the worst part is that people still won't believe the government is still doing these things, or that new conspiracies are in motion. they don't seem to even want to confront these facts.
It really is amazing when you present people with all the horrible stuff that's been revealed, and they go oh yeah that all happened, but that was in the past. Like you have the same government with the same interests, same social and economic structures, but somehow think that the same type of society somehow produces different results today than it did previously. Just absolute brain worms.
A limited hangout or partial hangout is a tactic used in media relations, perception management, politics, and information management. The tactic originated as a technique in the espionage trade.
According to Victor Marchetti, a former special assistant to the deputy director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), a limited hangout is "spy jargon for a favorite and frequently used gimmick of the clandestine professionals. When their veil of secrecy is shredded and they can no longer rely on a phony cover story to misinform the public, they resort to admitting—sometimes even volunteering—some of the truth while still managing to withhold the key and damaging facts in the case. The public, however, is usually so intrigued by the new information that it never thinks to pursue the matter further".
Let me tell you what I think is weird about USians. Everyone knows they're ruled by a pedophile cabal who's above the law, yet everyone believes what they say about their enemies.
Everyone knows the pedophile cabal profits by causing death and destruction on a global scale, yet the people have unshakeable reverence for the murder squads.
Everyone knows they're a nation built on genocide and exploitation, and they're largely proud of the American Ideal
They will literally still repeat CIA propaganda that CIA themselves have admitted are false or there are de-classified documents that prove this. And if shown this they will not engage with it. Liberals are genuinely unsalvageable sometimes....
Over the last five years especially, I've noticed that the baseline squishy 'leftist' position on a bunch of topics has quietly, begrudgingly inched closer to what communists have always been saying, while many of the people themselves still take every opportunity to rail against communists. It's starting to feel like the Life of Brian "what have the romans ever done for us" bit. "Other than (this, that, a litany of events past and present)...when have the communists ever been right about anything?"
Or like you said, it's a crazy tankie conspiracy theory right up until it isn't.
Tribalism means that individuals will convince themselves that the group they feel that they belong to are "the good guys" and that the "leaders" of that group are the best kind of leader and doing the right things. This in turn reinforces their feeling of satisfaction with being a member of the group they think they're a member of.
It's a self-sustainable positive feedback cycle.
However, if for some reason people lose the feeling of belonging to that tribe and start feeling that "I'm not like these people", all that starts to unwind.
Yes, and 1 pound is everywhere 1 pound, even on the Moon. The US don't have even a different unit for weight and mass. because when the imperial system was invented they thought that it was the same.
Uh... But a pound IS a pound on the moon, it's a unit of force/weight not mass (I wish we [the US] used metric, just being annoyingly pedantic for fun)
Edit:
Aaaand apparently my brain didn't read your whole comment, you already addressed the weight/mass thing. Long day, laying in bed w headache, can't read
You say it, a Pound is a Pound weight on earth, but weight depends on gravity, so a Pound is only 1/6 Pound on the Moon Imperial system is obsolet crap, maybe enough for a farmer, but in tecnology, science, where you need to work with measures of μ, feet and inches are as usefull like roman numbers for integrals.
A pound is still a pound on the moon, since it's a unit of force not mass. It just requires more mass for a scale to measure that force. I'm an engineer that works on spacecraft, I know units, and hate the imperial system and all the conversions I have to do
Edit: and it's still useful to differentiate between mass and weight/force, just depends on the context. A doctor would want to know an astronaut's mass to accurately track health. But writing up a fitness plan to maintain muscle mass and bone density, force/weight is more relevant because squatting 100 kilograms on the moon isn't as useful a metric as setting it to a specific force in pounds/newtons
Yup, and another side of it is that having these disclosures lets defenders of the system say that there is transparency, and and that's why, despite the flaw, the system really does work overall. Sure, all these terrible things happen, but there is accountability, and disclosure, so really it's all fine.
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umbrella@lemmy.ml · 20 pts · 29d
the worst part is that people still won't believe the government is still doing these things, or that new conspiracies are in motion. they don't seem to even want to confront these facts.
yogthos@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 29d
It really is amazing when you present people with all the horrible stuff that's been revealed, and they go oh yeah that all happened, but that was in the past. Like you have the same government with the same interests, same social and economic structures, but somehow think that the same type of society somehow produces different results today than it did previously. Just absolute brain worms.
PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 28d
It don't even have to be 20 years, some US propaganda stories were unraveled in mere days but this still didn't shaken libs at all.
davel@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 29d
It’s a krazy tankie konspiracy until it isn’t, over and over again.
yogthos@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 29d
and nobody ever learns anything in the process
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 29d
A limited hangout or partial hangout is a tactic used in media relations, perception management, politics, and information management. The tactic originated as a technique in the espionage trade.
calmblue75@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 26d
Eh? Doesn't getting intrigued mean you want to know more?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 25d
It means you want to consume the finer details of the limited hangout.
calmblue75@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 25d
That makes sense, thanks
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 29d
Let me tell you what I think is weird about USians. Everyone knows they're ruled by a pedophile cabal who's above the law, yet everyone believes what they say about their enemies.
Everyone knows the pedophile cabal profits by causing death and destruction on a global scale, yet the people have unshakeable reverence for the murder squads.
Everyone knows they're a nation built on genocide and exploitation, and they're largely proud of the American Ideal
EmmiLime@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 28d
They will literally still repeat CIA propaganda that CIA themselves have admitted are false or there are de-classified documents that prove this. And if shown this they will not engage with it. Liberals are genuinely unsalvageable sometimes....
eldavi@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 29d
it makes me think that cognitive dissonance can be a self perpetuating thing forever.
davel@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 29d
Sure, cognitive dissonance can be self-perpetuating if it’s self-serving, otherwise it requires continued maintenance.
The worse things get under late capitalism, the less self-serving it becomes for the labor aristocracy, the more maintenance will be required.
RiverRock@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 28d
Over the last five years especially, I've noticed that the baseline squishy 'leftist' position on a bunch of topics has quietly, begrudgingly inched closer to what communists have always been saying, while many of the people themselves still take every opportunity to rail against communists. It's starting to feel like the Life of Brian "what have the romans ever done for us" bit. "Other than (this, that, a litany of events past and present)...when have the communists ever been right about anything?"
Or like you said, it's a crazy tankie conspiracy theory right up until it isn't.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 28d
Indeed.
Tribalism means that individuals will convince themselves that the group they feel that they belong to are "the good guys" and that the "leaders" of that group are the best kind of leader and doing the right things. This in turn reinforces their feeling of satisfaction with being a member of the group they think they're a member of.
It's a self-sustainable positive feedback cycle.
However, if for some reason people lose the feeling of belonging to that tribe and start feeling that "I'm not like these people", all that starts to unwind.
trolololol@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 28d
The WHAT?
davel@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 28d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_aristocracy
trolololol@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 27d
👍
Zerush@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 29d
They measure things with body parts and random units. Eating industrial waste, believing it's food.
davel@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 29d
My feet are always with me. Do you carry a meter stick everywhere you go? I thought not.
Zerush@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 29d
Ok, if it is allowed to remove your shoe to measure a furniture you want to buy, i.e. only if your foot actually measures exactly one foot
davel@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 29d
My guy, every foot measures exactly one foot.
Fancy_Gecko@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 29d
my foot or your foot ?
davel@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 29d
Yes.
trolololol@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 28d
On your ass? I don't mind which foot 😂😎
Zerush@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 28d
Yes, and 1 pound is everywhere 1 pound, even on the Moon. The US don't have even a different unit for weight and mass. because when the imperial system was invented they thought that it was the same.
piranhaconda@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 28d
Uh... But a pound IS a pound on the moon, it's a unit of force/weight not mass (I wish we [the US] used metric, just being annoyingly pedantic for fun)
Edit: Aaaand apparently my brain didn't read your whole comment, you already addressed the weight/mass thing. Long day, laying in bed w headache, can't read
davel@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 28d
Limmy [sic] explains: What’s heavier, a kilogram of steel or a kilogram of feathers?
Zerush@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 28d
You say it, a Pound is a Pound weight on earth, but weight depends on gravity, so a Pound is only 1/6 Pound on the Moon Imperial system is obsolet crap, maybe enough for a farmer, but in tecnology, science, where you need to work with measures of μ, feet and inches are as usefull like roman numbers for integrals.
piranhaconda@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 28d
A pound is still a pound on the moon, since it's a unit of force not mass. It just requires more mass for a scale to measure that force. I'm an engineer that works on spacecraft, I know units, and hate the imperial system and all the conversions I have to do
Edit: and it's still useful to differentiate between mass and weight/force, just depends on the context. A doctor would want to know an astronaut's mass to accurately track health. But writing up a fitness plan to maintain muscle mass and bone density, force/weight is more relevant because squatting 100 kilograms on the moon isn't as useful a metric as setting it to a specific force in pounds/newtons
altphoto@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 28d
The concentration camps. We have concentration camps now. Those things.
pineapple@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 28d
trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 28d
Are we really doing Assadism in 2026
pineapple@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 28d
Why do they declassify them at all? It would be much easier if they just kept them classified.
yogthos@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 28d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout
dessalines@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 28d
This is correct. By exposing some but not all of the picture, they get to manage the story, and steer it in acceptable directions.
If its a full leak that's out of their control, then heads start rolling.
yogthos@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 28d
Yup, and another side of it is that having these disclosures lets defenders of the system say that there is transparency, and and that's why, despite the flaw, the system really does work overall. Sure, all these terrible things happen, but there is accountability, and disclosure, so really it's all fine.
pineapple@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 28d
Thanks
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 28d
2, every 2 years or so. They are 20 years old, but throughput is 0.5/year.
Fancy_Gecko@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 29d
and every time the answer is , nothing !