Note.. all the games are in North America so within 3 hrs time zone .. but bars need to be open until 4am somehow
The idiot mayor of Toronto extended bar hours to 4am so fans in Toronto can enjoy the World Cup no matter time the game is
Note.. all the games are in North America so within 3 hrs time zone .. but bars need to be open until 4am somehow
77 Comments
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 75 pts · 120d
Why are they requiring bars to close by 4am? Just drop the restriction entirely. If you want to get shitfaced at 6am then go ahead.
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 30 pts · 120d
This! When I was young, we used to stay at clubs so late that it was a bit light out when we came out. Grab some breakfast, and sleep the day away. Shit, we wouldn't even hit the clubs until after 23:00. Then we moved to Texas where everything closed at 2:00, no matter how packed it was. So depressing.
Skunk@jlai.lu · 10 pts · 120d
The same reason half of Europe has closed shops on Sunday, worker protection.
You need strong laws to not have businesses abusing and pressuring peoples to work the shity 14h shift till morning for earning a peanut.
And workers protection law + North America are not often put in the same sentence.
Also it’s generally not worth it business wise. Paying salaries and more from 2 to 4 (or 6am or whatever) to sell two beers means losing money. You might have a few festive nights here and there, but most of the weeks/months you’ll have an empty bar so even the owners are not pushing for it.
snooggums@piefed.world · 19 pts · 120d
Allowing bars to stay open is not the same as requiring them to stay open. Owners won't keep a bar open 24 hours if there isn't any business.
Skunk@jlai.lu · 7 pts · 120d
I know that, but some might pressure you to work the night shift "or…"
People living around bars also want to be able to sleep sometimes.
Closed bar also means less drunk people in the streets. In my city you cannot buy alcohol "to go" in shops after 9pm and bars close at 2.
After that if you want to continue partying you go to night clubs.
Anyway, a wise drunk dude once said "nothing good happens after 2", and from experience he was right.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 120d
Closing means you have all the drunks dumped out on the street at the same time to have a fight. Stay open later, let people leave on their own staggering out out more.
fushuan@piefed.blahaj.zone · -2 pts · 120d
You sure haven't lived above pubs near a stadium. I'd torch all the fucking drunkards.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 120d
You chose to live there.
fushuan@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 120d
That's such an entitled shit to say, holy shit check your privilege. What if it's one of the only things I could afford? What if it's my parents house? Come on.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 120d
But Doug Ford's mandate is to keep people drunk.
Skunk@jlai.lu · 2 pts · 120d
Oh lol he’ll get reelected then (I don’t know the guy at all, just a few jokes about him I’ve seen on Lemmy)
zikzak025@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 120d
That sounds more like countries enforcing a religious preference (day of rest on Sunday for church) than worker protection. I suppose it could be branded as secular, but so can France's ban on wearing hijabs in the name of laïcité.
thebestaquaman@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 120d
Nah, it's definitely a worker protection ting. Sure, it has religious origins, which is why it's specifically on Sundays, but that's not why we keep it in place. It's pretty widely supported that we should have one day per week where most shops are mandated to keep closed, and nobody sees a good reason to make it any other day than Sunday, so we've kept it on Sundays.
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 119d
Ehh, maybe it started of as a religious thing, perhaps why Sunday was chosen specifically; but the idea of forcing everyone to have a day off is wonderful.
In the us, there's no federal law limiting the number of days people have to work. Some states have a 1 every 7 days rule. But that's not specific enough, for shift schedule work, they can set your off day to be Sunday this week, and Friday next week, and only schedule you a few hours a day so you get to work almost 2 weeks in a row with out overtime pay.
IMO, it should be (regardless of number of hours worked) on day 6 your pay is 1.5x, and day 7 is required off. At day 8 it's 2x pay, +2 days of paid vacation time (worth 8 hours or your typical shift length (which ever is larger)). It all doubles each day with out a day off. With a signed agreement between you, HR, your boss, whomever is "in charge"/owns the company and the labor board with specific documentation explaining why you have to work so many days in a row and why the job can't wait a day or someone else can't fill in. Failure to do this step results in x5 back pay for everyday worked after 6. Doubling everyday after 8.
bitchkat@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 120d
They only state they can stay open until 4am. It doesn't mention what time they reopen. My sister's bar opens at 6am or so. Supposedly for night shift workers.
MintyFresh@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 115d
I used to be that night shift worker. I was so grateful for that one bar in town that opened in the morning. Nothing like ending the work week with a bloody Mary at sunrise!
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 120d
Because there is good data showing extended drinking hours have higher rates of violence and drunk driving. No one is getting refreshment at 4am, they are getting shit faced.
bobzer@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 119d
I reserve the right to get shitfaced at 4am.
So glad I don't live in a nanny state.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 120d
Nah, there’s no way soccer fans getting shithoused for hours on end while watching a friendly match would ever get rowdy. /s
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 120d
Really? I heard the opposite, kicking everyone out at the same time results in them fighting more because you have a load of them all at once.
Karmanopoly@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 120d
There needs to be games at 6am though
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 11 pts · 120d
There are other reasons to go to the pub. Half of the ones I go to don't even have screens. Though they are also not places I would want to go at 6am. They would probably choose not to open at that time anyway.
My point is the government shouldn't be dictating the allowed opening hours. Regulations on staff working conditions is totally fine so having staff working 18 hour shifts is clearly bullshit, but if you want to hire enough staff to cover opening hours like that then you should be allowed to.
TrippingBalls@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 120d
That's sounds like some crazy libertarian stuff
Give people the liberty to choose? Nvr gonna happen
It makes easier for the Dui quota if they can force alcoholics to get on the road at the same time
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 120d
"crazy libertarian stuff" = business owners should be able to pick their own opening times?
Jiggle_Physics@quokk.au · 3 pts · 120d
I think you missed the sarcasm in the comment
HeyJoe@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 120d
I think theres a stigma around that rule more than it has anything to do with it being libertarian. The later bars are allowed to be open the worse of a look it gives the neighborhood. It could bring unwanted types of people in since those are the only people they believe would be drinking at 3am, as well as additional noise which could be disruptive if the bar is located next to residential places. I think its just seen as a bad look which is why its restricted. I am also someone who doesn't really care, but i guess location should matter in what time is the latest it can stay open. I grew up visiting NY a lot and they are a perfect example of who cares what time a bar closes and it was wonderful.
zeroConnection@programming.dev · 10 pts · 120d
So a late shift worker cannot go to a bar to enjoy a pint after work, because he finishes at 4 and there are no more games this late? Why? What logic is that? I think they should be open till 6AM
9point6@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 120d
Why?
If a venue sees it as worth it to deal with the calibre of piss-head you get at 6am, have at it, I say
Local businesses get to make more profit and the government gets more tax from consumption duty
Whether there's football on or not really shouldn't be a factor the government cares about at all IMO
Signtist@bookwyr.me · 3 pts · 120d
We'll just have the leaving late-night crowd play against the arriving day drinkers crowd.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 120d
It's 8am, Barry arrives for his first morning pint and sees Dave stumbling out after his last pint of the night.
Sabin10@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 120d
That's not the mayor of Toronto, that's the premier of the province of Ontario. His younger brother was the crackhead mayor of Toronto.
egerlach@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 120d
I mean, he thinks he's the mayor of Toronto, and really only wants to be mayor of Toronto, so…
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 120d
I guess in Canada they elect the most punchable face only
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 120d
If he's not Mayor of Toronto why is he banning speed cameras and tellings bars when to open?
Sabin10@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 120d
Alcohol laws fall under provincial control. The rest is because he's holding a grudge for us not electing him as mayor. He's only happy when Toronto isn't.
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 1 pts · 120d
Don't forget banning bike lanes, changing the number of council members.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 120d
While Olivia Chow does fuck all.
radiofreebc@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 120d
zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 23 pts · 120d
I doubt that they require bars to stay open until 4 AM. It sounds more like they lifted the mandate to close earlier.
I am always for less restrictions, so this sounds actually like a good change.
farmgineer@nord.pub · 19 pts · 120d
Bars here in Japan are often open until first train in the big cities (~5am) with some going later. I don't necessarily see anything wrong with that in itself (especially for late shift folks who want to enjoy the same after-work experiences as day shift folks).
That said, fuck this guy for many other reasons.
RidderSport@feddit.org · 4 pts · 120d
Wait there are no trains in Japan at night? In Frankfurt there used to be none between like 3am and 5am. Sucked pretty hard when you missed the train and had to wait for the first one. Slept quite often at a station at the time. Now trains run all night albeit on a slow schedule.
HeyJoe@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 120d
I remember when i visited I thought it was kind of crazy. Basically the main time for nightlife goes until last train and it's a mad dash of people trying to catch the last train to get home otherwise your Basically stranded for the night which then your options are hotels or a very expensive taxi.
Watermark710@piefed.social · 2 pts · 120d
Where I live, we don't have trains, only buses. The last one is at 6:30pm. The first ones are ~6am. Honestly though, the only people taking the bus here are either too young to drive, or too old to drive. But our bars are open 24/7/365. If you don't count the COVID lockdowns, my local bar has been open 24/7 every day since 1987.
farmgineer@nord.pub · 2 pts · 120d
Japan set the allowed alcohol limit to basically zero sometime in the '90s so drinking anything and driving here can see you lose your license and spend time in Jail.... as it should be IMO.
farmgineer@nord.pub · 1 pts · 120d
Maintenance is done at night and, when that's not happening, they run freight trains. In Tokyo, last train used to be like 1:30ish on some lines and started up again a bit before 5am. Now it's more like a bit after midnight and starting again closer to 5am. JR is a private company (a group of them, actually) and they keep squeezing things further, presumably for more profit.
They did start a bus line between nightlife areas a few years ago, but it never got popular and was closed (and also just took drunk people around from one party area to the next and not home).
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 120d
This guy really only cares about alcohol. Billions of dollars of provincial money spend on liquor contracts that would have expired in a year or two.
Karmanopoly@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 120d
You saying this guy is obsessed?
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 120d
That was a hilarious press conference.
Took so long to empty that bottle lol
PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 120d
Yah, you gotta pop that plastic bit out of the neck first. I don’t see this guy having the aptitude or even the skill to recognize that.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 120d
Someone should have stuck one of those shot pouring nozzles in there, would have been pretty funny.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 120d
While he does stupid media stunts like this, he passes laws so no one can see what's on his burner phones
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 120d
Ford Nation is alcoholics.
The percent of votes cast to keep this fat fuck in power equals the estimate of percent alcoholics in Ontario by CAMH.
zewm@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 120d
Wait. Whats wrong with this? As someone in a city with 24 hours bars and clubs, I’m not understanding the problem. What exactly is the gripe?
Karmanopoly@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 120d
I'm just making fun of the fact that all the games are in North America.
He extended bar hours so everyone can enjoy the games at 4am but there won't be any games at 4am in Toronto
zewm@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 120d
Ah gotcha
Pixel_Jock_17@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 120d
He's the Premiere of Ontario not the Mayor of Toronto.
Karmanopoly@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 120d
Same shit different pile
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 120d
It's a long standing joke to call him Mayor of Toronto because he interferes with Toronto constantly and Chow just lets him.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 120d
The same idiot Mayor who banned speed cameras and watched speeding increase by 235%?
Who could have predicted that?
xkbx@startrek.website · 5 pts · 120d
STOP TRYING TO OUTSHINE US, T.O.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 120d
Bars close in Montreal? Is that new?
Seigest@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 120d
[self deleted for unintentional racism] genuine sorry about that
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 120d
Holy shit. It's Olivia Chow.
Seigest@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 120d
Oh god. My bad. I have no idea why I got the name wrong there.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 120d
Chow is useless. Doug is de facto Mayor. Apparently lemmy doesn't get it.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-doug-ford-is-not-the-mayor-of-ontario/
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 120d
If Pierre Poilievre is "trump lite" then Doug Ford is "trump heavy".
binux@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 120d
When his crackhead brother died the monkey's paw curled and now we're stuck with this 250 pound mosquito
HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 120d
Wait this isnt Rob Ford?
binux@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 119d
No this is Doug, he’s the premier of Ontario right now. They both crawled out of the same hellish crevice though
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 120d
Fifa world cup? Hmm. Maybe he wants it in place for next world cup, which might be in a different country. But, knowing he might not be mayor in 4 or 5 years time, he put it in place now, so everyone will remember him as 'the guy who let us watch football'
barkybeak@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 120d
We had the same thing happen in Kansas City.
Missouri State Government passed a bill which would allow bars in Kansas City, MO to stay open 23 hours a day.
But Mayor Lucas passed a city ordinance which “vetoes” the state law, prohibiting bars within the city from opening for 23 hours.
There was a bar, Blueline Hockey Bar, who went to social media blasting the mayor.
Finally, the mayor walked back his steps and passed a motion allowing bars to stay open for 23 hours.
This ordinance only allows Kansas City bars to stay open 23 hours a day throughout the World Cup games.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 120d
Truly what the people of Canada needed right now...
VibeSurgeon@piefed.social · 1 pts · 120d
Top 3 dumbest person on the planet honestly
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 120d
no...that would be the millions who vote for him again and again.
VibeSurgeon@piefed.social · 1 pts · 120d
Fell for it again-award kind of vibe
roserose56@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 120d
They don't need to, it's not a law, it's an extension. Also, some cities like Toronto need specific licence (or something like that) to stay late open(not for world Cup)
And I don't get your problem, it's a one time thing.
Also when you really learn, who Toronto Mayor is, we can finally chat. Plonkers.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 120d
You missed the joke. For a guy who is not Mayor of Toronto, he passes a lot of laws overriding the municipal laws of Toronto.