Germany To Ban Russian, Belarusian, And Soviet Symbols During May 8–9 WWII Commemorations
https://united24media.com/world/germany-to-ban-russian-belarusian-and-soviet-symbols-during-may-8-9-wwii-commemorations-18457
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TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 101d
Israeli flag is fine though. Nazis were bad, modern day fascists and genocide is totally fine.
Tolc@lemmy.world · -18 pts · 101d
israel represents western values of liberalism and democracy
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 101d
I've found one! A Russian troll! Hi there! How is St. Petersburg this time of the year? I know where your office is.
Поздравляем с удачным провокационным постом
А теперь отвали от Лемми
Tolc@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 101d
I am from south asia
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 101d
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know Russian web brigades hired foreign workers. So you're from North Korea then?
Tolc@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 101d
stop thinking about russia, theyre weak.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 101d
So is your trolling
Tolc@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 101d
Not really, I successfully ragebaited a liberal
Noodle07@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 100d
Bait is too easy on Lemmy
Keeponstalin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 98d
If those values are ethnic cleansing, supremacy, Apartheid, and Genocide. Yeah, they sure do.
mech@feddit.org · 17 pts · 102d
In case you only read the headline, Germany of course does not ban Soviet symbols during those commemorations.
Berlin police has announced that they will not allow showing those symbols at 4 specific locations within Berlin during protests.
silverneedle@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 101d
I don't want to paint post 1925 USSR in a good light, but wasn't an immense number of Soviet citizens killed by the Nazis? I mean, I think it was something to the tune of 22 million last time I checked. Germany had roughly 8 million killed.
To me this smells like nationalism on Germany's part and like an attempt to encroach on anti-war leftist and communists who might carry symbols of their movements at demonstrations, regardless if they're Putinists/Stalinists or state-unaffiliated.
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 101d
silverneedle@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 101d
It wasn't "evil", or "good". It was a rational actor engaging in inter-state competition, just like all the other states involved.
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 100d
silverneedle@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 100d
So did Germany, the UK, the US, China, Italy, France, and virtually every other larger power.
Tolc@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 101d
said by hitler
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 101d
Tolc@lemmy.world · -13 pts · 101d
Your anecdotal experience doesnt define character of the state
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 101d
Russians raped an estimated 2 million German women after the fall of Berlin. some were still children. the worst part of that number is that it's an estimate. at least 130k women were confirmed raped in Berlin alone. the reason why it's difficult to identify a better number is that most Germans didn't talk about it. they didn't talk about it because they felt they deserved it, as punishment. so, who punishes the Russians then?
so please, tell me how the soviet red army wasn't evil?
Tolc@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 101d
Why are you calling it russians? it was the red army comprised of every SSR soldiers and the first red army battalion that reached berlin were ukrainians, you are just pathetically racist towards russians, isnt it?
Secondly I care less about german women rapes, not much considering they were planning to wipe out entire soviet population, murdered 27 million soviets and raped millions of them. It was just tragedy of war.
Red army was moral.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 101d
oh I see. when it's about putting your little empire back, it's "the Russian empire" but when it comes to crimes against humanity it's, "the red army".
I know you're a troll. a shitty one at that. but how can I not call out such low quality bait when it shows up.
Tolc@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 101d
What are you even saying? Who brought russia here?
Atleast try to be coherent rather than assuming that everyone gulps your state propaganda like sheepdog
theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 101d
Banning the flag of the main reason the Nazis lost a very reasonable ww2 commemoration goal. /S
CyroSignal@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 101d
Will they ban other symbols ?
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 101d
Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 101d
German flag. 🔥
E: Apparently ppl took it seriously. Lol
john_t@piefed.ee · 2 pts · 101d
I understood that reference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVcspJhjjN4
Tolc@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 101d
US flag, British flag, basically all other allies flag
Tolc@lemmy.world · -24 pts · 102d
Gentle reminder that 80% nazis were k!lled by the red army, no amount of suppression or history revisionism by capitalists will change or diminish the sacrifices of soviet people.
Long live the red army, army of proletarian of the world!
My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 102d
The sacrifice and courage of Soviet soldiers in the face of Nazi aggression is profound and worthy of admiration, yes.
Should be noted that Stalin was a Hitler-enabler and early ally, or at least subtle collaborator, leading up to the onset of the war. The western democracies should have done a better job of building a coalition with Stalin in the thirties, but failed, hoping appeasement and hand-wringing would do the trick instead.
Soviet soldiers also invaded Finland around that time and were complete assholes there, even if they did get their asses handed to them by a numerically-inferior, but fierce fighting source. It's sad that most of the slaughter was inflicted upon Ukrainian conscripts who probably didn't actually give a shit about annexing Finland.
Pirasp@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 102d
There was nothing subtle about the collaborative invasion of poland
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 101d
Pirasp@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 101d
Yes, but Poland was jointly invaded. Carved up in a treaty beforehand.
Tolc@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 101d
lie
Pirasp@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 101d
Unfortunately for you the truth comes with evidence and doesn't care about your feelings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact
Tolc@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 100d
truth doesnt care about your propaganda tho
Tolc@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 101d
No, none of it was "occupation", nice try tho.
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 101d
Tolc@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 101d
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 101d
EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 102d
To say they “collaborated” by using Poland as a battleground is dishonest.
In the end that was clearly an agreement on when/where the war would begin, as Poland was somewhat Nazi-aligned (but not part of the Nazi project) and the Soviets knew it’d be better to have them as an unwilling buffer than to see them completely allied with Germany.
Make no mistake, they sent their armies there to fight each other to the death.
plyth@feddit.org · 4 pts · 102d
I have read that both the USSR and the West had hoped that Germany would fight the other so that they could beat the weakened winner. Is that true?
Tolc@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 102d
in brief, yes.
Tolc@lemmy.world · -16 pts · 102d
lie, western "democracies" refused to ally with stalin against hitler hoping hitler will destroy communism (he kinda did too).
And ukrainians are not some divine angels who would think differently from all soviet republics somehow. They were part of the red army and soviets thought shifting the border away from important city like leningrad, I am not defending invasion of finland I think it was a net negative but maybe that invasion saved leningrad afterall.
panthera_@lemmy.today · 16 pts · 101d
Remember that Ukraine was part of the Red Army. One of the Soviet units attacking Berlin was 1st Ukrainian Front.
Tolc@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 101d
Yes!
Gsus4@mander.xyz · 10 pts · 102d
And what percentage of the red army was Ukrainians, Georgians, Armenians, Azeris, Khazakhs, etc? russofascist revisionism and appropriation is cancer too.
Tolc@lemmy.world · -14 pts · 101d
why bring russia here? who cares?
john_t@piefed.ee · 9 pts · 101d
The USSR was nothing more than a russian colonial empire. You couldn't have your glorious soviet utopia without Russia.
Tolc@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 101d
No it wasnt, prove it to me how? You are just a triggered liberal who is mad that USSR defeated nazism and gave real challenge to liberal neo colonialism.
Tolc@lemmy.world · -16 pts · 102d
frongt@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 102d
Fun facts about that image, it's been altered to remove a second, likely looted, watch from his wrist, and smoke added for dramatic effect. It's propagandized. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_a_Flag_over_the_Reichstag
Tolc@lemmy.world · -16 pts · 101d
They shouldve looted more stuff
imagine calling addition of smoke for dramatic effect as propaganda