Mod bans Piefed admins for "emulating / apologizing for a Zionist" while Piefed.social had a Palestine logo a few months ago

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Actions / comments showing that Piefed.social supports Palestine

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db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 63 pts · 136d

Important note that this is just a community ban, not an instance ban. Mm is not an admin.

That said, MM has always been a bit trigger happy. This wouldn't be even noticed if they didn't moderate so many comms, or if the modlog would automatically conflate all comm bans by one mod into a single entry.

Anyway, I do find that jumping to call people zionists or nazis at the drop of a hat is not healthy

Goferking0@ttrpg.network · 33 pts · 135d (12 replies)

But both rimu and Skavau are defending Kaplans actions of defedederating anarchist nexus and mostly likely db0 soon. Hell rimu followed without question.

Actions always speak louder than words (or in this case pictures)

eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 21 pts · 135d

What a shock that Rimu hates antizonists more than mass murder.

science4life@mander.xyz · 4 pts · 135d
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Skavau@piefed.social · -8 pts · 135d (9 replies)

At no point did I ever say that defederating anarchist.nexus was right, else piefed.social would have done the same. Defending or trying to understand Kaplan's reaction doesn't automatically make you a zionist.

eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 135d

So they just always obey and never question it? Just following orders, got it.

Goferking0@ttrpg.network · 6 pts · 135d (6 replies)

https://lemmy.world/comment/23360184

look of course he did because people like the former admin wouldn't accept anything else

Seems like agreeing.

else piefed.social would have done the same.

But piefed.social did defed based on rimu saying they were doing the same in response to Kaplan saying it had happened?

db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 135d (2 replies)

AFAIK piefed.social was set to follow l.w defederation automatically and this was synchronized this way. Rimu reversed it immediately when he noticed

Goferking0@ttrpg.network · 5 pts · 135d (1 reply)

I didn't think he would not do it. So small props for the 1 time doing the correct thing?

db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 135d

I think it's generally useful to make sure to get upset about the right things and not make assumptions

Skavau@piefed.social · 4 pts · 135d (2 replies)

Seems like agreeing.

Not regarding defederation it isn't.

https://piefed.social/c/anarchymemes@anarchist.nexus

We are not defederated. Blaze's account here is literally from anarchist.nexus.

Goferking0@ttrpg.network · 10 pts · 135d (1 reply)

Oh sorry, rimu just did his usual delete from db of an users not a full defedederation.

Skavau@piefed.social · -3 pts · 135d

Piefed allows admins to delete accounts locally, but that hasn't got anything to do with defederation. I don't think this has specifically happened to any anarchist-nexus member.

This is just "people can get banned and get banned in a more intense way" on Piefed.

science4life@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 135d
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Diva@lemmy.ml · 32 pts · 136d (13 replies)

Rimus comments in question. Seems like hes very concerned about people defending luminous, less so about the admin of the largest instance being a zionist.

deserved it, 'flags in banner' is pretty tangential and no defense for behavior. mrkaplan is very clearly a zionist and anyone apologizing for him is sus

I will say I prefer 'death to zionism' because it's the ideology of that ethnostate which should die and is not worth saving. people can learn

curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 21 pts · 135d

Hitting exactly the root cause here - rimu defending Kaplan, consistently and disturbingly, while going after Luminous.

I will say I prefer 'death to zionism' because it's the ideology of that ethnostate which should die and is not worth saving. people can learn

chef's kiss, nothing to add.

Not a complaint about you @Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus BTW, but I think you'd know that. Just commenting on my agreed preferred phrasing.

funbreaker@piefed.social · 11 pts · 135d (11 replies)

Looks like I need to go instance shopping again

Goferking0@ttrpg.network · 4 pts · 135d (10 replies)

Would avoid anything on piefed

curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 5 pts · 135d (9 replies)

eh, theres a fork already.

anarchist.nexus itself is on piefed, while dbzer0 is on lemmy.

Goferking0@ttrpg.network · 2 pts · 135d (8 replies)

A fork of piefed?? But why?

curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 10 pts · 135d (7 replies)

Because anarchist.nexus uses it and rimu has started getting... Opinionated with some configs.

Forking is not exactly a big deal, and a good way to hedge against unexpected changes that are catastrophic. What's the worry?

Goferking0@ttrpg.network · 2 pts · 135d (6 replies)

Because it doesn't seem worth forking. From what I looked at it would need to just be rewriten so why fork.

curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 6 pts · 135d

Its currently running anarchist.nexus, so... thats why. Its sensible to have a fork.

mrdown@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 136d (14 replies)

I don't have much informations about the admin and piefed. Does they generally remove zionist comments and ban zionists users?

Putting a Palestinian flag means nothing, if Israeli apologist still run free and people rejected Palestinians right to armed resistance

IntrovertTurtle@lemmy.zip · -4 pts · 135d (13 replies)
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will_steal_your_username@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 135d (12 replies)

Ze uses ze/zir pronouns

IntrovertTurtle@lemmy.zip · -12 pts · 135d (11 replies)
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Diva@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 135d

with 'allies' like this who needs enemies

maam@feddit.uk · 13 pts · 135d (1 reply)

Yuck transphobia 🤢

FuckMysticMushroom@lemmy.org · 1 pts · 135d
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hakase@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 135d

It's a bold strategy Cotton. Let's see if it pays off.

curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 12 pts · 135d

I don't think you understand what "ally" means with that take.

MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 135d

If anyone has any doubts why I ban people, look no further than this. And this is tame compared to some of the abuse I experienced.

I've had people target me for alcoholism and cancer. There are real pieces of shit on Lemmy, and because of that to protect myself and my communities people will be banned at the first sign of trouble. Do I make mistakes? Sure. Although considering responses to bans like these or worse, I don't make very many.

FuckMysticMushroom@lemmy.org · -2 pts · 135d
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diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -2 pts · 135d (3 replies)

You can just use they/them

MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 135d (1 reply)

I would prefer people didn't when addressing me casually. I know for some people Ze/Zir is hard to remember, and it doesn't bother me much when I know people are trying and don't have malicious intent. But if someone openly refuses to use Ze/Zir pronouns because they feel like I "don't deserve it" that's different, and it does bother me that they are looking for ways or reasons not to respect my identity. They aren't actually trying.

diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 135d

Thats fair, I thought it would better to use they/them than directly slurring you.

maam@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 135d
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MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 23 pts · 135d (2 replies)

I don't reply here often because when people make posts like this, especially on other people's behalf I usually get harassed and insulted (this one's no different, considering the transphobia in the comments). But I do have to clarify because it's important.

Rimu has recently been defending the actions of MrKaplan, who has been using his power as a LW admin to promote Zionism, and by defending that they are indirectly apologizing for Zionism. It doesn't matter if they supported Palestine before or if they still do now. They're currently apologizing for and defending a Zionist. Which is why they were banned. They are not the first person banned for that either, a lot of LW accounts have been banned for Zionist apologia and many more will likely follow.

It would be kind of like if someone who's a trans ally started defending someone who was insulting trans people for getting gender affirming care. It doesn't matter how much they supported trans people in the past or claim to support them now. They are defending and promoting a transphobe.

Diva@lemmy.ml · 19 pts · 135d (1 reply)

I gotta say it's extremely telling how that coinciding with this series of events a handful of brand new accounts popped up just to spew transphobia and nazi shit in addition to the ones just being zionist/defending the LW mods across the various threads.

wonder what's up with that makima-think

anyway the abuse and harassment you get is gross, fuck those assholes

db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 135d

MM and draconic have this sort of "fan club". For some reason, they have pissed off the same kind of chud who keeps making new accounts for this shite.

Hmm, maybe I should implement a way to only allow trusted instances to comment on some communities. This way it can prevent people abusing instances with lax registration to make these accounts just to post toxic shite. Lemmy 1.0 can't come fast enough so I can finally make plugins

thatsnomayo@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 135d (3 replies)

Ah yes, watermelon emoji, Palestine flag, very nice.

Now ask them if they support armed resistance against the IDF violating & massacring people. Whether they support Israel's right to exist, whether they think settlers are civilians like anyone else.

You're simply not built for this are you OP? You would have figured it out years ago. If you "support Palestinians" you don't just cry about them being killed by a system you are complicit in. You at the very least support the political line of Hamas with regards to its ally & benefactor Iran.

That's what it means to actually fight back. Not just say shit online.

db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 135d (2 replies)

Why is your account marked as a bot?

thatsnomayo@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 134d (1 reply)

Nothing much yet, I've hardly even used post scheduling. You'll see! Manual posts will persist as well throughout the next phase—can't help being chatty.

db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 134d

It might make people think you're an llm though. Might be better to have a dedicated account for bot stuff maybe?

BB84@mander.xyz · 10 pts · 136d

link the juicy drama! https://lemmy.world/post/45909721

ctrl+f for rimu if you want

RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 9 pts · 136d (24 replies)

This doesn't even make sense. How is supporting palestine "emulating a zionist". Is this mod just an idiot?

curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 19 pts · 135d (13 replies)

Rimu went straight to defense of MrKaplan and attacking luminous for being anti-zionist, to the point of Kaplan defederating from anarchist.nexus.

Kind of a words vs actions thing here. IMO, rimu is firmly in the wrong, but I also see no reason for MM to preventively ban, but not my comm so not my decision.

RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 9 pts · 135d (8 replies)

So what you're saying is that the banning has absolutely nothing to do with anything in Blaze's post and he's just either intentionally or ignorantly misdirecting us.

curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 10 pts · 135d (5 replies)

Pretty much.

RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 10 pts · 135d (4 replies)

What the fuck blaze

curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 11 pts · 135d (3 replies)

BTW, this is what Marxist was referring to (albeit in a way that was so confusing I didnt even follow at first)

For reference:

https://anarchist.nexus/post/603903

Just browse around for rimu.

Edit: and @Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com made a great summary in that thread of Kaplan's behavior.

RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 5 pts · 135d (2 replies)

It makes for very confusing arguments when one person doesn't have important context and the other doesn't know that person doesn't have it.

curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 6 pts · 135d

tbf, I knew the context and I didn't follow their comments at first either, so I get it

Goferking0@ttrpg.network · 10 pts · 135d (1 reply)

Blaze can get blinded by their love/prefer towards piefed platform. It's not the first time they've been willing to run cover for it and rimus particular design choices.

MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 135d

Good to know.

MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 135d (3 replies)

Kind of a words vs actions thing here. IMO, rimu is firmly in the wrong, but I also see no reason for MM to preventively ban, but not my comm so not my decision.

To add clarification to that, there has been a wave of LW accounts promoting Zionism or just brigading my communities. With that has been a wave of bans (you can check the logs) both reactive and proactive. I know some people don't like proactive bans, although, honestly it's unreasonable to expect mods to let shit slide when they see a person they know will cause trouble.

The fact people harass me here for this doesn't really help the case against proactive bans. And I assume the reactions I'll get from here will further reinforce this.

curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 3 pts · 135d (2 replies)

Did my comment seem like an attack? I was just saying its not how I like to handle things, but your comm you get the choice.

MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 135d (1 reply)

Not at all. I didn't mean to sound defensive. I'm usually on high alert when I comment here since others have attacked me and the general sentiment on Lemmy is hostile against proactive moderation even when it is needed to keep communities afloat. I just wanted to be clear on why I do things because there are people who do expect mods to let things like this slide. It's ultimately up to each mod how they run their communities, and it's also situational. Some communities might not need proactive moderation at all.

curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 5 pts · 135d

OK just checking, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't coming across different than intended

Everyone has a different threshold for a preemptive ban, to me it depends more on interaction. If there isnt any interaction, to me a ban just gets their attention, so I don't bother. If there's some (or interaction outside the community that makes it clear its about to be a problem), thats when I personally take action.

Again though, everyone can have their own approach. If they dont like it, they can start their own comm - thats what makes the fediverse great.

marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 136d (8 replies)
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RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · -12 pts · 136d (7 replies)

You're just mad he's against authoritarianism, marxist.

marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 135d (4 replies)
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RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · -4 pts · 135d

Literally illiterate.

mrdown@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 135d (2 replies)

As terroristic and genocidal Israel is, they did not kill as much as the original nazi

marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 135d (1 reply)
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mrdown@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 135d

You are whitewashing the united snakes by associating the murder of Iraqis and afghsns to zionism . The usa empire evilness predate israel and zionism.

Also cite the sources for each figure

Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 135d

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charokol@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 136d

Supporting a cause? Sounds like something a Zionist would do

Butterphinger@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 135d

Y'all just let us fine users on instances where nothing ever happens know how that all plays out.

fedikitty@piefed.social · 4 pts · 135d

Wow

idegenszavak@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 136d (6 replies)
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YarrMatey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 136d (4 replies)

Mr.

Just wanted to give you a heads up that Mystic Mushroom's pronouns are ze/zir.

AmidFuror@fedia.io · 4 pts · 135d (3 replies)

What are zir honorifics?

MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 135d

I don't use honorifics. I prefer people just use just my name.

Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 135d (1 reply)

Mx. (pronounced “mix”) is a generally accepted gender neutral honorific, though not everyone with gender neutral pronouns uses it.

MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 135d

I used to use Mx. but I don't use any honorifics anymore. I prefer to be adressed by my name only.

Fizz@lemmy.nz · 0 pts · 136d

They need to smeer the person who is attacking their authoritarian ideology otherwise they just look like they hold abhorrent views.

science4life@mander.xyz · -1 pts · 135d
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saltesc@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 136d (1 reply)

Imagine giving a shit, lol

Godric@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 135d

MA COME QUICK! One obscure corner of the internet is in a shitflinging fight with one slightly less obscure corner of the internet! Grab the popcorn, it's the fight for the ages!

FuckMysticMushroom@lemmy.org · -5 pts · 135d (1 reply)
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Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 135d
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remon@ani.social · -6 pts · 136d (4 replies)

And .... of course it's dbzer0.

mrdown@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 135d

An instance that oppose both tankis and zionists

Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 135d

Thanks for your kind review.

marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 135d
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FuckMysticMushroom@lemmy.org · 1 pts · 135d
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tidderuuf@lemmy.world · -14 pts · 135d (2 replies)

Lemmy must have been a pretty weak system if it could fall apart this easily.

Here I was hoping we could do better than Reddit.

curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 13 pts · 135d

?

This is working as intended/designed. In no way is it "falling apart" by defederation.

Lehmuusa@nord.pub · 13 pts · 135d

The Fediverse does not work the same way as IRC.
Severing the connection between two servers only severs the connection between those two. It does not split the network into two separate networks.

Everyone else, remains connected to each other just as always, because all messages always travel directly from instance to instance. The only ones affected at all are those two whose connection has been severed.