The House passed a bill Tuesday that would make daylight saving time permanent. Proponents, including the White House, argued the change would provide more daylight during the times that Americans are most active. The vote was 308-117.
House passes bill to 'ditch the switch' and make daylight saving time permanent
https://apnews.com/article/daylight-saving-time-house-passes-bill-53e7ffd1c3e9beddb9ab1601a8482ad5
41 Comments
areakode@riskeratspizza.com · 55 pts · 19d
I feel like they do this every year now. And it will again die in the Senate...
Glowstick@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 19d
Exactly. Since it died in the Senate just a few years ago, why would it pass now? It's essentially the same bill and essentially the same government.
Raiderkev@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 19d
Might make the unwashed masses stop looking at the Epstein files
cmbabul@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 19d
Let’s hope he thinks that, passes it, and then the distraction doesn’t work
Zoot@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 19d
Please don't, we need to completely get rid of DST, not switch to permanent dst.
fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com · 4 pts · 19d
It doesn't matter
Zoot@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 18d
It does matter as far as where the sun is at what time, and that's pretty fuckin important for a lot of people's mental health.
fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com · 1 pts · 18d
Half the assholes say permanent savings the other assholes say standard. I don't give two shits I just hate changing. Fucking figure it out.
baronvonj@piefed.social · 12 pts · 19d
actually it was the Senate who passed this bill last time, in 2022.
https://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/us-permanent-dst.html
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 19d
Because there is a literal dictator as the US president? If someone bribes him a bit this might actually be forced through.
Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 19d
Very sad that this direction is the one they decided to go with, as opposed to permanent standard time.
Skyrmir@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 19d
Honestly I don't care which way they set it, just so long as we can stop fucking with the clocks every 6 months. Schedules can move if needed, for those that need to.
Mister_Feeny@fedia.io · 21 pts · 19d
Hard disagree. Standard time means it's dark by like 4:30 in the winter where I live. I'd much rather it get dark at 5:30.
UpAndAtThem@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 19d
This is it right here. To me, having to deal with more dark in the morning and getting a later sunset in the dark days of December is clearly the better option.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 19d
Why are you italicizing standard like it’s any less made up than DST? Time is a human construct.
baronvonj@piefed.social · 9 pts · 19d
standard time more closely aligns noon with the sun reaching it's high point. That's generally regarded as healthier for our circadian rhythms, aligning with the sunlight.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 19d
Maybe for you. Solar-noon only aligns with human-noon at specific longitudes (and iirc only really on the equinox). The further out from the longitude (and the further out from the equinox), the more drift the there is between solar noon and human noon.
Grab a straight stick and a compass. We got a couple hours to test this the old fashioned way.
Try spending a winter in New England and only seeing the sun on your commute and on weekends. EST is a bigass timezone and New England is the furthest east.
I'd be happy if we were on permanent AST (GMT-4:00), but permanent EDT I guess is the same.
Scrawny@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 19d
Huh? Solar noon is exactly the same for everyone on the same longitude. People at the equator have noon at the same time as someone in the north. The only difference is the zenith of the sun and how long the forenoon and afternoon are.
Unfortunately the timezones are pretty wide so only in the center of the zone would be the closest to the solar mean.
I think people fail to realize that Northern latitudes always have bigger changes in day/night time than southern latitudes. Changing the time zones doesn't change the fact that Northern latitudes will always have more daylight in summer and more darkness in winter than the Southern more equatorial latitudes.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 19d
Longitude != Latitude.
I get them confused sometimes but then I just think of Jimmy Buffet..."Changes in attitude...changes in latitude".
But yes. New England gets doubly-boned for being both on the far North and far East stretches of a very large time zone. Not as boned as, say, Halifax..or maybe Quebec or Montreal...but there's as many people in just Rhode Island as there are in Nova Scotia.
mx_smith@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 19d
Think of it like a ladder, the long part of the ladder is the longitude and the ladder rungs are the latitude.
baronvonj@piefed.social · 1 pts · 19d
Seriously, summer days in Calgary were long as fuck compared to Texas compared to Panamá.
baronvonj@piefed.social · 2 pts · 19d
I spent 12 years living in actual England and Canada. And I've also spent plenty of time in Pamaná and Costa Rica. The real problem is the year-round work/school schedule. We should be changing that to match the sun instead of changing our definition of time of day.
Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 19d
I won't say the time zone system we have is perfect, far from it, but they way to fix the problems with it isn't to shunt every single time zone 15 degrees east.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 19d
The time zones themselves now aren’t even that aligned, the closest solar noon ever gets to actual noon in my time zone is 12:40. Also people are way too different from each other to say that everybody is better with solar noon being at noon. It’s pretty well documented that at least half of humans are night owls.
baronvonj@piefed.social · 0 pts · 19d
Well sure people are different. I'm definitely a night owl. But coming up with time divisions and time zones at all were ways to give a reasonable reference to the sun's position in both nearby and far away regions. It's of course never going to precise everywhere. But I don't really think a deliberate seasonal redefinition of the time to suit corporate whims is really the most logical solution, either. We could instead socially agree to have summer/winter business hours, for example. We already do that for days of the week. Just agree to adjust work from 9-5 to 8-4 instead of saying 9 is 8 for the next 7 months. You still get your after work sun while being more honest about where we are in the rotation and it will have the same physiological impact. We already have 38 time zones instead of 24. So we can make them more granular if we need to re-align closer to solar min/max within the population centers where it would matter most.
edit: probably relevant to add that I also think we should switch to a 13 month calendar of 28 day lunar months with a global holiday at the end, which goes for two days on leap years.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 19d
How about compromise and move the clock forward half an hour
Brkdncr@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 19d
I say this too and people look at me crazy. Not being able to pick one or the other is crazy if you ask me.
bus_factor@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 19d
Didn't they do that a while ago, and no one wanted it? I read somewhere that they gave states blanket permission to switch to permanent standard time and they all wanted permanent daylight savings time instead.
baronvonj@piefed.social · 5 pts · 19d
yes, in the mid 1970s. Went to year-round DST and moped on out after the first winter with it.
SarcasticMan@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 19d
In December of 1973 changing to permanent DST had a 79% approval rating nationwide. They passed it and Nixon signed the bill in January 1974. By February 1974 the approval rating was around 42% and the change repealed in October of 1974.
Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 19d
I also wouldn't mind allowing states to choose to be on permanent daylight time if they were so inclined, bu I want the default to be standard for a whole host of health reasons.
bus_factor@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 19d
Now I'm curious about what multiple health reasons depend on sunrise being an hour earlier or later.
Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 19d
It has to do with lining up with circadian rhythms better, and getting the health benefits that come from better sleep.
deathmetaldawgy@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 19d
Yeah fuck this I work early morning and I don’t need the sun in the mornings, especially when that trade off is it gets dark at 4:30 pm in the winter up where I am. Fuck that. I get off work and I get an hour or less of sunlight?! It’s so depressing. It’s not like the sun makes it any warmer when it’s -30 degrees and it’s too low to even hit me so no body heat or my car so no defrost… Give me my 9:30 sunset and wake up in the dark please and thank you
Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 19d
I... if the sun currently sets at 4:30 in the winter then permanent daylight time would only push that back to 5:30, hardly sounds like a significant difference to me.
deathmetaldawgy@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 18d
When it’s the only time I have to spend with sunlight every second matters. I would just prefer it in the evening when I have more leisure time
noxypaws@pawb.social · 4 pts · 19d
would you rather keep switching back and forth twice a year, or would you prefer one becomes permanent?
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 19d
That's the nifty part: once it becomes the only one, "daylight saving time" BECOMES standard time.
Whether you choose that or the current "standard" time is almost completely arbitrary, and thus nothing to be sad about 🤷🏻
justaman123@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 19d
Just move to the other side of a time zone or just across the next ones boarder
justaman123@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 19d
timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 19d
Agree with this.
More sunlight in the morning makes it better for kids walking to school and not being run over due to our shit infrastructure.
You could work around that but let's be honest- schools and workplaces aren't going to adjust times ever to actually accommodate anything.
tehn00bi@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 19d
Ditch daylight saving and stay on standard all year.