I submit for your judgement, my ban from a History Photos, after the mod (a favourite around here) loses his cool and breaks almost all the sub rules and the instance general guidelines.
Arguably he also breached instance rule 1 against ableist conduct and use of slurs as the history of the word moron is quite troubled - something I've disagreed with @PugJesus@piefed.social on before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moron_(psychology)
For clarity I do not support any of the states identified by the US as rogue states. Discussing motives and outcomes does not equal support.
Rules
- Be respectful and inclusive.
- No harassment, hate speech, or trolling.
- Foster a continuous learning environment.
- No genocide or atrocity denialism.
- Photos MUST be at LEAST 10 years old, and ideally over 20. We appreciate that we are living through events which will become history, but this is ultimately not a comm for news or current affairs, but events which have occurred some time in the past.
https://piefed.social/comment/11787117
55 Comments
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works · 36 pts · 63d
Alright.
This is definitely PTB. PJ broke his own rules. You can't do that as a mod, period. Doesn't matter what the provocation is.
Mind you, you were a smug jerk as well (edit: and I mean that both of you were being smug jerks), so the only reason it's PTB is that he crossed the line. I might have temp banned your ass a few exchanges previous at the most. Probably, I would have just reminded you to chill the fuck out and disengaged, but I dunno, I can be a hotheaded asshole sometimes.
If it had been temporary, I'd have gone with an ESH since both of you were slap fighting instead of talking, but that's not what happened.
frongt@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 63d
Agreed. OP's comments have that vibe. I would have just not replied to them, even as a mod.
Cypher@aussie.zone · 9 pts · 63d
Fair take.
sneezycat@sopuli.xyz · 29 pts · 63d
PTB.
I don't know who's in the right history-wise, and I appreciate pugjesus' posts and explanations.
But in this case it feels to me like it was just an interesting argument until he decided to call you a dipshit and a moron (and then ban you). Smh.
Cypher@aussie.zone · 21 pts · 63d
This probably isn't the community for it but as I was banned for 'conspiracy theories' I figure its relevant.
The US has been quite open about its involvement in Libya and there are plenty of sources on this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_involvement_in_the_2011_Libyan_Civil_War
https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/IF/PDF/IF11556/IF11556.33.pdf
The idea it could be a conspiracy theory that the US backed rebels against Gadhafi is beyond ridiculous, it was public, acknlowedged at all levels of the US government and is a matter of factual record that assistance including military and humanitarian spending. These actions were undertaken largely under the umbrella of a NATO intervention.
Stating the fact that this happened isn't condeming or condoning (though ousting Gadhafi was good, the fallout and subsequent rise of ISIS in the region was horrific) it is literally just the recognition of events as they happened.
https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/operations-and-missions/nato-and-libya-february-october-2011
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-13908202
mrdown@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 63d
The start of the revolt was genuine but there is not a single doubt that the US was involved in destroying Libya. France was even more involved, it was france who brought the idea in UN to be involved under pretext of protecting civilians . Still this is a PTB
gnufuu@lemmy.ca · -6 pts · 63d
Thought you might appreciate this quote from this comm's rules since you're so outspoken about following them.
Cypher@aussie.zone · 8 pts · 63d
Right at the top of the post buddy. Going to follow the rules yet?
gnufuu@lemmy.ca · -7 pts · 63d
That's not how rules work
Cypher@aussie.zone · 10 pts · 63d
It is relevant to directly refuting the reason for the ban as stated in the mod log.
Got any more bangers there champ?
gnufuu@lemmy.ca · -4 pts · 63d
My bad, I could have sworn your comment was
and not
therealdries@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 28 pts · 63d
So you were banned by pugjesus because they got high off their own supply again.
First time, I take it?
Cypher@aussie.zone · 14 pts · 63d
I’m a repeat customer haha
therealdries@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 63d
The "power tripping mod" problem here on lemmy is turning out to be even more pervasive, and perhaps more fundamental, than it ever was on reddit.
Wren@lemmy.today · 23 pts · 63d
One of the most unhinged, incendiary and often super wrong people on here. They're practically a mascot for bad mods, a leech that clung to the foot of a reddit exodus.
Good on you for trying to bring respectful discussion into their com, but you might as well have been delivering top sirloin to a seagull.
redrumBot@lemmy.ml · 22 pts · 63d
All PugJesus moderated forums are a cyclejerk of apology of liberalism, imperialism and USA.
I don't understand why people want to participate there.
redrumBot@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 63d
Repling to my self to clarify it:
Comms and instances should add to their rules tab their ideological bias. It's a pitty that only communists and anarchists instances/comms are enough honest to do it.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 60d
PugJesus is toxic to the fediverse.
PJTB
naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 63d
Pugjesus is the worst kind of sancitmonius neckbeared power tripping taint sniffing reddit mod
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 63d
PTB at all times. You did nothing wrong.
MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 63d
PTB for sure
quill7513@anarchist.nexus · 13 pts · 63d
I'm going to weigh in that this is a case of PTB even if, as some others you could have been more graceful. The role of a moderator is primarily to prevent things from spinning out of control like they did here.
That particular mod left his old home instance after realizing it had some problems, and was acting better for a while, but has been returning to many of his old ways. In particular:
mathemachristian@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 63d
dude thinks readsettlers.org is a melodramatic screed filled with anti-white "racial prejudice",
JonsJava concurs and permabanned me immediately for linking it and I will bring it up every chance I getJonsJava@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 60d
Care to share the user?
I don't agree with your take.
I do believe it's not news, or unbiased, so I can see why I might have, but it wouldn't be ban-able, so I'd like to know the user to refresh my memory.
mathemachristian@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 60d
It was me, we already had this discussion. https://lemmy.ml/post/44529994/24655075 .
JonsJava@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 60d
I re-reviewed all the details, and came to a very confusing realization
With all that in mind, the only conclusion I can come to is I fucked up. I must have misread a mod queue report as someone else, and banned you for their actions.
I can unban you if you like, but if you hate me and the communities I moderate and don't want that, that's also your choice.
mathemachristian@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 60d
I mean I would like an unban as I think it's completely unfair. The previous ban that was referenced was my lemm.ee account which I had switched away from since the instance had shut down. Here is my recollection of the events at the time of the original ban: https://lemmy.ml/post/19362644
Also I don't hate you or anyone really, I just had run out of good faith with the lemmy.world mod team in general and after you reaffirmed the ban in our last discussion without actually pointing out what you thought was racist with you as well. Glad to be proven wrong on that account though.
JonsJava@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 60d
@mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone has been unbanned
your
lemmy.mlwasn't ever banned.mathemachristian@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 60d
Thank you 💚 I mainly use my lemmy.ml account to post locally or here in yptb due to visibility. blahaj is my the main account I use to interact with the wider fediverse.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 6 pts · 63d
This is how pj has always been though? And for leaving it didn't seem like it wad from issues as much as pj wanted to own the tankie devs by moving to software done exponentially even worse people
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com · 9 pts · 63d
He's a cunt, so there's no surprises here.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 57d
PTB for sure, I wonder how many people PugJesus has started to stalk and collect info so he can ban them and ask admins to delete accounts for him.
Everyone in this thread most likely now has a new enemy from even reading his actions, let alone saying they're bad.
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 56d
According to the sh.itjust.works mod log MeanwhileOnGrad was transferred to them a few weeks ago, so it would appear now that is fully and unequivocally their community.
So... all .ml users and also all users using flotilla instances, and all blahaj users. All the people.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 56d
Goat probably got tired of being called out of his zio-nazi actions and went back to Voat. I'm sure Pug has banned all people who disagrees with him.
Wonder if Goat tried to push for gore porn again and got told no, again.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 55d
What's funny is that someone who has told people to stop calling out Rimu's actions out has now been stalking my profile because I said I don't care about Rimu's feelings when he has caused so many issues for people.
What a shock that an axis.world mod supports Piefed and their actions.
Also, amazing how Pug instantly banned you when he got mod. Dude is not right in the head.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 56d
Gotta love how TragicNotCute downvoted me for no reason here. Somehow following accounts is not harassment, but telling bullies to fuck off is.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 56d
Tragic, if you have to stalk profiles, you're the weirdo. No one pinged you. You're harassing me now.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 55d
Wow Tragic, you should ban yourself for stalking and harassing me. This is just as bad as what I did. Clearly you're just as evil as me now.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 55d
Tragic, stalking someone's account for days because you don't like them isn't normal. Seek help.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 52d
Mic check, Tragic still stalking me?
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 46d
It only took a week, but finally they forgot about me. Anything but getting a hobby.
TragicNotCute@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 56d
It’s not “no reason”. I dislike your content.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 54d
Rent free in your head, huh? You could do anything else productive in your life. You don't have to support Rimu, he doesn't know you exist. Stop simping for fascists.
You banned from your community, fair. I can't stop you, I don't mind not posting there. I don't stalk your account. Get a life, maybe find a partner to date. Then again, you'll probably stalk them too when they don't like something you admire.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 63d
Can't read the screenshots due to being on mobile, but claiming moron is an ableist slur feels like a huge stretch to me.
Cypher@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 63d
Welcome to the euphemism treadmill
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 63d
I'm aware. I've even posted articles on that topic before. But current day usage of those terms generally no longer refers to mental issues, the horse has definitely left the barn on that issue.
Cypher@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 63d
Uh huh. So how long before you deem retard acceptable?
There are people still alive who were diagnosed with those terms and who undoubtedly had them used as ableist slurs against them.
Once you’re on the treadmill there’s no hopping off
And I’m not perfect. I’ve used moron as an insult occasionally
gnufuu@lemmy.ca · -4 pts · 63d
This you?
The fact that you've been throwing around that very same word makes me think you're simply looking for drama.
Cypher@aussie.zone · 11 pts · 63d
It sure is! Glad you caught that but it’s a little out of context because Pug has previously banned me for using a synonym of moron while he often uses this language in subs he moderates.
Just a call back to another account and ban really.
redrumBot@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 63d
Please, clarify the synonyms that you and Pug have been using.
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -2 pts · 63d
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gnufuu@lemmy.ca · -7 pts · 63d
Cool, what about this one?
Cypher@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 63d
Yeah me again, my issue isn’t with the word but Pug’s extremely biased moderation.
Now if you’d weigh in according to sub rules that’d be great
gnufuu@lemmy.ca · -7 pts · 63d
Nah, I'm fine with the initial position of your goalposts.
UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -5 pts · 63d
Cypher@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 63d
Yes but please do read and follow this subs rules, I’d hate to see you banned ;)