Saying Primates have "human like qualities" is precisely the inverse of what's going on. Human's do "primate things" not the other way around. [Behaviour]
When I stopped my bike to look at the monkeys, the front wheel slipped on some wet leaves and caught the bike while accidentally revving the engine and hitting my balls on the fuel tank. The monkeys saw it all.
It's important to combat anthropocentric bias. Primates came first we're actually the newest ones, so if we share behaviors, they did it first and we copied them.
All the other primates out there that have evolved into their current species over the last million years that we evolved into ours?
We're all evolving. I don't know which primate species would be considered the "newest" currently but that's also probably being revised all the time as we discover more. But I'm sure either we're not the "latest" or it's pretty close.
We're not the latest in some chain of primate species, being the ultimate version. Thats not how evolution works.
Well ultimate meaning last chronologically, yes. Im not an expert but from googling casually, Homo sapiens appeared around 250k years ago and bonobos and chimps about 1.5M years ago. So i think we are chronologically the newest primates to appear, all normative judgments aside.
Exactly — 'Like' is a comparison and doesn't imply belonging to a set. Someone can be 'like a piece of shit' without belonging to a greater class of shits
No, we absolutely still do dab poop at the edges of our territories.
On a small scale (private property) quite literally, in regions that don't have internal plumbing.
And metaphorically, with countries preferably building landfills and polluting industry in border regions.
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mech@feddit.org · 35 pts · 58d
Humans ARE primates.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 58d
Yes but OP is right, primates pre-date us so anything we do similarly, they did it first and we copied them.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 58d
We didn’t copy, we are an extended branch of their abilities.
Photonic@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 57d
ripcord@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 58d
Which primates? Chimpanzees? They evolved from earlier primates too.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 53d
Yes, chimps also exhibit traits of even earlier primates.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 53d
Chimps didn't exist when homo erectus appeared.
Still doesn't seem like you're getting my point.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 53d
Well i meant homo sapiens maybe i was misusing the word humans, but erectus is a different species than us.
egrets@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 57d
That's the exact point OP is making. Humans do primate things because they're primates.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 34 pts · 58d
I have no thoughts on the matter, but here's a couple monkeys I saw this morning.
RecursiveParadox@piefed.social · 7 pts · 58d
They saw what you did and are very disappointed in you.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 9 pts · 58d
When I stopped my bike to look at the monkeys, the front wheel slipped on some wet leaves and caught the bike while accidentally revving the engine and hitting my balls on the fuel tank. The monkeys saw it all.
whaleross@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 58d
The human monkey is easy to spot from its belief that it is not a monkey nor even an animal.
0xKesh@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 58d
Ahh.. but humans are primates?
So wouldn't that make both true? Other primates would display human like qualities, while the inverse of 'humans do primate things' also holds true?
fizzle@quokk.au · 10 pts · 58d
I can see what OP is getting at but it's really an argument around semantics, and sentence structure.
For example, we don't say "Some fruits are similar to Apples", because it sounds daft and it's redundant.
On the other hand saying "Pears are similar to Apples" is of course fine, and helpful to someone who's never seen a Pear.
Like most shower thoughts, they're pointing out something obvious, but in an emotive way. "Primates aren't like us, we are like them!"
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 58d
In terms of biology, specifically botany, we do say some fruits are similar to apples. This comparison seems like a biological one too.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 58d
It's important to combat anthropocentric bias. Primates came first we're actually the newest ones, so if we share behaviors, they did it first and we copied them.
TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 58d
Humans are in the set of primates, but not all primates are human.
mech@feddit.org · 5 pts · 58d
Still, your showerthought says "a subset of primates are doing primate things".
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 58d
Well humans are the newest primates so anything we do similar to other primates, they did it first and it's us who copied them.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 58d
No we're not.
Heck, chimpanzees and bobobos only branched from each other like a million years ago.
Modern day non-humaj primates evolved from common ancestors, just like us.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 54d
What's a newer primate than humans?
ripcord@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 54d
All the other primates out there that have evolved into their current species over the last million years that we evolved into ours?
We're all evolving. I don't know which primate species would be considered the "newest" currently but that's also probably being revised all the time as we discover more. But I'm sure either we're not the "latest" or it's pretty close.
We're not the latest in some chain of primate species, being the ultimate version. Thats not how evolution works.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 53d
Well ultimate meaning last chronologically, yes. Im not an expert but from googling casually, Homo sapiens appeared around 250k years ago and bonobos and chimps about 1.5M years ago. So i think we are chronologically the newest primates to appear, all normative judgments aside.
ElderReflections@fedia.io · 1 pts · 58d
Exactly — 'Like' is a comparison and doesn't imply belonging to a set. Someone can be 'like a piece of shit' without belonging to a greater class of shits
RebekahWSD@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 57d
As I was running my fingers through my hair, I was struck with I'm just a monkey with delusions of not monkiness.
egrets@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 57d
The other catarrhine monkeys don't have umbrellas, though, so we're clearly superior.
RebekahWSD@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 57d
I also like our use of electricity and air conditioning!
TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 57d
^this
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 5 pts · 58d
Feels like a weird unnecessary distinction between Humans and other Great Apes like them.
But there certainly are activities unique to humans such as filing taxes.
Mantzy81@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 58d
All primates doing primate things is exactly what you'd expect primates to do
Admetus@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 58d
In Prometheus Rising it is described that instead of dabbing poop at the edges of our territories, we just dab ink on borders.
mech@feddit.org · 1 pts · 58d
No, we absolutely still do dab poop at the edges of our territories.
On a small scale (private property) quite literally, in regions that don't have internal plumbing.
And metaphorically, with countries preferably building landfills and polluting industry in border regions.
Astronut@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 58d
Never monkey around with another monkeys monkey. I learned that!