Trump is one symptom of much deeper corruption in our political system. One that transcends party lines. Politician's are bought by monied interests and no longer serve the people in most cases.
If we cant get the money out of politics it's only a matter of time till another despot rises.
The fundamental problem here is capitalism because it's a system designed to concentrate wealth in the hands of the few. As long as capitalist relations remain, nothing will change.
Trump represents the worst aspects in the USA and nearly everyone has a little bit of it in them. Just that the more self aware of us and compassionate have far less.
Whoever has a brain, a gun and less than $1 million in the bank. Hell, even some uber-rich folks might join the cause.
And besides, if anyone has a gun problem, it's America. Might as well make that bug into a feature. Y'know, wrong clock right twice or whatever.
If the rulers end up getting shot and school shootings give way to senate, town hall and courtroom shootings, maybe a positive change would come. If nothing else, guns would get controlled which would mean less school shootings judging by the Brian Thompson case.
And just to say - I'm not preaching political violence. What I am saying is that a bunch of dead adults is teeny tiny bit less terrible than a bunch of dead kids.
What you're describing is a systemic collapse, and I think that is the most likely scenario in the long run. I was merely pointing out that there is no path to hold the oligarchs accountable within the framework of the current system.
That's the thing, we didn't punish the confederates. Sure, we got the "government", but not the planter class that instigated the war in the first place.
Then Lincoln got shot and Johnson, their butt boy, let them off the hook. They got to keep their land, and more importantly, their political power, all at the cost of enfranchising formerly enslaved people.
Then they proceeded to morph their classical slavery into modern slavery.
Every time an "elite" committed high treason in American history, they just get to walk, and all the working class people that get caught in the mayhem get fucked.
It's happening even now. Maxwell is the only person imprisoned for the largest child sex trafficking coverup in world history.
Fascism is capitalism in decay. The internal contradictions of capitalism become too much and it starts to collapse in in itself. To prevent this, it begins using the techniques of control perfected in its colonies to maintain control in the imperial core, that's what you're seeing now
The only way to stop it, and the only way to prevent it from getting much, much worse is to end capitalism and overthrow the capitalist government that is ready, willing, and happy to shift into fascism mode as soon as the line stops going up
Someone else mentioned ranked choice and/or STAR voting. That's a good one too for sure.
Maybe Democratic candidates not being dogshit-levels of unappealing to Democrats. Supporting Israel's actions and telling anti-genocide protesters "excuse me I'm listening." Being old as shit and swapping candidates after the primary. Trying so hard to pander to the center that they end up as far right as Republicans. It should have been pretty hard for Democrats to lose in 2024, but Democrats bent over backwards in every possible way to do so.
Impeaching and convicting Trump would go a long way toward improving Democrats' relationship with their base too.
Nothing short of a complete cultural shift will prevent that. A plurality of Americans are undereducated. To them, a tough talking Just Plain Folks poser is catnip.
Sorry sweaty that's simply out of the realm of mature adult possibility for some fucking reason. I will now be accusing you of being a secret trump supporter or citizen of Russia, two things which are equally bad.
I couldn't support a DUMBocrat because they bombed brown people. The only choice I had was to support racism, gutting lgbt rights, doubling down on fossil fuel dependence, bombing the same brown people the DUMBocrats bombed, gutting environmental protections, naked transphobia, raping children, bombing even more more brown people, and gutting the already under funded social services the US has. I'm not a Trump supporter though, I just helped him win the presidency.
We won't. They are entrenching themselves by buying up news outlets, influencing social media algorithms, pushing American exceptionalism and jingoism in the classrooms.
Thats the fun part! With all this microplastics in our brains, anyone can be completely insane, and still elected president! I plan to run for president with the campaign slogan "Fuck you, everybody dies".
Set up a working Democratic government that actually does something people recognize as good for them. So far, Dems are mostly known for bickering, not creating.
That's not the problem. The problem is a far right kook that runs his campaign on 'no foreign wars' then does the exact opposite.
So elect who you want, but keep to yourself stay out of other nations business for once.
unfortunately it means voting for the non kook and for some folks that is a bridge to far. trump did not win by getting more votes than biden did in 2020. He won by harris getting almost as little as he did in 2020.
Yeah I guess having an actual primary where the party doesn't just cheat to annoint a donor friendly genocide enthusiast would look too much like democracy for the Democratic party to ever tolerate.
In 2020? Sure, now see the rest of that sentence about the party not cheating to annoint a donor friendly genocide enthusiast.
Or so you think it's totally normal that 4 people quit the night before Super Tuesday, moving Biden from 6th to first? Or that Warren held on long past the point where she had no chance to ensure the anti establishment vote got split? Certainly the late night phone calls Obama made to every establishment candidate polling ahead of Biden were a coincidence. And the Dem leadership adjacent members who've said on the record that Biden was chosen to stop Bernie and not Trump, that's just regular party squabbles, right?
Do you really think the DNC has run a fair and free primary in the last 10 years?
Blame individuals for quiting. They are the ones that did it. The people you are complaining about were the alternatives to vote for. If the action is so bad then why would you want to vote for them?
I blame the party for offering them inducements to quit and making it know they'd ratfuck anyone who didn't go along with the plan.
But mostly I blame Blue MAGA cultists who've kept their eyes squeezed tight shut any time their party is just as bad as the other one and every time the party has played dirty tricks to keep its donors happy at the expense of its voters. Because y'all are the ones letting them get away with it and continuing to reward the behavior with your vote.
44 Comments
Maiq@piefed.social · 38 pts · 116d
Trump is one symptom of much deeper corruption in our political system. One that transcends party lines. Politician's are bought by monied interests and no longer serve the people in most cases.
If we cant get the money out of politics it's only a matter of time till another despot rises.
yogthos@lemmy.ml · 28 pts · 116d
The fundamental problem here is capitalism because it's a system designed to concentrate wealth in the hands of the few. As long as capitalist relations remain, nothing will change.
LuckyFogic@kbin.earth · 4 pts · 116d
Make Equity Private Again
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 115d
Trump represents the worst aspects in the USA and nearly everyone has a little bit of it in them. Just that the more self aware of us and compassionate have far less.
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 115d
It's not just politics. There's an empathy deficiency across the entire nation. Toxic individualism will always lead down this road.
RaoulDuke85@piefed.social · 37 pts · 116d
Hang em all. Punish them. That's what we did wrong with the Confederate losers.
yogthos@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 116d
Who's going to do that exactly? They are your ruling class, and that makes them immune to their own laws.
krashmo@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 116d
If the system won't do it the people can. That's always been on the table
yogthos@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 116d
indeed https://redsails.org/witbd-rs-abridged/
unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 116d
Whoever has a brain, a gun and less than $1 million in the bank. Hell, even some uber-rich folks might join the cause.
And besides, if anyone has a gun problem, it's America. Might as well make that bug into a feature. Y'know, wrong clock right twice or whatever.
If the rulers end up getting shot and school shootings give way to senate, town hall and courtroom shootings, maybe a positive change would come. If nothing else, guns would get controlled which would mean less school shootings judging by the Brian Thompson case.
And just to say - I'm not preaching political violence. What I am saying is that a bunch of dead adults is teeny tiny bit less terrible than a bunch of dead kids.
yogthos@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 116d
What you're describing is a systemic collapse, and I think that is the most likely scenario in the long run. I was merely pointing out that there is no path to hold the oligarchs accountable within the framework of the current system.
TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 116d
this is the correct answer
GirthBrooksPLO@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 115d
That's the thing, we didn't punish the confederates. Sure, we got the "government", but not the planter class that instigated the war in the first place. Then Lincoln got shot and Johnson, their butt boy, let them off the hook. They got to keep their land, and more importantly, their political power, all at the cost of enfranchising formerly enslaved people. Then they proceeded to morph their classical slavery into modern slavery.
Every time an "elite" committed high treason in American history, they just get to walk, and all the working class people that get caught in the mayhem get fucked.
It's happening even now. Maxwell is the only person imprisoned for the largest child sex trafficking coverup in world history.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 25 pts · 116d
Revolution and the establishment of socialism.
imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works · -17 pts · 116d
DudleyMason@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 116d
Fascism is capitalism in decay. The internal contradictions of capitalism become too much and it starts to collapse in in itself. To prevent this, it begins using the techniques of control perfected in its colonies to maintain control in the imperial core, that's what you're seeing now
The only way to stop it, and the only way to prevent it from getting much, much worse is to end capitalism and overthrow the capitalist government that is ready, willing, and happy to shift into fascism mode as soon as the line stops going up
TootSweet@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 116d
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 116d
Nothing short of a complete cultural shift will prevent that. A plurality of Americans are undereducated. To them, a tough talking Just Plain Folks poser is catnip.
antisoumerde@quokk.au · 9 pts · 116d
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 116d
Sorry sweaty that's simply out of the realm of mature adult possibility for some fucking reason. I will now be accusing you of being a secret trump supporter or citizen of Russia, two things which are equally bad.
antisoumerde@quokk.au · 8 pts · 116d
calmblue75@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 115d
Or even worse, a Russian bot!
sunrisepirate@piefed.social · 0 pts · 114d
zealouscurmedgeon@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 116d
We won't. They are entrenching themselves by buying up news outlets, influencing social media algorithms, pushing American exceptionalism and jingoism in the classrooms.
thatsnomayo@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 116d
How do we get you glib mfs to stop pretending Obama & Biden didn't build these camps
SpicyLizards@reddthat.com · 8 pts · 116d
Invest in education and build a sustainable, equal, and liveable society?
mrdown@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 116d
Lifetime jail or even execution
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 116d
Thats the fun part! With all this microplastics in our brains, anyone can be completely insane, and still elected president! I plan to run for president with the campaign slogan "Fuck you, everybody dies".
I assume I'll win by a landslide.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 115d
One thing is to not have two conservative parties, or any parties, and have it ranked choice voting is a good step in the right direction.
GreenTea@lemmy.org · 1 pts · 115d
Proportional representation would make a huge difference. Either STV, or STV, or party lists. Any proportional system would be good.
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 115d
Fix education
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 115d
Set up a working Democratic government that actually does something people recognize as good for them. So far, Dems are mostly known for bickering, not creating.
SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 115d
Chuck out our outdated trashfire of a constitution, for one thing
minorkeys@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 116d
Make ppls lives better by dealing with your massively corrupt billionaire class.
bacon_pdp@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 116d
sakuraba@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 116d
You don't miss the shot next time
knee@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 116d
That's not the problem. The problem is a far right kook that runs his campaign on 'no foreign wars' then does the exact opposite. So elect who you want, but keep to yourself stay out of other nations business for once.
HubertManne@piefed.social · -9 pts · 116d
unfortunately it means voting for the non kook and for some folks that is a bridge to far. trump did not win by getting more votes than biden did in 2020. He won by harris getting almost as little as he did in 2020.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 116d
But if you vote for a someone who isn't a right wing kook, the libs will yell at you for voting third party
antisoumerde@quokk.au · 10 pts · 116d
HubertManne@piefed.social · -5 pts · 116d
yeah good thing the non voting completely stopped it or made it not more worse.
DudleyMason@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 116d
Yeah I guess having an actual primary where the party doesn't just cheat to annoint a donor friendly genocide enthusiast would look too much like democracy for the Democratic party to ever tolerate.
HubertManne@piefed.social · -2 pts · 116d
I voted in an actual primary for the biden ticket. Do you actually think multiple primaries in a year are a realistic thing?
DudleyMason@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 115d
In 2024? I doubt it.
In 2020? Sure, now see the rest of that sentence about the party not cheating to annoint a donor friendly genocide enthusiast.
Or so you think it's totally normal that 4 people quit the night before Super Tuesday, moving Biden from 6th to first? Or that Warren held on long past the point where she had no chance to ensure the anti establishment vote got split? Certainly the late night phone calls Obama made to every establishment candidate polling ahead of Biden were a coincidence. And the Dem leadership adjacent members who've said on the record that Biden was chosen to stop Bernie and not Trump, that's just regular party squabbles, right?
Do you really think the DNC has run a fair and free primary in the last 10 years?
HubertManne@piefed.social · -3 pts · 115d
Blame individuals for quiting. They are the ones that did it. The people you are complaining about were the alternatives to vote for. If the action is so bad then why would you want to vote for them?
DudleyMason@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 115d
I blame the party for offering them inducements to quit and making it know they'd ratfuck anyone who didn't go along with the plan.
But mostly I blame Blue MAGA cultists who've kept their eyes squeezed tight shut any time their party is just as bad as the other one and every time the party has played dirty tricks to keep its donors happy at the expense of its voters. Because y'all are the ones letting them get away with it and continuing to reward the behavior with your vote.
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 116d
Free Palestine