But the body of the article also claims that it isn't a genocide, and tries to conflate antizionism with antisemitism by saying that people who call it a genocide are one of those things (or both), and that it's just a way to hate on Jewish people (instead of it clearly being a charge against the Israeli government). Per the text:
So why does the argument over the word “genocide” matter? Two reasons.
First, while some pundits and scholars may sincerely believe the genocide charge, it is also used by anti-Zionists and antisemites to equate modern Israel with Nazi Germany. The effect is to license a new wave of Jew hatred, stirring enmity not only for the Israeli government but also for any Jew who supports Israel as a genocide supporter. It’s a tactic Israel haters have pursued for years with inflated or bogus charges of Israeli massacres or war crimes that, on close inspection, weren’t. The genocide charge is more of the same but with deadlier effects.
I wish that was more helpful in understanding their views, but unfortunately I've seen pro-israeli people who try to couch things by mentioning that the killing of Palestinians is bad, but (insert qualifier for why Israel has a right to defend itself, etc). To be clear I'm not saying that qrstuv is doing that as well there, just that it doesn't really clear things up as much as hoped.
I also want to mention I am not a fan of purity testing, I think it can result in witch hunts and potentially mob sentiment, but there is a point where it's useful for someone to make their views clear so as not to be misunderstood. qrstuv has been posting what I would personally consider pro-israeli propaganda nytimes articles for quite some time now, without ever adding any of their own additional context that would clearly show they are posting it to point out how ridiculous it is, to mock, etc.
Some Examples (most of which now appear to be deleted from sdf itself? but are still are visible on my instance):
I'm a big fan of Funhole, and I get that this is a very jokey sorta group where serious responses aren't the norm, but I do think in this instance it'd probably be appropriate for them to be less ambiguous on their stance just to clear the air here.
Not that there aren't sometimes genuine instances of mod abuse, but how is a mod supposed to defend themselves and their reputation without being able to reply to reports on here with their reasoning?
This is a safe space. If anyone is pleased at the abuse that has been levied towards a thread creator, then it's victim abuse, regardless of their involvement.
51 Comments
Demigodrick@piefed.zip · 17 pts · 29d
Hi there
You got banned from lemmy.zip (over a year ago btw) for denying the genocide in Palestine.
This has the effect of removing the communities you moderate too, otherwise they wouldn't be moderated from our side.
Quite happy standing by that decision.
socsa@piefed.social · 5 pts · 29d
Is there a link to the denial?
Demigodrick@piefed.zip · 16 pts · 29d
It's hard to traverse when someone has been banned & their content removed - thats just the first thing that jumps out in the modlog.
socsa@piefed.social · 13 pts · 29d
Ouch. Thank you for posting revelatory content...
pmjv@lemmy.sdf.org · 4 pts · 29d
it's a title of an article that was shared in c/news
The block boss doesn't understand that.
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net · 10 pts · 29d
But the body of the article also claims that it isn't a genocide, and tries to conflate antizionism with antisemitism by saying that people who call it a genocide are one of those things (or both), and that it's just a way to hate on Jewish people (instead of it clearly being a charge against the Israeli government). Per the text:
What is qrstuv's stance on the body of the text?
pmjv@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 29d
You would have to ask him.
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 29d
I wish that was more helpful in understanding their views, but unfortunately I've seen pro-israeli people who try to couch things by mentioning that the killing of Palestinians is bad, but (insert qualifier for why Israel has a right to defend itself, etc). To be clear I'm not saying that qrstuv is doing that as well there, just that it doesn't really clear things up as much as hoped.
I also want to mention I am not a fan of purity testing, I think it can result in witch hunts and potentially mob sentiment, but there is a point where it's useful for someone to make their views clear so as not to be misunderstood. qrstuv has been posting what I would personally consider pro-israeli propaganda nytimes articles for quite some time now, without ever adding any of their own additional context that would clearly show they are posting it to point out how ridiculous it is, to mock, etc.
Some Examples (most of which now appear to be deleted from sdf itself? but are still are visible on my instance):
I'm a big fan of Funhole, and I get that this is a very jokey sorta group where serious responses aren't the norm, but I do think in this instance it'd probably be appropriate for them to be less ambiguous on their stance just to clear the air here.
That's just my 2 cents.
marduk@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 29d
Can't prove OP isn't the NYT
pmjv@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 29d
Touché!
notwesker@lemmy.sdf.org MOD · -10 pts · 29d
rule 1 victim blaming
Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 29d
Not that there aren't sometimes genuine instances of mod abuse, but how is a mod supposed to defend themselves and their reputation without being able to reply to reports on here with their reasoning?
notwesker@lemmy.sdf.org · -6 pts · 29d
By not including the victim blaming at the very end of their otherwise perfectly fine post.
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 29d
How is them stating they are willing to stand by a decision they made victim blaming?
notwesker@lemmy.sdf.org · -6 pts · 29d
This is a safe space. If anyone is pleased at the abuse that has been levied towards a thread creator, then it's victim abuse, regardless of their involvement.
Linearity@piefed.zip · 11 pts · 29d
wtf? I thought .zip was one of the more flexible instances; they even federate with hexbear. What could have possibly happened?
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 29d
Maybe "hexbear" is where you should start your search? It's the worst lemmy out there.
qrstuv@lemmy.sdf.org · -9 pts · 29d
Thank you for your support.
pieguy@lemmy.sdf.org · 9 pts · 30d
Well that's denialism for y'a: They're denying their userbase access to your content
qrstuv@lemmy.sdf.org · -7 pts · 29d
Thank you for your support.
Krusty@quokk.au · 7 pts · 29d
I have that entire instance blocked.
qrstuv@lemmy.sdf.org · -7 pts · 29d
Thank you for your support.
wesker@lemmy.sdf.org · 7 pts · 29d
I'm so sorry this happened to you again, and again.
qrstuv@lemmy.sdf.org · -6 pts · 29d
Thank you for your support.
originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com · 6 pts · 30d
gotta be better instances out there that dont make those decisions for users
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 29d
OP was instance banned for being a zionist, so meh. TDI.
qrstuv@lemmy.sdf.org · -5 pts · 29d
Thank you for your support.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 29d
Shut up.
notwesker@lemmy.sdf.org MOD · 0 pts · 29d
rule 1 victim blaming
CovfefeKills@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 28d
You win the Victim Olympics here is your golden haemorrhoid pillow, coward.
notwesker@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 28d
I'm just mod.
pmjv@lemmy.sdf.org · 5 pts · 30d
I'm so sorry you've done this to us!
qrstuv@lemmy.sdf.org · -7 pts · 29d
Thank you for your support.
pieguy@lemmy.sdf.org · 5 pts · 29d
wait wtf there's no search query for me to giggle at!
qrstuv@lemmy.sdf.org · -4 pts · 29d
Thank you for your support.
prettybunnys@piefed.social · 3 pts · 29d
Thank you for abusing the mods
mrdown@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 28d
Fuck you zionazi
notwesker@lemmy.sdf.org MOD · 0 pts · 28d
rule 1 victim blaming
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 28d
You got banned for being a zionist? If anything, for having to interact with your content, mods were the victims here. You're breaking rule 1.
notwesker@lemmy.sdf.org MOD · 0 pts · 28d
rule 1 victim blaming
Krusty@quokk.au · 2 pts · 29d
Uhm. You're banned there.
Try your current account server: https://lemmy.sdf.org/c/funhole (manually copy and paste this into a new tab if needed)
And not https://lemmy.zip/ ...
decolo@piefed.social · 2 pts · 29d
directional clicking intensifies
ParadoxConstant@thelemmy.club · -4 pts · 29d
I’m so sorry this happened to you.