No build new features like a whirlpool first, we havn't gotten the time or the manpower to deal with this concern of yours the client is only paying us to add the whirlpool.
If this one was built like the one I took down, some, maybe all, of those boards on the bottom run into the structure itself for support, and those are beefy boards, especially on their side like that. Mine was supported with those and diagonal supports just to prevent sag.
Id guess they are replacing ground-tied supports, and those are just to keep the small bit of pull from causing damage to the roof and stuff while they swap them. Just long enough for the photo.
That or its completely floating and the boards are just for a laugh.
Looks like it's properly cantilevered into the structure of the house. I don't see any joist hangers or any hardware that would indicate a need for additional ground support. It's possible it could be hidden under the siding, but if the deck was being supported at all by the 2x4s they are warped enough where you would be able to see some sag. Most likely theyre there just for laughs.
Though, that roof looks like an add on by the owner, and could be problematic if it snowed a lot.
The problem would be that it does not look to be cantilevered, so the deck is carrying its weight, the weight of the roof, and the possible weight of snow.
So it just kinda depends on how much weight the deck is rated for. Really most of the problem with these kinds of decks is usually moisture control.
Its likely the bottom supports are cantilevered out of the side of the house this held up by the entire weight of the house. The bottom 2x4s, or any boards down there, would effectively do nothing.
Probably just from natural warping, it doesn't look like those are actually bearing any weight. That porch seems to be properly cantilevered into the structure of the house and aren't just slapped on with some joist hangers.
I'm guessing the 2x4 are just there for shits and giggles.
Yeah, last I saw this, it was revealed that it was actually properly cantilevered and the homeowner thought it would be funny to shove some thin boards underneath as a joke.
Just needs a couple of steel shelf brackets like this. That should do it. Steel is really strong, you might think you could bend these with your hands, but you couldn't.
While I'm confident this is what is shown in OP's pic, I'd still want support posts under a girder at the edge. Over-build it the first time and be done with it.
That would explain the use of 2x12 (2x10 maybe?) lumber and how it kinda disappears into the house past the siding. Still, I wouldn't want that lumber exposed to the elements like that - it's like asking for moisture to penetrate the structure.
I suggest an empirical approach. Try having ten people jump up and down simultaneously on the balcony. That will quickly determine, if any action is required.
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Kekzkrieger@feddit.org · 107 pts · 32d
No build new features like a whirlpool first, we havn't gotten the time or the manpower to deal with this concern of yours the client is only paying us to add the whirlpool.
supergrizzlybear@pawb.social · 89 pts · 32d
deck debt
Venator@lemmy.nz · 16 pts · 32d
*Deck tebt
ICastFist@programming.dev · 3 pts · 32d
Docking decks
mastertigurius@lemmy.world · 54 pts · 32d
gives it a good pat
Yeah, that's not going anywhere.
trem@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 49 pts · 32d
I like how they have a thicker piece of wood for holding up the roof than for holding up the deck + roof.
ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 46 pts · 32d
If this one was built like the one I took down, some, maybe all, of those boards on the bottom run into the structure itself for support, and those are beefy boards, especially on their side like that. Mine was supported with those and diagonal supports just to prevent sag.
Id guess they are replacing ground-tied supports, and those are just to keep the small bit of pull from causing damage to the roof and stuff while they swap them. Just long enough for the photo.
That or its completely floating and the boards are just for a laugh.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 28 pts · 32d
The word you're looking for is "cantilevered"
username123@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 32d
Were they actually looking for it?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 30d
Just trying to help chief
okay_employee96@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 30d
The other word they were also looking for is "beams"
blazeknave@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 32d
Does that apply to the glass floor platform thing in the Sears Tower?
notoftenthat@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 31d
blazeknave@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 31d
https://theskydeck.com/
notoftenthat@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 31d
Just a mashup to make light of those who might want to be pedantic about the building...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willis_Tower#Skydeck
https://youtu.be/Qw9oX-kZ_9k
blazeknave@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 31d
I love you.
I refused to call it that when I lived there too lol
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 12 pts · 32d
Looks like it's properly cantilevered into the structure of the house. I don't see any joist hangers or any hardware that would indicate a need for additional ground support. It's possible it could be hidden under the siding, but if the deck was being supported at all by the 2x4s they are warped enough where you would be able to see some sag. Most likely theyre there just for laughs.
Though, that roof looks like an add on by the owner, and could be problematic if it snowed a lot.
ProbablyUnwise@anarchist.nexus · 4 pts · 32d
good thing we won't have to deal with snow much longer, with the world being on fire an all š
athatet@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 32d
Not how climate change works.
ProbablyUnwise@anarchist.nexus · 6 pts · 32d
yes im aware of that, it was supposed to be dark humor
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 32d
The roof looks well engineered too. And it would also have a lighter snow load than the deck if the pitch is decent.
It is harder to shovel than the deck would have been.
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 32d
The problem would be that it does not look to be cantilevered, so the deck is carrying its weight, the weight of the roof, and the possible weight of snow.
So it just kinda depends on how much weight the deck is rated for. Really most of the problem with these kinds of decks is usually moisture control.
AmyAye@nord.pub · 8 pts · 32d
Its likely the bottom supports are cantilevered out of the side of the house this held up by the entire weight of the house. The bottom 2x4s, or any boards down there, would effectively do nothing.
TomMasz@piefed.social · 36 pts · 32d
The bend in those 2x2s is disturbing.
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 38 pts · 32d
Probably just from natural warping, it doesn't look like those are actually bearing any weight. That porch seems to be properly cantilevered into the structure of the house and aren't just slapped on with some joist hangers.
I'm guessing the 2x4 are just there for shits and giggles.
GamingChairModel@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 32d
Yeah, last I saw this, it was revealed that it was actually properly cantilevered and the homeowner thought it would be funny to shove some thin boards underneath as a joke.
Transparent_knoll@awful.systems · 12 pts · 32d
Its a feature, not a bug.
Omgpwnies@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 32d
The straightest Home Depot has to offer!
tempest@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 32d
It's actually forming an arch with the house. This is peak civil engineering.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 32d
Just needs a couple of steel shelf brackets like this. That should do it. Steel is really strong, you might think you could bend these with your hands, but you couldn't.
ViscloReader@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 31d
It's because of the seam, I bet without it would be much weaker, great design šš
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 31d
Also: no ledger board on the house side of that deck. Even with proper post support, it's still a widowmaker.
sudoMakeUser@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 31d
No leger board is a good thing in this case, probably means it's built as a cantilever setup like this
And the tiny supports probably aren't needed at all and they just made a funny photo.
Edit: i have no idea if that far of a span is appropriate for that type of cantilever.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 31d
While I'm confident this is what is shown in OP's pic, I'd still want support posts under a girder at the edge. Over-build it the first time and be done with it.
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 31d
That would explain the use of 2x12 (2x10 maybe?) lumber and how it kinda disappears into the house past the siding. Still, I wouldn't want that lumber exposed to the elements like that - it's like asking for moisture to penetrate the structure.
sudoMakeUser@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 31d
Yeah, the bare wood is certainly a choice if that carries through into the house.
red_tomato@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 32d
āIf it works donāt fix it.ā
Trampampoline@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 32d
If it's stupid and it works, then it's an OSHA violation.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 32d
I suggest an empirical approach. Try having ten people jump up and down simultaneously on the balcony. That will quickly determine, if any action is required.
Sergio@piefed.social · 7 pts · 32d
If you pick the right 10 people, any balcony will fail.
!sumo@lemmy.world
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 31d
Might be a bit of a squeeze. And where is Aonishiki, anyway?
Sergio@piefed.social · 2 pts · 31d
He's behind Onosato, second from right in the back row, he's mostly hidden from view but you can see his feet.
verstra@programming.dev · 14 pts · 32d
If it doesn't fix, work it
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 32d
If I understand wood and math correctly then 2 x 2 equals 4. So that is 4 inches of solid wood for support. You should be okay. /s
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 32d
programmer decides to clean up tech debt *
Deck fails completely *
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 32d
This is NSFW!
housedogpartyfavor@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 32d
NSFL*
CaliforniaSober@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 31d
Illustration asideā¦ this would just be considered a weeks worth of bug clean up by modern code standards.
Aka how divorced code is from reality.
Maybe it gets fixed with a hackathon!
Otherwise fuck off, you donāt understand our code architecture.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 31d
Did you just make up imaginary people to argue with you over your imaginary code?
CaliforniaSober@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 31d
Work in software. Then declare total anythingā¦
āImaginary peopleā is a funny term when you talk like thatā¦
Xanvial@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 32d
You should borrow galvanized square steel from your aunt
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 31d
Peak YouTuber body.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 31d
Get to the far edge and jump a bit to feel how much it gives, then decide.