Lmao remember when this was funny because the ease at which the blond lady dismissed things she didn't care about was indication that she was not the progressive person she claimed to be?
Forgiveness can be great in certain circumstances, but it has to come from the victims, not from the perpetrators, enablers and benefactors of the violence (Democrats).
Well I really don't get it, analysing the past behaviour of the mistakes nature made, also called Usians, a sexual abuser has a higher chance of winning elections no? The problem is that he didn't abuse a minor? I'm confused.
I am not aware of any specific war crimes he participated in. I mistakenly gave him the benefit of the doubt and assumed he had grown from the kind of uncritical person who joins the military, hence leaving it and running on anti-imperialist policy.
The rape was in 2023. It's 2026 now. Like who cares, the past is the past. He has grown past it right? He also said people need to respect women during his campaign and rape is bad. Why won't you accept his personal growth?!
I see he was deployed at those times (not that he participated necessarily), don't see anything about Abu Graib, and yes obviously he joined Blackwater. That doesn't mean those things aren't true obviously.
The woman did provide proof.
I just want to know what's real and not the worst possible made up scenario.
Platner went to the United States Marine Corps School of Infantry and deployed to Iraq in 2005. “It was a relatively calm deployment for the first few months, mostly because the Battle of Fallujah just happened, and much of the insurgent activity in the area had been crushed in that fight,” he told me. Later, while he was on patrol at Abu Ghraib, there was an attack on the prison.
The dude was using a makeshift mortar to fire at densely populated urban areas even though using mortars where forbidden because the amount of civilians that got murdered was to high even for the us army standards. At the absolute provable minimum he risked children getting killed or injured even after ordered not to do so
He said he was firing at enemy mortar positions. You know, people shooting at them. They shouldn't be there obviously but it's a little different don't you think?
Ok so you get the order from higher ups that shelling this area is forbidden because it is too population dense. You then jerry-rig a kind-of mortar using a grenade launcher in order to explicitly defy this command without getting detected. You note that "it [is]n't the most accurate system and [have] no idea if you ever killed an enemy mortar crew with it", but sadly your training was insufficient to know that you would be putting childrens lives and limbs at undue risk?? And your reaction is basically 🤷?????
Here's a thought experiment: an american community starts to fight back against ICE with armed resistance. One of the ICE agents does the same thing, but years later decides to run as a dem candidate. What (if anything) does he have to do in order for you vote for him?
If afterwards he says he shouldn't have been there and done that, is anti Israel, and his opponents are pro Israel and in the case of Susan Collins literally voted to send his ass and all the other thousands of troops there... Yeah probably. (edit: I guess for your hypothetical they would be a senator and primary challenger that's pro ICE and the sitting senator is a rubber stamp for ICE funding increases and/or voted to create ICE)
My reaction is he wasn't killing civilians for his own kicks and implies he's exactly what I said, a stupid crayon eater.
If you went on top of the empire State building and threw multiple hand grenades on the street below, where white people could be walking, would you call that malicious? Or a terror attack? Can you see how him shelling a neighborhood where brown people live is similar? I'm not trying to be mean, but anyone who struggles to see how bad this is, might just have their ability to emphasize impaired by racism. It might not be their fault, people often absorb racists believes unconsciously or have a hard time extending the same amount of empathy, they would to white people to racialized people, if they rarely interact with them. People reading this, who suspect this might apply to them even in a limited way, should really take this to heart and try to reflect on their racist biases and ability to empathize.
He said he was firing at enemy mortar positions. You know, people shooting at them. They shouldn't be there obviously but it's a little different don't you think?
Putting aside which is worse, and putting aside the race element, the crime of rape is far more unforgivable than the crime of murder. Although the far-right (not just in America) seems very quick to forgive rapists.
I should've put more emphasis on the word "unforgivable". I assumed people would read my random Lemmy post more closely.
There are a variety of reasons people commit murder, but there's only one reason they rape someone and that is for their own pleasure at the expense of others. For that reason, the crime of rape is far harder to forgive.
Out of curiosity... how can something unforgivable be more unforgivable than something else that is also unforgivable? Actions like that are either completely unforgivable or they are forgivable, right?
Nothing is ever completely unforgivable (emphasis on the "completely"), literal Hitler aside.
If someone murders their spouse in a fit of rage and not only shows intense remorse for their crimes but also dedicates their life to helping others at tremendous cost to themselves, I'd be able to forgive them.
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Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online · 46 pts · 28d
Lmao remember when this was funny because the ease at which the blond lady dismissed things she didn't care about was indication that she was not the progressive person she claimed to be?
lemonwood@lemmy.ml · 22 pts · 27d
Forgiveness can be great in certain circumstances, but it has to come from the victims, not from the perpetrators, enablers and benefactors of the violence (Democrats).
ZeroHora@lemmy.ml · 21 pts · 27d
Well I really don't get it, analysing the past behaviour of the mistakes nature made, also called Usians, a sexual abuser has a higher chance of winning elections no? The problem is that he didn't abuse a minor? I'm confused.
Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online · 13 pts · 27d
Wow this is so ruthless thank you for blessing me with the opportunity to experience this comment
ZeroHora@lemmy.ml · 20 pts · 27d
USA is threatening military action in my country so I'm already pumping my hatred. In the end of the year I'll look like Palpatine.
Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online · 15 pts · 27d
I'm sorry about the cortisol, comrade. I hope the empire falls before they do more damage.
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 27d
The sad part is that this doesn’t even narrow down which country you live in…
ZeroHora@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 27d
In the past was easier, there's a info graph to follow:
Nowadays the colored ones could be the answer too.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 27d
Thats only true if they take the time to thank Jesus for helping them rape children.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 27d
guys, raping, war crimes, nazi tattoos... are only bad when they do it...
Liberals are just as spineless as conservatives. they treat politics as a sport.
DupaCycki@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 27d
Damn, my bad. I thought she had a darker skin. In my defense, it's kind of hard to tell in a back alley with no lights. /s
Gates9@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 27d
God dammit. This is pretty funny.
GhostFace@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 26d
This is just most people at this point.
Morality is conditional based upon who is involved and whether or not the person judging likes the parties involved.
starik@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 26d
NewDark@lemmy.today · -9 pts · 28d
Alright, I'll bite. Is there any proof he killed brown children?
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 50 pts · 28d
He participated in the Fallujah and Ramadi massacares and was a concentration camp guard at Abu Graib and joined Blackwater.
Why don't you ask for proof of him raping that white woman?
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 0 pts · 28d
The woman provided recipts.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 19 pts · 28d
Did she provide video evidence?
Are you sure the video wasn't AI?
Come on just keep doubling down like you've been doing for his war crimes against brown children.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · -9 pts · 28d
I am not aware of any specific war crimes he participated in. I mistakenly gave him the benefit of the doubt and assumed he had grown from the kind of uncritical person who joins the military, hence leaving it and running on anti-imperialist policy.
But the rape was in 2023.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 31 pts · 28d
This was him in 2020.
The rape was in 2023. It's 2026 now. Like who cares, the past is the past. He has grown past it right? He also said people need to respect women during his campaign and rape is bad. Why won't you accept his personal growth?!
SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 28d
The Democratic Party people are so brain dead.
NewDark@lemmy.today · -8 pts · 27d
I see he was deployed at those times (not that he participated necessarily), don't see anything about Abu Graib, and yes obviously he joined Blackwater. That doesn't mean those things aren't true obviously.
The woman did provide proof.
I just want to know what's real and not the worst possible made up scenario.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 27d
Did you try like, opening Google?
NewDark@lemmy.today · -1 pts · 27d
Yes? I wasn't super thorough so I could be wrong.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 27d
https://archive.is/sROJZ
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 26d
Do you think every person that works at a military base interrogates prisoners?
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 26d
Platner said he killed the people trying to free people who were being tortured.
I'm going to report you for using the word "interrogates" instead of "tortures" though.
mathemachristian@lemmy.ml · 38 pts · 28d
The dude was using a makeshift mortar to fire at densely populated urban areas even though using mortars where forbidden because the amount of civilians that got murdered was to high even for the us army standards. At the absolute provable minimum he risked children getting killed or injured even after ordered not to do so
https://imgur.com/a/wY3l0Ki
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/e613vv/iraq_us_marines_in_ramadi_use_an_mk19_grenade/
NewDark@lemmy.today · -14 pts · 27d
Reading it, it seems more careless and stupid rather than malicious. But, I still didn't know this before and I appreciate it.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 22 pts · 27d
How many levels of racist do you have to be to think shelling civilian areas with explosives is "stupid rather than malicious"?
If someone started firing grenade launchers into Maine would that be "stupid rather than malicious"?
NewDark@lemmy.today · -8 pts · 27d
He said he was firing at enemy mortar positions. You know, people shooting at them. They shouldn't be there obviously but it's a little different don't you think?
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 27d
Do you know how US military speak works?
NewDark@lemmy.today · -4 pts · 27d
So he tells this elaborate story only to leave out the one detail that he actually was doing it for fun and to kill civilians?
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 27d
He posted on Reddit about how epic and fun it was. And how it was entirely inaccurate and he doesn't know what it hit.
mathemachristian@lemmy.ml · 20 pts · 27d
Ok so you get the order from higher ups that shelling this area is forbidden because it is too population dense. You then jerry-rig a kind-of mortar using a grenade launcher in order to explicitly defy this command without getting detected. You note that "it [is]n't the most accurate system and [have] no idea if you ever killed an enemy mortar crew with it", but sadly your training was insufficient to know that you would be putting childrens lives and limbs at undue risk?? And your reaction is basically 🤷?????
Here's a thought experiment: an american community starts to fight back against ICE with armed resistance. One of the ICE agents does the same thing, but years later decides to run as a dem candidate. What (if anything) does he have to do in order for you vote for him?
NewDark@lemmy.today · -10 pts · 27d
If afterwards he says he shouldn't have been there and done that, is anti Israel, and his opponents are pro Israel and in the case of Susan Collins literally voted to send his ass and all the other thousands of troops there... Yeah probably. (edit: I guess for your hypothetical they would be a senator and primary challenger that's pro ICE and the sitting senator is a rubber stamp for ICE funding increases and/or voted to create ICE)
My reaction is he wasn't killing civilians for his own kicks and implies he's exactly what I said, a stupid crayon eater.
lemonwood@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 27d
If you went on top of the empire State building and threw multiple hand grenades on the street below, where white people could be walking, would you call that malicious? Or a terror attack? Can you see how him shelling a neighborhood where brown people live is similar? I'm not trying to be mean, but anyone who struggles to see how bad this is, might just have their ability to emphasize impaired by racism. It might not be their fault, people often absorb racists believes unconsciously or have a hard time extending the same amount of empathy, they would to white people to racialized people, if they rarely interact with them. People reading this, who suspect this might apply to them even in a limited way, should really take this to heart and try to reflect on their racist biases and ability to empathize.
NewDark@lemmy.today · -10 pts · 27d
He said he was firing at enemy mortar positions. You know, people shooting at them. They shouldn't be there obviously but it's a little different don't you think?
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 26d
No, it isn't.
lemonwood@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 27d
Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml · -12 pts · 26d
Putting aside which is worse, and putting aside the race element, the crime of rape is far more unforgivable than the crime of murder. Although the far-right (not just in America) seems very quick to forgive rapists.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 26d
So if he had murdered her instead that would be no big deal?
Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 26d
I should've put more emphasis on the word "unforgivable". I assumed people would read my random Lemmy post more closely.
There are a variety of reasons people commit murder, but there's only one reason they rape someone and that is for their own pleasure at the expense of others. For that reason, the crime of rape is far harder to forgive.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 26d
ftfy
Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml · -4 pts · 26d
No you didn't.
calmblue75@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 26d
Reducing war crimes to murder.....
Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml · -4 pts · 26d
As did OP.
calmblue75@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 26d
They didn't
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 26d
Wait you're saying that Platner drunkenly raping his GF is worse than murdering her?
She let him rape her because she was afraid of something worse happening if she didn't.
Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 26d
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 26d
Saying that one is more unforgivable already means you consider it worse.
benderbeerman@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 26d
Out of curiosity... how can something unforgivable be more unforgivable than something else that is also unforgivable? Actions like that are either completely unforgivable or they are forgivable, right?
Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 26d
Nothing is ever completely unforgivable (emphasis on the "completely"), literal Hitler aside.
If someone murders their spouse in a fit of rage and not only shows intense remorse for their crimes but also dedicates their life to helping others at tremendous cost to themselves, I'd be able to forgive them.