Taiwan has insisted it is a sovereign, independent nation, after US President Donald Trump cautioned it against formally declaring independence from China.
Taiwan reaffirms independence despite Trump warning
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2132w81jqo
40 Comments
perestroika@slrpnk.net · 57 pts · 107d
It took only a few hours after Trump warned Taiwan not to try declaring independence...
...for the Taiwanese foreign ministry to remind that Taiwan is already independent.
As for the actual consequences: in the best case, nothing changes and maybe the US will get a new president soon. Because explaining the depth of the US-Taiwan interdependence to the current president is clearly a too big job.
The US is a client state of Taiwan just as much as Taiwan is a client state of the US. If one gets in trouble, the other also gets in trouble. Actually, most of the world gets in trouble in case of Taiwan, so everyone who needs a device with some CPU or memory has a vested interest in nothing whatsovever happening with regard to Taiwan. And this probably even includes people in mainland China, although I think they can reasonably claim to be almost independent of Taiwan. :) I certainly cannot, I honestly declare considerable dependence on Taiwan. :)
REDACTED@infosec.pub · 11 pts · 106d
Too soon. I believe China's plan is to cripple Western chip production, but first they need to establish proper domestical chip production so TSMC suddenly going boom isn't going to cause them economic and technology devastation
EDIT: I remember reading something about TSMC having built in a kill-switch in case of an occupation
I also believe people underestimate the consequences of this war. TSMC produces 70% of the world's chips. We already have shortages. All of the world would feel it much more than Ukraine war.
jaxxed@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 106d
Let's add some depth here though. Taiwan/ROC (the country with the demcratic government) produces a majority f the high complexity computer chips, but China/PRC (the Unitary Communist country) produces the majority of low complexity chips, and does not produce any sgnficant quantity oh high complexity chips.
That said, as the Americans trued to squeeze the PRC on the chips topc, they have moved to being much more self-sustained on chips, and im the near future will not be iverly impacted if ROC chip production goes haywire. The PRC have made it their strategc goal to no longer be bullied on Petroleum, nor Technology, and are dumping money into operations to support that strategy.
When the PRC sees the right circumstances they will assume control of the ROC islands, regardless of TSMC self-destructs.
FarceOfWill@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 106d
The siuation for the rest of the world is the same either way.
China (and allies eg. Russia) get chips and the rest of the world (eg. Ukraine) have to live whith whatever taiwanese refugees can ramp up over decades in which country they decide is safe enough to flee to
MrMakabar@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 106d
Korea, Japan and the US all produce a good number of chips as well. There are also some other fabs in other countries.
Tolc@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 106d
multiparty elections doesnt mean democracy. Single communist party led state doesnt mean totalitarian
REDACTED@infosec.pub · -1 pts · 105d
Ahh yes, the communist capitalist socialist party of China's Republic.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 106d
If the US gets a new president soon, it'll be Vance, another corrupt shitstain.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 106d
It's been standing US policy going back to the Nixon Administration not to recognize Taiwanese independence.
You can't lay this shitbird at Trump's feet. Go blame Eisenhower for his choice of VP.
amateurcrastinator@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 106d
Yeah nothing current can be blamed on this orange turd. If it wasn't for the ones that came before him you would be part of the UK and who knows trump would have been some sort of assistant to the king. Grow the fuck up and own the fact that us has presently fucked the entire planet by voting for these shitbirds twice.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 106d
There's plenty to blame him for. Iran is a great example. Trump pulled a trigger that no other president was willing to touch, going on 47 years.
But the policy he's stating wrt Taiwan is the exact same policy we've been operating under since before he was born.
"The adults in the room" crowd has been shitting the bed since Reagan. I cannot imagine a bigger tell that your foreign policy is shit than "My policies are mature and yours are for babies".
Particularly when the policies would accelerate yet another armed conflict.
zergtoshi@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 106d
USA has forgotten what declaring independence means.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 106d
Trump is just repeating the last thing someone told him.
zergtoshi@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 106d
Who has the balls to suggest killing himself?
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 19 pts · 106d
I fully believe China can just pay off Trump and invade Taiwan. If I was China I'd definitely do it while Trump is in office.
73ms@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 106d
they may not want to do it because perception shifting to them being the more stable and trustworthy superpower especially in the eyes of developing countries while they're actively doing the work of building relationships the USA has now abandoned benefits them immensely and their own special military operation would speak directly against that.
Hathaway@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 106d
I’ve been saying since this whole Iran shit show started, if I was China, I would wait for inevitable US boots on the ground, and invade the week after.
Tolc@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 106d
china has never talked about "invading" taiwan tho. You guys made up useless boogeyman
0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 106d
Taiwan #1
northernlights@lemmy.today · 12 pts · 106d
Remind me again. USA is... for democracy, right? Just checking.
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 106d
For destroying countries
systemglitch@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 106d
Lol
telllos@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 106d
They are for money.
73ms@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 106d
You obviously know it but worth still saying this current admin and the Republican party certainly isn't... Trump's friendly with the dictators more than the traditional allies most of which are democracies USA used to have and he's actively trying to end democracy at home.
k0e3@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 106d
Yeah fuck Trump. Don't listen to that shit stain, you do you Taiwan.
lithiumground@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 106d
Those who rely on USA ,will end up like in Ukraine and Syrian Kurds!
RepleteLocum@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -1 pts · 105d
Really based and fighting for their freedom?
lithiumground@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 104d
"Those who rely on USA "
moderatecentrist@feddit.uk · 8 pts · 106d
Where are the tankies telling us that Taiwan belongs to the glorious benevolent PRC and that the views of Taiwan's people should be disregarded because they're all evil imperialist Nazis (or whatever it is that tankies believe)? I guess they're all circlejerking over on Lemmy.ml
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 0 pts · 105d
The view of the people of the Republic of China is "maintain the status quo". I doubt theres anyone at .ml who doesn't share this.
The view of unhinged liberals is "Declare independence now, we'll fight China to the last drop of Taiwanese blood".
moderatecentrist@feddit.uk · -1 pts · 105d
The view of tankies is "I hate imperialism when the West does it, but I love imperialism when anybody else does it"
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 106d
I'm all for this from Taiwan.
Jimbel@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 106d
Trump is such an historic shame.
Tolc@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 106d
taiwan still wont formally declare independence from China, it just cant.
wampus@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 106d
Something I'm really not too sure of with regards to this topic, is whether Taiwan like.... pays anything to China? Like does Taiwan send some kind of tax revenue or other ongoing annual payment type thing off to China, does it use any of China's laws/regulations locally?
Like can't the independence of a nation / area be objectively shown?
perestroika@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 106d
Nope, they don't pay anything to China, and China doesn't pay anything to them. They have separate tax offices, separate governments (and very different models of governing), separate militaries... which sadly look at each other though targeting devices.
MrMakabar@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 106d
In practical terms Taiwan is basically an independent country. Legally speaking China is in a civil Taiwan basically being a faction and a decades long ceasefire. However the length of the ceasefire, Taiwan being an island and having been a Japanese colony created a weird situation. As in a real question within Taiwan, if they are Chinese or Taiwanese and also what to do about China. However there is a pretty large majority, who do not want to have the Communist government run Taiwan in any way. So the status quo remains. Also Beijing threatens to invade, if Taipei ever calls itself not the Republic of China, but only the government of Taiwan.
farting_gorilla@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 105d
Also a sizable contingent who don't like the recent "invasion" by the KMT and would welcome being part of PRC. The farther south in Taiwan you go the more that sentiment grows, as the KMT settled in the north.
Tetragrade@leminal.space · 3 pts · 106d
You're mixing up is and ought. It's not about reality, it's about demonstrating allegiance to a side by claiming is how they want it to be.
When people say "Taiwan is part of China", they aren't making the factual claim "Taiwan is an administrative subdivision of the Chinese state.", but rather the moral claim "It would be good if China conquered Taiwan."
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 106d
Taiwan better find better allies ASAP until West Taiwan is free from the murderous CCP and PLA rule.