suddenly there's tablets all over the place telling everyone about it. Not that it affected sales; demand for copper was always high. But every single customer makes a comment about the purity.
I curse them all to be wiped out by mysterious alien invaders from across the sea!
Million@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 119d
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 120d
Ben Rich, aeronautical engineer and second head of Lockeed's Skunkworks after Kelly Johnson mentions Harvard Business School in his autobiography. He was apparently sent to a program they taught there for professionals already working in industry to become more business savvy. Kelly Johnson sent Ben Rich to this program, and when Rich got back, Johnson asked him what he learned. He said "Okay let me show you." and he turned to the blackboard and wrote "2/3 HBS = BS" on the blackboard.
gigastasio@sh.itjust.works · 75 pts · 121d
Except what they teach you in engineering school, apparently.
expatriado@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 121d
i stayed awake for at least 20% of lecture time, so there is that
socsa@piefed.social · 3 pts · 120d
I hear the chapter called "your girlfriend is studying abroad with stinky Frenchmen, and other pick-me scenarios to ruin your 20s" is particularly riveting.
Gork@sopuli.xyz · 48 pts · 121d
All that math you learned? Forget it. You're in spreadsheet land now.
Mirshe@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 121d
That being said, it's important to know how to sanity-check the math, especially in the era of Copilot in Excel. We just found that our company's configuration enables it by default on new workbooks, as we found when it was just...making up numbers when asked to do simple addition.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 121d
Year 2194:
magnue@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 119d
Stawberries
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 120d
Did you like those fancy tools they gave you in school? You can cling to your memories of them as you attempt to recreate their functionality in excel without your boss noticing that you're wasting time on this
bstix@feddit.dk · 2 pts · 119d
I had a programmer giving up on a task today and had to resort to VBA in Excel.
Excel is a shit program and Visual Basic is a shit language, but if you combine them, you can do things that are impossible in any other way.
Someone once said that you can make Excel do anything except coffee. I disagree. It can probably make coffee too.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 38 pts · 121d
There needs to be a required summer semester of engineering school called "being a mechanic."
Okay college boy, put on a shirt with your name embroidered on it and come out here into the shop. Yeah it's 110 degrees in the shade, you've got your buddy Tom Midgly Jr. to thank for that. Now take this wrench and take that bolt out. Oh it doesn't come out because the oil pan is in the way? I wonder whose fault that is. No, we're not gonna let it cool before dropping the oil pan, the customer is in the lobby. Yeah. It is 240 degrees. No, it doesn't all drain out through the plug, there's a half quart that doesn't come out. Yes, you're getting that on you. Don't get any of it on the interior of the car when you back it out. Now take off the oil filter. Yes, you're gonna burn the back of your hand on the exhaust manifold. You're taking every Toyota oil filter off this summer. You're gonna hold the burn mark on the back of your hand up like Tyler Durden.
Oh you're going to be an aeronautical engineer. c'mere boy, we're gonna take the wings off a 152 Aerobat, you get to pick the spar bolts out of the catalog, we'll safety wire the control cable turnbuckles through those little inspection ports you types are so stingy with, and then we'll take the bird you just reassembled up for a couple two or three hours of spin training to see if ya done it right. You ever do a snap roll? I'll teach you more about the aerodynamics of maneuvering flight in 1.5 seconds than your physics professor did in a semester. Eat bananas for breakfast, they taste the same coming up as they do going down. And buddy they're coming back up. Because of the special jug bolt wrench I had to buy, I'm gonna pull at least one breakfast back out of your face using nothing but stick and rudder.
lauha@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 121d
While I agree with what you say, the mechanics should also be involved in solving the problem of making all those easily accessible withing the constrains of the projects. It would give insight both ways
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 121d
White collar engineers? Paying attention to blue collar techs? That's the plot of the next Andy Weir novel, isn't it? A hilariously naive notion of people working together to solve problems? Sounds like his work.
Techranger@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 120d
Boeing actually did this when they designed the 777. They were the first manufacturer to hire a Chief Mechanic to participate in the design process. His name is Jack Hessburg.
https://boeing.mediaroom.com/1999-04-27-Boeing-Chief-Mechanic-Earns-Lifetime-Achievement-Award
Peppycito@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 120d
Good lesson plan. Then make them take some art and design courses.
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 120d
"can you make this green a little bit more like the feeling of biting a butterfly? and also rewrite the copy to make it more crunchy. You have 1 hour, yes I know it's 3am"
Peppycito@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 120d
Tell me you've never taken an art course
without telling me you've never taken an art courseby being a condescending prickfunkless_eck@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 120d
you've never been in a situation like that? I have as a clown, a musician, a performance artist, a graphic designer and a marketer.
And I worked in art criticism for a national newspaper for which I won a journalism award lol
Peppycito@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 120d
No, I've only ever heard things like that in a comedy sketch making fun of art. I guess I went to a better art school than you. Was your award given by journalists or artists?
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 120d
perhaps your subjective experience is not the same as mine, and similarly, what I've experienced is not as universal as I hoped and my joking little comment about what it's like to get unusual feedback doesn't land with you - or anyone perhaps on this forum
and thats OK. My apologies if it didn't resonate, but also I don't think either of us will get any more out of bickering.
Peppycito@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 120d
Perhaps I can back too harsh, but I hear that response anytime I bring up art in front of engineers. It isn't funny, is mainly lies and is meant to denegrate the whole occupation of art. If you're an artist hold the standard higher please.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 120d
So, explain why you think this is anything other than a waste of time for engineering students?
Peppycito@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 120d
Engineers tend to get trapped between their calipers. They need to look holistically at the entire package. They need to play with things and think about their meaning and purpose. They need to analyze their decisions in the context of the human experience. They need to be free to experiment without technical restraints so they can push against the boundaries of what's "possible". Art is fast and fun. Design is smotth and calculated.
This guy is the perfect example. He gets this "great idea", mills up a giant block of aluminum, spends 10 days faffing around, then throws it in the bin and starts over. Dude needs to sketch some shit and play with cardboard and clay and get his thoughts together before running to spin up his favorite tool.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 120d
You forgot to make them crawl into the wing wearing breathing ppe on a hot day to seal an integral fuel tank.
On a side note, I just changed the oil and filter on a Toyota yesterday. The only pain in the ass about it is that the damn mechanics completely ignored the torque requirement and overtightened the cartridge housing. I had to use an impact to remove something only supposed to be torqued to 18 ft lb. Otherwise everything is easy to access.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 120d
LMAO, I'd never get PPE, unless someone died on the job first. That's what it takes.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 121d
I couldn't solve all the world's problems if I was given this power, but it would make people who are damaged in the same way I am laugh for a couple months out of the year.
ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 119d
Generational toxic mechsulinity
zaphod@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 119d
I studied electrical engineering, I had to do a mandatory internship of 10 weeks. Pretty sure the mechanical engineers had to do one too, but I suppose this varies a lot across countries.
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 120d
lennee@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 121d
could be a cook book
MrMeowMeow@mander.xyz · 17 pts · 121d
It might be nothing but gardening tips
sundray@lemmus.org · 14 pts · 121d
It's probably a concise history of Italian opera.
smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 121d
It's the basics of the Klingon language, including pronunciation, syntax, and vocabulary.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 121d
nah, it's usually bomb recipes.
MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 120d
Guess I'm a whole day late on a simalar joke...
polite_cat@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 119d
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 119d
I love factorio. I've owned it before they even had building rockets in the game. Played the shit out of it.
I dont know if its cause the game got more expansive and complicated, or if I just got old and stupid.. but I just cant play it anymore. I can get a base started.. but after an hour or 3 I just start struggling and give up.
I miss factorio.
peanuts4life@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 119d
Bro don't exaggerate, Factorio came out in early access in 2016. That's only... 10... Years ago... 💀💀💀💀💀💀
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 119d
WandowsVista@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 119d
between that and an actual engineering school book, you'd have access to all the knowledge in the known universe
JennaR8r@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 119d
Yeah seriously that book he's holding in his hand seems quite small for all the information it claims to contain.
WandowsVista@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 119d
Chapter 1: The Social Sciences
StarvingMartist@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 121d
Godspeed, I recently dropped out of engineering to go back into art, shits hard, you're smart
PagPag@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 121d
Good call.
Bakkoda@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 121d
You know what they call an engineer who finished last in their class?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 121d
A public servant? Lol jk
Bakkoda@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 120d
The answer is an engineer.
Spur4383@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 121d
Egninear?
Nomad@infosec.pub · 4 pts · 121d
Stubborn?
socsa@piefed.social · 3 pts · 120d
Patent examiner
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 120d
An asshole who was notably dead weight in every project?
m4xie@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 119d
Not engineer. It takes a few more years in industry and some more exams to get your P. Eng.
We often go into adjacent fields.
Rivermoonwolf@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 119d
Turn it off and turn it back on?
jeffep@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 119d
I so wish this is a book about Humanities
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 121d
That picture does not show the really important information. Is it a brochure, or is it a foot-thick book?
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 115d
If a professor at engineering school assigned this book, would it create a paradox?
MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 120d
In before the book is all about cooking tips and tricks
hypeerror@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 119d
How to interact with other humans.