Texas can require the Ten Commandments to be displayed in public school classrooms, a U.S. appeals court ruled Tuesday in a victory for conservatives who have long sought to incorporate more religion into schools.
The ruling sets up a potential clash at the U.S. Supreme Court over the issue in the future. Arkansas and Louisiana have passed similar laws, which have also been challenged in courts.
And Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey signed a similar law earlier this moth.
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iThinkDifferentThanU@lemmy.world · 87 pts · 118d
SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 118d
You are safe here, you can let it all out. We don't mind.
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 118d
It's the 5th, they're all insane
BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 118d
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artyom@piefed.social · 79 pts · 118d
Notably, the law does NOT say that you cannot display the Five Yamas, the Four Noble Truths, the Ten Precepts of Taoism, Five Pillars of Islam, etc., alongside them. That's what I'd be doing, were I a teacher.
SailorFuzz@lemmy.world · 60 pts · 118d
Don't forget the Seven Tenets of Satanism
Deconceptualist@leminal.space · 9 pts · 118d
And the Pentabarf!
fartographer@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 118d
These are the ones I'd want to post. But, honestly, I'm scared. In any other state, or in the private sector, I'm woefully unqualified, and can't afford to lose my job. Most likely, I'd eventually be vindicated in the courts, but I'd be fired and destitute well before that.
artyom@piefed.social · -40 pts · 118d
Might be going a bit too far. The point is educate kids that Christianity is not the only religion. Putting that up might delegitimize the argument.
erzdt@piefed.social · 16 pts · 118d
Did you read them? They seem less problematic than the ten commandments to me.
artyom@piefed.social · -33 pts · 118d
No, because what they say is not relevant.
erzdt@piefed.social · 14 pts · 118d
If they would be written in a poster on a wall it would matter. At least to anyone who actually sees them.
artyom@piefed.social · -21 pts · 118d
It wouldn't matter to the people that matter. The people creating this legislation in the first place.
You are too concerned with being right and not concerned enough about protecting children from indoctrination.
They can't denigrate text from Taoism and claim it's not suppression of religious freedom, but they can totally point at text from a meme religion as proof that your argument is not serious.
TheTetrapod@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 118d
The Satanic Temple is a non-religious civil rights organization, and this has been their primary tactic for years because it works. When you point out to John Q. Public that allowing the 10 Commandments into classrooms will also open the doors to the 7 Tenets of Satanism, it either causes a reversal of course or bulldozes a path for wider religious acceptance.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 118d
Maybe try reading them first.
artyom@piefed.social · -13 pts · 118d
I think you may have missed the part where I said what they say is not relevant. It was 90% of the message you just replied to.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 118d
It's almost like you are afraid, it's weird.
I don't consider myself a Satanist, but their seven tenets are nearly impossible to argue against.
Here let me do you a favor and just paste them here for you:
I
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
V
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
Throbbing_banjo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 118d
Why?
artyom@piefed.social · -24 pts · 118d
Why? Really? It's a fake religion. Not like most fake religions but like even they don't even believe in it.
Throbbing_banjo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 118d
I keep waiting for the punchline here
artyom@piefed.social · -10 pts · 118d
...from whom?
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 21 pts · 118d
There was a malicious compliance post where the 10 commandments were posted but it was in Arabic.
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meco03211@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 118d
The Eight I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts.
MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 118d
Can you display a text saying "Christianity is false"?
Worthess@discuss.online · 5 pts · 118d
Or a student, or a guest speaker...
foggy@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 118d
And make the 10 commandments really really small. Perhaps hand written by a student with bad handwriting. In Spanish. With yellow ink on beige paper.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 118d
I'd go with like Klingon or something. I'm sure there are plenty of Spanish speakers in Texas. Probably a lot fewer who can read Klingon.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 118d
That's what I would be doing, if I were a student.
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world · 55 pts · 118d
The judges justification was that displaying the 100% religious material does not force students to read or affirm the religious content. So, I'm looking forward to the Satanic Temple's suit to allow them to display their own tenets now that school walls are an open forum for religious materials that are legally not pushing their religiousity on students. They're a hell of a lot better a set of tenets anyway.
The tenets: https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets?srsltid=AfmBOorp3jTMgXS23ZsM-AJANSPyJFplv4WLlu4DgfJuuh4RNBOPVpoB
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 115d
Also, these are the people who think having openly gay people on tv is indoctrinating kids
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 115d
It technically is forcing them to read it. The way the human brain works, if you know how to read and you see writing, you typically physically can't stop yourself from reading it
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 115d
I like these better than the ten commandments. I especially like number 6
null@lemmy.org · 39 pts · 118d
Someone light the beacon for The Satanic Temple.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 118d
The law specifies that this is ONLY for the Ten Commandments. Blatant disregard for separation aside, there's not much other faiths can do to balance the scales unless their document also happens to be called the Ten Commandments
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 118d
Seems like they should make a document called Ten Commandments then lol
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 118d
I get what youre saying but we both know they don't care about being hypocrites
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 118d
That does not matter. It's the courts to decide.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 118d
And the courts are hypocrites, see this ruling about blatant disregard for the 1st amendement
danc4498@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 118d
Maybe this will make children question the morality of right wing politicians more.
Why has Trump broken all 10 commandments, for instance.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 118d
trump treated it like a to-do list until he got all ten.
Donjuanme@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 118d
That's the way I want to see it, 10 commandments with examples of how federal and local politicians have violated them.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 5 pts · 118d
A daily morning pledge to a flag definitely turned me against the State as a propaganda bullshit machine.
...But I'm afraid most people just got brainwashed and thought I was weird for abstaining.
danc4498@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 118d
Yeah, it truly is weird. I genuinely forgot about this until I was at my son’s school one day that early.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 118d
Please tell him how weird it is, so he can put it in context
DragonAce@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 118d
How in the fuck can any court find this shit constitutional without being biased as fuck and doing some goddamned fucking olympic level mental gymnastics?
capt_wolf@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 118d
This is what happens in a captured system, the bad guys get to enforce their beliefs absolutely. Objectivity goes out the window.
amorangi@lemmy.nz · 7 pts · 118d
These justices should be removed immediately for demonstrating their inability to follow a law so basic a 3 year old would understand.
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 117d
There’s always one court in Texas that has their head up their own asses.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 117d
Doesn't matter, they have the power
BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 118d
It's been a busy week for the 5th Circuit, also affirming the Earth is flat, guns are people, and New Coke was actually quite tasty.
SippyCup@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 118d
If guns are people, and we're allowed to own guns...
Slavery is legal again folks!
Ithral@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 118d
Slavery was never made illegal in the US
SippyCup@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 118d
Aha but now it's legal for anyone to do it.
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 118d
The 13th amendment disagrees
Ithral@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 118d
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Bolded it for you. If convicted of a crime you too can be a slave.
sturmblast@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 118d
Not really the same context
NotSteve_@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 117d
Yeah, nah, laws banning slavery shouldn't have an asterisk and the US is pretty fucked up for that
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 117d
ALSO...As of 2022, several states, including Alabama, Tennessee, and Oregon, passed measures to update their state constitutions to remove language allowing slavery as a punishment for a crime, while Louisiana did not.Â
Bur ya know who cares about progress
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 118d
read closer.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 118d
look at all these slave masters posing on your dollar
Adulated_Aspersion@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 118d
So long as there are alternatives.
For instance, the Satanic Temple's 7 tenents are:
I One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
IV The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
V Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
VI People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 118d
yes, the judges ruling this way certainly aren't making carveouts for one religion in particular.
Corvidae@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 118d
Is there a lot of child abuse in Texas?
toomanypancakes@piefed.world · 12 pts · 118d
Religion is popular there, so yes.
BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 118d
If they don't properly honor their mothers and fathers.
SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 118d
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net · 15 pts · 118d
Christians are tagging up our schools with grafitti
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 118d
That's offensive. Graffiti is beautiful
Cytobit@piefed.social · 13 pts · 118d
This is a ruling from the 5th Circuit Court. From Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Fifth_Circuit#2020s
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 118d
This is the time for every teacher to just casually mention to NOT google George Carlin's take on "the ten commandments"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTb6YGciI2g
foodandart@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 118d
I honestly think it's delightful.
Just wait until those commandments are upon the walls of the US History classes and when the teachers get invariably, to the Civil War and teach - as Texas does - that the war was over states rights.. and they read the Article of Secession that Texas wrote, the students can call that bullshit out, using the 8th commandment against "bearing false witness". (no lying)
The issue is that the real Article of Secession that Texas wrote - not the whitewashed version they teach in their schools (that, BTW. mentions States rights ZERO times) - is hella nastier about black people, than they're comfortable to admit. (page 5, paragraph that starts: "We hold, as undeiniable truths..")
I think once that one hits the classrooma, a few of the more sharp kids are going to have a field day with it.
peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 117d
Why should kids follow the ten commandments when very few of our leaders do?
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 116d
Hey, pedophilia not a commandment!
sensualsunset@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 118d
Time for the kids to put their art skills to work and mark them up!
WindyRebel@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 117d
I’d print it, but make it very tiny font and a small little square and place it on a cork board. It would suck if it got covered up by an anchor chart, but at least it’s displayed!
BillCheddar@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 117d
I guess we're going to have to invade and liberate Texas...again.
Fribbizz@feddit.org · 3 pts · 118d
Surely, that means if the politicians fighting for this break one of the commandments they will immediately resign, right?
JigglySackles@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 118d
Surely this will be appealed again.
Today@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 118d
I haven't read the ruling, but heard that they're allowing it to go forward because there's no penalty for refusing. Not sure about that. Need to read up on it. I have a lot of coworkers who will not be participating.
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 118d
America, you wanted a Christian Nation. Wait until it happens. You'll be paying premium streaming prices for entertainment, and getting rewritten 1950s tripe.
Ironfist79@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 117d
I'd love a Christian nation. We'd have no more homeless or starving people along with universal health care.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 116d
Put a picture of the President beside:
You shalt not kill
You shalt not commit adultery
You shalt not steal
You shalt not covet your neighbors child
You shalt not shart.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 115d
I'm okay with the ten commandments being displayed.......provided the rules of other religions are displayed right next to them
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 118d
See you in the Supreme Court..