Is it really a gotcha when the person born into a position of power, whose entire lives are shaped by clawing for power under feudalism does the thing that gets them power?
I mean why would it not be the aristocrat? Down with the nobility! I feel like the goblin dude is only going for his own species going by his description.
Is there one where Mary secretly worships an evil god and trying to sacrifice the party, Eric is a noble and wants to lead the upstart lowborns to their doom, Brock was a child when Eric's king and Mary's religion destroyed all he knew, etc, everyone secretly plotting against the entire party?
Each one having their own agenda is rare. There was one I read about everyone betraying the MC because he was a lowly human then each went to do their stuff but he MC because such an overpowered trope character that I dropped it by chapter 70ish. Something about unlimited Garcha 9999 or whatever.
The extremely common trope is that the whole party conspires against the MC, which then turns into a revenge story. Then sometimes they still are assholes, other times they are sorry... But yeah.
Oh i read it too lmao, i decided to continue to read it to see how much worse it would get, the MC is just so fucking overpowered and at some point they manage to get hold of some fucking country and bullshit, the world building is decent tho and not totally unrealistic that everyone looks down on humans
Ha no, I held out until they were going under earth with some dwarves or some bullshit. My tolerance for crap is very high lol.
The discrimination thing is believable, what's not believable is how people act when someone clearly incredibly powerfull shows up, just because of the race. I get racism, but he freaking obliterated so much stuff, it's crazy the disrespect he still gets.
It's the classic trope of the author not knowing how to evolve a story and recycling the same plot several times. When they finally evolved the story with the dwarves thing, it became extremely boring which shows that the author doesn't know how to actually write a story outside of tropes, that's why I dropped it.
how people act when someone clearly incredibly powerfull shows up,
Exactly, "oh you are a human! You must be weak as fu-" start flexing it's power "ah- you must be clearly cheating or sum" YOU ARE ABOUT TO DIE, STFU AND RUN
This is why I dislike even knowing the simple fact that there is some twist in the show I am going to watch. Even knowing that there is a twist is somewhat of a spoiler, and you are left guessing what it might be the entire time you are watching it.
Last year I watched LotR for the first time (yesyes) and I was shocked that
::: spoiler Spoiler
the wizard with the spikey black tower that looks like a torture dildo in the middle of a lush forest was one of the baddies!
:::
Eric the Noble spent thousands of gold on his image, otherwise he begged Jeffrey the Noble (later Jeffrey the Child Rapist) to let him on his island, excommunicated his trans daughter, and bought up public square "Twitter" to control it. Xavier just likes to backstab cannibals.
Reminds me of that 'So You Want To Be A Superhero ' show by Stan Lee. There was a person that was a plant to betray the rest of the heroes. His name was Rotiart. Traitor backwards. It worked though because it was just the first episode and I didn't notice till afterwards.
Some of Shu Takumi’s games did a good job of building up foil characters; they seem just suspicious enough to convince viewers they’re the twist villain. But as it turns out, all their goals are noble.
AAInvestigations 2 had perhaps the best one though. Very little attention on the actions of the mastermind, but the few things they do stand out so it feels like you should’ve known, rather than feeling like a Butler Did It.
Old time sci-fi adventure show Blake's 7 did the ultimate twist
::: spoiler spoiler
___They killed Blake but kept the name, because he'd become so famous.
:::
They will get introduced for 3 minutes in the beginning as a side-character, never get mentioned again to the point you forget them, and then backstab the main cast 3 minutes before the end.
Can you guess which one is the evil dark magician that hides their actions in a veil of darkness, murders children and is inspired by someone who revived a world destroying demon to get revenge on his father because he left them because god gave him power to protect the planet from that demon, but required him to leave his family (he agreed, influenced by the fact that his wife was also killed by that demon)
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Casuls_Die_Thrice@lemmy.zip · 67 pts · 1d
And it ends up being the noble just to pull a “Gotcha!” for subversion’s sake.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 61 pts · 1d
Is it really a gotcha when the person born into a position of power, whose entire lives are shaped by clawing for power under feudalism does the thing that gets them power?
Legianus@programming.dev · 17 pts · 1d
I mean why would it not be the aristocrat? Down with the nobility! I feel like the goblin dude is only going for his own species going by his description.
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 61 pts · 1d
The obvious answer would be either Eric or Mary, let's be real. I've read way too many of these kind of stories.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 0 pts · 19h
Is there one where Mary secretly worships an evil god and trying to sacrifice the party, Eric is a noble and wants to lead the upstart lowborns to their doom, Brock was a child when Eric's king and Mary's religion destroyed all he knew, etc, everyone secretly plotting against the entire party?
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 13h
Each one having their own agenda is rare. There was one I read about everyone betraying the MC because he was a lowly human then each went to do their stuff but he MC because such an overpowered trope character that I dropped it by chapter 70ish. Something about unlimited Garcha 9999 or whatever.
The extremely common trope is that the whole party conspires against the MC, which then turns into a revenge story. Then sometimes they still are assholes, other times they are sorry... But yeah.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 1 pts · 12h
Oh i read it too lmao, i decided to continue to read it to see how much worse it would get, the MC is just so fucking overpowered and at some point they manage to get hold of some fucking country and bullshit, the world building is decent tho and not totally unrealistic that everyone looks down on humans
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 10h
Ha no, I held out until they were going under earth with some dwarves or some bullshit. My tolerance for crap is very high lol.
The discrimination thing is believable, what's not believable is how people act when someone clearly incredibly powerfull shows up, just because of the race. I get racism, but he freaking obliterated so much stuff, it's crazy the disrespect he still gets.
It's the classic trope of the author not knowing how to evolve a story and recycling the same plot several times. When they finally evolved the story with the dwarves thing, it became extremely boring which shows that the author doesn't know how to actually write a story outside of tropes, that's why I dropped it.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 1 pts · 9h
Exactly, "oh you are a human! You must be weak as fu-" start flexing it's power "ah- you must be clearly cheating or sum" YOU ARE ABOUT TO DIE, STFU AND RUN
Anyway, yeah i dropped it too
brown567@sh.itjust.works · 52 pts · 1d
Well it can't be Xavier, he spends all his time backstabbing cannibals
tetris11@feddit.uk · 0 pts · 1d
Aye, and a fine backstabber he is
mrfriki@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 1d
My bet is on the noble, the more wealthier the more rotten.
tetris11@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 1d
Brock the Brave is literally hiding his face. Pretty cowardly move for someone who has nothing to hide....
rockerface@lemmy.cafe · 20 pts · 1d
Definitely Mary. After Miquella the Kind, it becomes obvious.
FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 1d
Actually Mary is secretly the goddess who started you on your quest.
rockerface@lemmy.cafe · 11 pts · 1d
Okay, that's definitely evil
SatyrSack@quokk.au · 19 pts · 1d
This is why I dislike even knowing the simple fact that there is some twist in the show I am going to watch. Even knowing that there is a twist is somewhat of a spoiler, and you are left guessing what it might be the entire time you are watching it.
Katana314@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
I kind of remember getting silently angry at media when I learn there isn’t a twist. Big bad, they fight, all ends, show’s over. What??
untorquer@quokk.au · 17 pts · 1d
Consistently the cannibal backstabber turns out to be kind and just an ex social outcast while the noble actually cuts deals with the bbeg
aeiou@piefed.social · 4 pts · 1d
The Bouncy Belligerent Equine Genius?
Bold Bald Enterprise Guy?
Big Beautiful Enby Gorilla?
Rampsquatch@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1d
Big Bad Evil Guy
creamfresh@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1d
Last year I watched LotR for the first time (yesyes) and I was shocked that ::: spoiler Spoiler the wizard with the spikey black tower that looks like a torture dildo in the middle of a lush forest was one of the baddies! :::
DrPop@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Hey hey hey, if that spoiler tag wasn't there I would have known Magneto was a bad guy.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1d
Eric the Noble spent thousands of gold on his image, otherwise he begged Jeffrey the Noble (later Jeffrey the Child Rapist) to let him on his island, excommunicated his trans daughter, and bought up public square "Twitter" to control it. Xavier just likes to backstab cannibals.
Philharmonic3@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1d
Eric the Noble. Does Griffith ring a bell??
Notyou@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 23h
Reminds me of that 'So You Want To Be A Superhero ' show by Stan Lee. There was a person that was a plant to betray the rest of the heroes. His name was Rotiart. Traitor backwards. It worked though because it was just the first episode and I didn't notice till afterwards.
Semotto@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 22h
Probably Brock, he looks suspicious
Katana314@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
Some of Shu Takumi’s games did a good job of building up foil characters; they seem just suspicious enough to convince viewers they’re the twist villain. But as it turns out, all their goals are noble.
AAInvestigations 2 had perhaps the best one though. Very little attention on the actions of the mastermind, but the few things they do stand out so it feels like you should’ve known, rather than feeling like a Butler Did It.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 23h
my money is on Mary.
there's something about her...
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 4 pts · 1d
Old time sci-fi adventure show Blake's 7 did the ultimate twist ::: spoiler spoiler
___They killed Blake but kept the name, because he'd become so famous.
:::
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
They will get introduced for 3 minutes in the beginning as a side-character, never get mentioned again to the point you forget them, and then backstab the main cast 3 minutes before the end.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 3 pts · 12h
Of course it's either the noble or mary... or both
atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 1d
Can you guess which one is the evil dark magician that hides their actions in a veil of darkness, murders children and is inspired by someone who revived a world destroying demon to get revenge on his father because he left them because god gave him power to protect the planet from that demon, but required him to leave his family (he agreed, influenced by the fact that his wife was also killed by that demon)
GottaHaveFaith@fedia.io · 2 pts · 1d
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_r3ULoXuMY
tetris11@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 1d
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxHEZU0AFcQ
GottaHaveFaith@fedia.io · 2 pts · 22h
I love Key and Peele <3