The blank stares and annoyed if not downright condescending dismissal I get from normies when I express a preference for avoiding spyware, adware, and other socially acceptable (read: profitable for those who make the rules and own the politicians) malware is some of the worst gaslighting I've ever been subjected to!
The hyper-normalization and gaslighting continues, and evolves.
2010: I'm getting commercial ads relevant to my interests.
- Yeah, right. As if you were so important that anyone would follow you through the entire internet.
2018: I'm getting commercial ads relevant to my interests.
- It's your own fault for not installing an ad blocker.
2026: I'm getting right-wing political videos in my feed.
- It's your own fault for taking an interest in rage porn.
Maybe I’ve always misunderstood the term but it seemed to me that spyware was a category of malware that would secretly and excessively harvest user data whatever the purpose or the actor behind it. I’d guess this was more likely to be done for commercial or criminal purposes than state surveillance or espionnage.
Indeed, this quote seems a gross misrepresentation but is it not that harvesting of user data for commercial purposes has become so ubiquitous that the term has shifted to only designate malware used by actual spies?
There's nothing wrong with telemetry, it's not supposed to contain identifying or private data. It's information about feature usage, crashes etc. and it's very useful for developers. Especially with open-source software, the devs are generally not your enemies, they just want to improve their products. If some apps spy on you under the guise of telemetry, that's a different issue.
My job wanted everyone to install Teams on our personal devices. I really didn't want to but reluctantly agreed until I found Teams wouldn't work without some other Microsoft app whose purpose was to reformat my system files into two sections which were personal and work. I said I would not allow that on my personal device and if they needed me to have teams they could provide a work phone. They looked as though it was the most unreasonable thing they've ever heard. I feel like 20 years ago this was the exact thing people were warning us about when installing programs from the internet, now no one bats an eye.
If the company is sued and your personal device is also your work device, everything in it can be part of the discovery process. If it's a criminal affair, such devices can be confiscated as evidence for an indeteremined amount of time.
This shit goes way beyond "mere" privacy concerns.
If the incompetent idiots keep on pushing for you to run company stuff on your devices, simply point out that it would legally expose you to the company's legal affairs.
I went through this exact same thing at a previous job, and they also reacted like I was speaking another language. These weren't dumb people either, but they were very much the types who had never spared a thought to anything about technology, much less privacy.
They eventually offered to pay me a monthly stipend and put it back on me to use that to buy a work phone or just pocket the $. I didn't feel like going through that hassle, so I caved and just kept the money.
I might suggest that security suites like McAfee themselves becoming synonymous with Malware undermined the core concept of system protection ages ago.
Modern Windows based security protocols offer significant bloat with only marginal improvements in safety.
The bigger issue is that having your third-party "security" software betray you while using Windows is like pissing in an ocean of piss. The OS itself is spyware!
McAfee and other antivirus went full-on malware a long time ago. Sure, Microsoft was still collecting data from users, but it was a drop in the bucket compared to what they do in Windows 11 these days.
People can grow completely desensitized to the negative meaning of a word.
In programming, programmers rely more and more on other software: Libraries, built tools, testing environments etc. These were being called dependencies by people who thought we relied to much on them. dependency is a word with a negative meaning, but today programmers happily add a new dependency to their project to save 3 lines of code.
A lot of modern hacks happen through these dependencies. Programmers are looking at kinds of solutions to make dependencies more reliable, rather than trying to reduce their number of dependencies.
It's not always as stupid as you make it sound. Sometimes there are many subtly different ways to achieve a basic result and using a common component rather than rolling your own can be the difference between familiar and surprising behaviour. Although obvs if it's 3 lines just c+p that, but it's unlikely to really be that
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Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 87 pts · 82d
The blank stares and annoyed if not downright condescending dismissal I get from normies when I express a preference for avoiding spyware, adware, and other socially acceptable (read: profitable for those who make the rules and own the politicians) malware is some of the worst gaslighting I've ever been subjected to!
West_of_West@piefed.social · 36 pts · 82d
But, like, do you have something to hide?
Glytch@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 82d
Of course I do and so do you.
SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 82d
Only the 3,425 avant-garde photos I've taken of my penis
West_of_West@piefed.social · 13 pts · 82d
See, now I think the government needs to see that!
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 82d
Consider this your official congressional subpoena. Bring the dic pics. All of them.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 82d
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 6 pts · 82d
Terabytes of furry porn.
NannerBanner@literature.cafe · 1 pts · 82d
plz cher.
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 6 pts · 82d
Sure, why not? (NSFW, obvs)
NannerBanner@literature.cafe · 4 pts · 82d
I don't know what I was expecting. Terabytes were probably a little too much to ask for. Here.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 81d
optimisticturtle@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 81d
youcantreadthis@quokk.au · 5 pts · 82d
The trick is to avoid normies
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 82d
I generally do, but unfortunately, I'm related to some..
youcantreadthis@quokk.au · 5 pts · 82d
So they do the avoiding for you perfect
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 82d
If only! 😄
PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space · 4 pts · 81d
The hyper-normalization and gaslighting continues, and evolves.
2010: I'm getting commercial ads relevant to my interests.
- Yeah, right. As if you were so important that anyone would follow you through the entire internet.
2018: I'm getting commercial ads relevant to my interests.
- It's your own fault for not installing an ad blocker.
2026: I'm getting right-wing political videos in my feed.
- It's your own fault for taking an interest in rage porn.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 82d
DHS says ICE has 'no relationship' with [Israeli] spyware maker Paragon Solutions [whose products ICE is using]
—NPR, literally yesterday
Like I know this is hyperbole for comedic effect, but it's also completely wrong.
adb@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 82d
Maybe I’ve always misunderstood the term but it seemed to me that spyware was a category of malware that would secretly and excessively harvest user data whatever the purpose or the actor behind it. I’d guess this was more likely to be done for commercial or criminal purposes than state surveillance or espionnage.
Indeed, this quote seems a gross misrepresentation but is it not that harvesting of user data for commercial purposes has become so ubiquitous that the term has shifted to only designate malware used by actual spies?
grue@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 82d
Yeah, now they call it "telemetry" and pretend it's somehow normal and acceptable. But no, it's fucking not -- it's still spyware!
badgermurphy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 82d
wylinka@szmer.info · 2 pts · 81d
There's nothing wrong with telemetry, it's not supposed to contain identifying or private data. It's information about feature usage, crashes etc. and it's very useful for developers. Especially with open-source software, the devs are generally not your enemies, they just want to improve their products. If some apps spy on you under the guise of telemetry, that's a different issue.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 81d
Right, but most of the time it's for things that do not need to know where I am or any of my private data.
And then all of that conveniently gathered and stored information is just waiting for a bad actors (including corporations) to scoop it up.
DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz · 38 pts · 82d
My job wanted everyone to install Teams on our personal devices. I really didn't want to but reluctantly agreed until I found Teams wouldn't work without some other Microsoft app whose purpose was to reformat my system files into two sections which were personal and work. I said I would not allow that on my personal device and if they needed me to have teams they could provide a work phone. They looked as though it was the most unreasonable thing they've ever heard. I feel like 20 years ago this was the exact thing people were warning us about when installing programs from the internet, now no one bats an eye.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 81d
If the company is sued and your personal device is also your work device, everything in it can be part of the discovery process. If it's a criminal affair, such devices can be confiscated as evidence for an indeteremined amount of time.
This shit goes way beyond "mere" privacy concerns.
If the incompetent idiots keep on pushing for you to run company stuff on your devices, simply point out that it would legally expose you to the company's legal affairs.
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 81d
In a security audit the personal device also probably becomes "in scope".
goosygirl@thelemmy.club · 13 pts · 82d
Honestly, you are supposed to keep personal and work devices separate. Not only does it provide work life balance, but it also avoids lawsuits.
Yes, people have sued workplaces for infrigement of privacy
There is a fine line between work and personal life that should never be crossed!!!
The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 81d
I went through this exact same thing at a previous job, and they also reacted like I was speaking another language. These weren't dumb people either, but they were very much the types who had never spared a thought to anything about technology, much less privacy.
They eventually offered to pay me a monthly stipend and put it back on me to use that to buy a work phone or just pocket the $. I didn't feel like going through that hassle, so I caved and just kept the money.
wylinka@szmer.info · 28 pts · 81d
Do you remember the term "adware", like it's a kind of virus? Now even your operating system shows ads XDDD.
BennyTheExplorer@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 81d
Not every OS, none of the ones I use do.
But I get your point.
cuerdo@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 81d
say it, say it!
BennyTheExplorer@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 81d
??
GrapheneOS for my phone, Linux for everything else, if that's what you mean.
Rooster326@programming.dev · 2 pts · 81d
Enterprise? .... The only one you pay for?
krakenx@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 82d
What do you call a virus that doesn't damage your system? An "app"
badgermurphy@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 82d
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 82d
I might suggest that security suites like McAfee themselves becoming synonymous with Malware undermined the core concept of system protection ages ago.
Modern Windows based security protocols offer significant bloat with only marginal improvements in safety.
grue@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 82d
The bigger issue is that having your third-party "security" software betray you while using Windows is like pissing in an ocean of piss. The OS itself is spyware!
GalacticSushi@piefed.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 82d
McAfee and other antivirus went full-on malware a long time ago. Sure, Microsoft was still collecting data from users, but it was a drop in the bucket compared to what they do in Windows 11 these days.
msage@programming.dev · 20 pts · 82d
It's 'legitimate interest'
RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 82d
Lol
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 12 pts · 82d
I sure hope nobody in this thread is using Windows, Android, Edge, or Chrome...
Kynsey@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 82d
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 81d
But it's only Android with the spyware. GOS / LOS is no Android.
jh29a@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 81d
FatVegan@leminal.space · 5 pts · 81d
Implying that apple is fine?
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 1 pts · 81d
Maybe, maybe not. I'm not sure about them. Probably not, I suppose.
tdawg@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 82d
We don’t tolerate any of that foreign shit 'round 'ere
TheLazyNerd@europe.pub · 11 pts · 81d
People can grow completely desensitized to the negative meaning of a word.
In programming, programmers rely more and more on other software: Libraries, built tools, testing environments etc. These were being called dependencies by people who thought we relied to much on them. dependency is a word with a negative meaning, but today programmers happily add a new dependency to their project to save 3 lines of code.
A lot of modern hacks happen through these dependencies. Programmers are looking at kinds of solutions to make dependencies more reliable, rather than trying to reduce their number of dependencies.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 81d
Something that the modem conservative movement has discovered, and glommed onto. Unfortunately, very successfully.
silasmariner@programming.dev · 3 pts · 81d
It's not always as stupid as you make it sound. Sometimes there are many subtly different ways to achieve a basic result and using a common component rather than rolling your own can be the difference between familiar and surprising behaviour. Although obvs if it's 3 lines just c+p that, but it's unlikely to really be that
jh29a@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 81d
not if the only thing I watch on YT is Mental Outlaw
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 82d
RUSSIA BAD CHINA DOUBLE BAD WHERE MY GADGETS!!!!?!?!?!?
PragmaticOne@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 80d
This is fucking hilarious :D