Taylor said it remained the case that investigators were not looking for anyone else in connection with the incident.
He added that counter terrorism teams have gathered "a huge amount of information" over the last week, leading to more than 800 lines of enquiry.
Yeah that doesn't add up.
This man travels a significant distance to kill a no longer politically active non-high ranking politician. The police openly admit they don't have a motive and yet they feel confident enough to arrest him on charges of terrorism. But also despite the fact that they don't know the why they do know they're not looking for anyone else?
I suspect what's happened is that this idiot was on a watch list, he managed to give them the slip and went and killed her, for reasons that probably only makes sense to him, and now they're trying to cover up their screw up, so now he's a terrorist. He's probably just bonkers, People tend to focus their delusions on important figures like politicians, I knew someone who was utterly convinced that Tony Blair was hiding information in his speeches specifically for him.
Yes, if they really thought he were a terrorist they would be looking for his accomplices in order to prevent the next attack. But the word "terrorist" is thrown around by UK authorities as a matter of convenience these days.
Or the British security services have finally learned from the Americans how to groom mentally ill people, give them a weapon or a bomb and point them towards someone or someplace. Oven-ready terrorist.
I'm in "pure paranoid conspiracy mode" here and wearing a tin foil hat... but there's something of a synchronicity about Farage trying to use his personal safety as a justification for the £millions he's been gifted. The media's interest in that has certainly diminished since Widdecomb's death. But, like I say, I'm in zany nut case mode and in a rational world of decent men and women stuff like this never happens.
Yeah, it's pretty weird. If there's not a personal vendetta involved you're left with, what? An old lady being the only person he thought he could actually kill?
If it was just a random person who drove a distance to commit the crime, it's honestly pretty impressive that they caught him. I wonder what they had to go on.
Probably fingerprints and/or DNA. You don't go from being a perfectly law abiding citizen to a murderer in one go, this guy will definitely have been in the system.
Oh they're definitely withholding stuff, initially I wondered if it was because they were worried that the likes of Tommy 10 names were going to try and turn it into a riot opportunity, but since this guy is as white as you can get I'm not really sure what the point of withholding information is.
They had better release something soon or this is going to get the conspiracy theorists all riled up. I'm actually sort of amazed reform have been so quiet on this.
I "qwanted" the name to see if anything turned up, was pretty confident that his footprint would have been wiped, but somebody on twatter/eggs has put up some of it.
EDIT - Using links instead of just the the bullet points.. No grok no more.
No, initially I didn't realise it was grok output until after I posted, so I posted how and where the info came from.
But the way it's worded, I'm sure is very easy to look up and clarify.
At the end of the day, ai is just a glorified search engine, often built with a bias purpose in mind, but in that instance, it's just a search result bullet pointed.
If it's using factual sources to generate its answer then you should find those sources and quote those instead. The fact that it will just make stuff up that sounds plausible means that you have to do the legwork to verify every single word it outputs. If you are verifying it then presumably you're finding sources that you can link.
Well I assumed he was going to be unhinged. Obviously you shouldn't go around murdering people, even people you don't like, but if you are going to go around murdering people you don't like, you should probably start with a more worthy target than Widdecombe who let's be honest, has never been exactly politically relevant.
That's my point. All the daily heil deformers were on about how it had to be a brown person and how immigrants are all criminals, and once again the actual culprit turned out to be one of theirs, another white british guy.
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echodot@feddit.uk · 14 pts · 18d
Yeah that doesn't add up.
This man travels a significant distance to kill a no longer politically active non-high ranking politician. The police openly admit they don't have a motive and yet they feel confident enough to arrest him on charges of terrorism. But also despite the fact that they don't know the why they do know they're not looking for anyone else?
I suspect what's happened is that this idiot was on a watch list, he managed to give them the slip and went and killed her, for reasons that probably only makes sense to him, and now they're trying to cover up their screw up, so now he's a terrorist. He's probably just bonkers, People tend to focus their delusions on important figures like politicians, I knew someone who was utterly convinced that Tony Blair was hiding information in his speeches specifically for him.
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 18d
Yes, if they really thought he were a terrorist they would be looking for his accomplices in order to prevent the next attack. But the word "terrorist" is thrown around by UK authorities as a matter of convenience these days.
tenebrisnox@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 18d
Or the British security services have finally learned from the Americans how to groom mentally ill people, give them a weapon or a bomb and point them towards someone or someplace. Oven-ready terrorist.
echodot@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 18d
And they pointed him at an irrelevant retired politician?
tenebrisnox@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 17d
I'm in "pure paranoid conspiracy mode" here and wearing a tin foil hat... but there's something of a synchronicity about Farage trying to use his personal safety as a justification for the £millions he's been gifted. The media's interest in that has certainly diminished since Widdecomb's death. But, like I say, I'm in zany nut case mode and in a rational world of decent men and women stuff like this never happens.
FarceOfWill@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 18d
Its possible they found a piece of paper saying "palastine action" in his flat
echodot@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 18d
Couldn't stop at murder, he had to be progressive too.
NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social · 1 pts · 12d
A printed world map with Palestine on and a Last Action Hero DVD will suffice.
ChairmanMeow@programming.dev · 3 pts · 17d
She wasn't quite retired, she was the spokesperson on justice and immigration for Reform.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 17d
She was still a high-ranking official of the Reform Party, and had been publicly executing that role hours before her murder.
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 18d
They've since clarified that he appears to have supported Jeremy Corbyn and identified as a communist. It's quite terrifying.
FarceOfWill@infosec.pub · 11 pts · 19d
Intrigued that theyve charged him with terrorism, but still dont say anything about the motive.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 8 pts · 19d
So this guy traveled down from Rotherham to Devon to murder an old lady and they have no motive? No manifesto written in blood?
Taleya@aussie.zone · 8 pts · 19d
You might wanna not skip over this bit
former Conservative minister and Reform UK spokeswoman
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 14 pts · 19d
She’s still nowhere near the top of the hitlist if you were going after Tory chodes.
Also, are you explaining who Ann Widdecombe was?
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 9 pts · 19d
Yeah, it's pretty weird. If there's not a personal vendetta involved you're left with, what? An old lady being the only person he thought he could actually kill?
eleijeep@piefed.social · 2 pts · 18d
If it was just a random person who drove a distance to commit the crime, it's honestly pretty impressive that they caught him. I wonder what they had to go on.
ChairmanMeow@programming.dev · 2 pts · 17d
Apparently his DNA on the murder weapon, plus camera footage.
echodot@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 18d
Probably fingerprints and/or DNA. You don't go from being a perfectly law abiding citizen to a murderer in one go, this guy will definitely have been in the system.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 17d
His car was seen parked outside the house —> ANPR —> ID
echodot@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 18d
Oh they're definitely withholding stuff, initially I wondered if it was because they were worried that the likes of Tommy 10 names were going to try and turn it into a riot opportunity, but since this guy is as white as you can get I'm not really sure what the point of withholding information is.
They had better release something soon or this is going to get the conspiracy theorists all riled up. I'm actually sort of amazed reform have been so quiet on this.
Heliumfart@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 19d
That guy looks older then 28, damn.
Raiderkev@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 19d
Fr. That man is 47 and you will not convince me otherwise.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 2 pts · 19d
Pub life, not even once
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · -2 pts · 18d
Brits tend to follow the late 70s male aesthetic.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 19d
which one of you guys is it
hanrahan@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 18d
looks like the guy who runs the kiwifarms web site.
Diddlydee@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 18d
Looks like the hairy biker that died.
Babalugats@feddit.uk · -3 pts · 18d
I "qwanted" the name to see if anything turned up, was pretty confident that his footprint would have been wiped, but somebody on twatter/eggs has put up some of it.
EDIT - Using links instead of just the the bullet points.. No grok no more.
eleijeep@piefed.social · 6 pts · 18d
You're posting grok output as if it somehow contributes to the conversation?
Babalugats@feddit.uk · -1 pts · 18d
No, initially I didn't realise it was grok output until after I posted, so I posted how and where the info came from.
But the way it's worded, I'm sure is very easy to look up and clarify.
At the end of the day, ai is just a glorified search engine, often built with a bias purpose in mind, but in that instance, it's just a search result bullet pointed.
eleijeep@piefed.social · 0 pts · 18d
If it's using factual sources to generate its answer then you should find those sources and quote those instead. The fact that it will just make stuff up that sounds plausible means that you have to do the legwork to verify every single word it outputs. If you are verifying it then presumably you're finding sources that you can link.
echodot@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 18d
Well I assumed he was going to be unhinged. Obviously you shouldn't go around murdering people, even people you don't like, but if you are going to go around murdering people you don't like, you should probably start with a more worthy target than Widdecombe who let's be honest, has never been exactly politically relevant.
unknown@piefed.social · -7 pts · 19d
Oh look, it's a white guy. What a surprise.
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net · 11 pts · 18d
I mean... Yeah? This is the UK, the vast majority of people are white. Statistically its very likely to be someone white.
unknown@piefed.social · 2 pts · 18d
That's my point. All the daily heil deformers were on about how it had to be a brown person and how immigrants are all criminals, and once again the actual culprit turned out to be one of theirs, another white british guy.
jabjoe@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 18d
Next supprise will be he is actually a crazy ringwing nut job who is upset she said something that was not right wing enough!
That seams to be the pattern of attempts on rightwing politicians' lives.