For 11 weeks, I tracked all of my AI use. One hundred sessions. I counted the tokens processed and applied publicly available numbers on per-token energy and water intensity from Epoch AI and operator-reported data from Microsoft and Google. Anyone can run this math.
In those 11 weeks, I built an iOS app from scratch and wrote policy briefs on extreme heat for nonprofits I work with. I produced documentary pitch decks and drafted a 15,000-word climate fiction piece about the Colorado River collapse. I used AI every single day, often for hours at a time.
Total lifecycle water footprint of all that work: about five gallons. That accounts for everything: the water used to cool the data centers, the water consumed at power plants to generate the electricity, and the water embedded in manufacturing the hardware.
When an Outside editor reached out to ask me to write this story, I was on a trip to Marble Canyon, Arizona, to train raft guide companies on what is happening with the river. I drove my diesel Sprinter van from Tucson to the site, which tallied 383 miles at 20 miles per gallon of gasoline. When I ran the numbers later, the lifecycle water footprint of my fuel was around 110 gallons. One drive to the work I do on the Colorado River used more than 20 times the water of everything I did with AI in 11 weeks. That comparison stopped me cold—and I study this for a living.
30 Comments
ExperiencedWinter@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 120d
Now include the compute used to train the AI models you were using.
Also, I'm not sure "Ai is actually not as bad as the worst polluter in most people's daily life" isn't a great point. We are adding a new "appliance" to every household that is almost as energy intensive as a car?!?
kingofras@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 120d
That compute has to be divided by the total use hours of the model for all of its users. It’s a one off. A one off we do frequently because it’s an emerging technology, but it’s the x factor like with solar panels which will get cheaper over time as we will learn to not fully retrain models from scratch and start using composite ones.
Even cars are not such a big culprit. Agriculture and meat consumption are much higher.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 7 pts · 119d
IDK about "one off". Information quickly becomes outdated, you need to continually feed a general AI model new information to keep it useful for most of the purposes that are being advertised currently.
shweddy@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 120d
This sounds like a deflection piece by open ai or something. The massive amounts of water used for ai aren't from you googling shit. Its from ai companies training new models which takes way more than 5 gallons
eager_eagle@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 120d
It's not such a clear split
https://adeshmehta.substack.com/p/simplergy17-ais-thirst-for-power
Jax@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 120d
So it isn't and hasn't been.
eager_eagle@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 120d
the point is that inference power use is not negligible at all, and it's actually pretty close to training usage
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 119d
... once usage rates explode to many times the current level
WagnasT@piefed.world · 29 pts · 120d
I don't understand how 20 gallons of diesel used 110 gallons of water and the source site wouldn't let me scroll very far. Wtf am I supposed to take away from this? Don't drive a fucking sprinter van to get groceries?
Some dude's AI usage is fine because he used unexplained trust me bro math? FuckAI, fuck cars, and fuck this article.
Venator@lemmy.nz · 9 pts · 120d
copy pasted from reader view in Firefox after element zapping away the paywall with ublock origin:
Crozekiel@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 119d
Well, he put gasoline into his diesel sprinter van. And he made an iOS app from scratch. Trust him bro, he knows what he's doing.
/s Whole thing kinda sounds like it was written by AI anyway. Only seems fitting we have AI writing articles telling us not to worry about the environmental harm of AI.
bravesilvernest@lemmy.ml · 21 pts · 120d
This feels like an argument that global warming is fake because we had a bunch of snow recently lol
The issue is that they are grabbing copious amounts of potable water from an already strained system. Funnily enough for my metaphor, that means it is compounding issues from climate change 🎉
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 120d
I can't access to the article and OP doesn't include it, but do the writer mention how that drive alone affect the Colorado River specifically? Or is the number meant the total water required to process from crude to fuel?
It doesn't makes sense to compare both if one is directly affecting the specific river while the other could come from anywhere.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 118d
"I'm not the bad guy! That guy over there is the bad guy!"
Said one bad guy pointing to another bad guy.
Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com · 7 pts · 120d
Did you just conclude gasoline comes from the Colorado river?
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 120d
They concluded that a bunch of made up numbers make sense to them.
DupaCycki@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 119d
I read the title as "Cats are" and was like what the fuck
goldenquetzal@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 119d
Holy shit same. I was like what kind of nonsense
JigglySackles@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 117d
Por que no los dos?
jadetoffee@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 116d
both can be true
fuck AI
blarghly@lemmy.world · -18 pts · 120d
To everyone hating - the point is that if you think water use from AI is bad, you should also be opposed to car use even more. Yall all got your dick measuring tapes out for this one as soon as they pointed out that something is worse than your favorite thing to hate on, huh?
mmcintyre@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 120d
I.. this is literally the Fuck Cars community. What makes you think folks here aren't "opposed to car use" enough?
blarghly@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 120d
Right. Presumably this was posted in agreement and support of the car-hating sentiment
bravesilvernest@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 120d
Porque no los dos?
blarghly@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 120d
Thats the point
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 6 pts · 119d
I doubt that's the point, I'd assume that being anti-car is already a popular stance among the anti-AI crowd. It feels more like an attempt to use shitty math (conveniently ignoring the cost to train an LLM) to make LLMs appear like a non-issue.
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 119d
They also didn't count the water required to manufacture the car. You might argue that a strict usage analysis doesn't cover full lifecycle, but clearly this wasn't intended to be lifecycle analysis for either case, so it still compares meaningfully.
Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf · 4 pts · 119d
Bruh, look at the community you just posted in.
blarghly@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 119d
Bruh, I know
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 119d
Pavlovian