The "clever" part is describing the effects of capitalism, that a business owner profits off the value of the workers' labour without working themselves, but re-encodes it to instead be about how the workers' hard work and wages are being taken and "redistributed" to someone who didn't earn them.
This "the lazy person gets your hard work" framing is one of the most popular ways Americans are scared away from socialism or communism, so by turning the situation upside down here it's attaching the same framing to capitalism instead. And then arguing for a united workforce to protect "capitalism" from the dangers of "communism"
Roger that. Thank you for the more experienced explanation that may enlighten the case from another angle.
These are frequent employment challenges in Europe and Russia/Asia I witnessed enough to believe someone tries fighting for their rights and effort to be financially compensated. I'll reconsider it.
No it's bait for someone trying to get a rise out of conservatives or trying to trick them into agreeing capitalist behaviour is bad, if only we call it communism.
The user who wrote that text is trolling, it's not genuine.
Roger that. Thank you for the more experienced explanation that may enlighten the case from another angle.
These are frequent employment challenges in Europe and Russia/Asia I witnessed enough to believe someone tries fighting for their rights and effort to be financially compensated. Iāll reconsider it.
Let's hope it's indeed "trolling" and not a call for help...
Wie OOP es schafft alles zwischen reinem Kapitalismus und reinem Kommunismus durch den Fleischwolf zu drehen und jeden Aspekt durch sein Gegenteil zu ersetzen, das ist schon perfekt.
Daher tippe ich eher auf Satire.
Andererseits: Truth is stranger than fiction.
Wer weiĆ š¤·
Ich wƤre gern dabei gewesen als das in r/conservative eingeschlagen ist. Diese Suche zeigt dass es inzwischen copypasta-Status hat, von r/conservative aber lƤngst entfernt.
Herzlichen GlĆ¼ckwunsch, du hast gerade Sozialismus entdeckt und Gewerkschaften erfunden.
(Konservative) Menschen sind wirklich so dumm. Ich sollte es gewohnt sein, aber es schockiert mich immer wieder. Oder ist das ein Troll-Post? Ich kanns langsam echt nicht mehr unterscheiden.
Ich bin mir auch total unsicher. Einiges sagt in mir das wurde von einen Linken Troll da gepostet. Aaaber :) ich hab so Ƥhnliche dinge auch schon ernsthaft gehƶrt von rechten. Also. Wenn es ein troll ist dann parodiert er zumindest reale sachen
I know the original poster is joking/trolling, but I am reading animal farm right now and I can't say I'm surprised that so many Americans reference it. It's only one hundred pages long, at that is the edition that has a puffy spacing between the lines and generous margins. It's so becoming to use as a propaganda vehicle against uprisings against oppression, even though Orwell does not strictly advocate capitalism when you read the book closely.
The book identifies concentrated power as the villain. The farmer has complete control over the lives of the animals, and used that to better his life without concern for theirs.
The pigs are given complete control, and use that power to do the same.
It doesn't matter what you call the system, concentrated power is authoritarian by definition, and is invariably harmful to those who do not hold power.
and is invariably harmful to those who do not hold power.
So, if I have someone who drags me into the military ā into a losing battle perhaps ā and harm them out of self defence, is that really all that terrible for my interests? I would say I would benefit greatly. If I got together with a bunch of soldiers who all are tired of fighting and decide with them to usurp our masters, how is that not concentrating the power, and more importantly how is that necessarily a bad thing?
If you don't institute an egalitarian society after the revolution, you're just replacing one authoritarian government with another. That's certainly good for you, but when you're in power, you're not part of "those who do not hold power" anymore.
I think this is bullshit. This society everyone is living in is egalitarian already. No country claims to be anti-egalitarian, pretty much all, with the exception of Israel, are built on this idea of equality among citizens.
Egalitarianism in practice means same rights and duties for all, it's not the guarantee of having your needs met. If someone does manage to get an edge in an egalitarian society, there is no stringent mechanism implied to prevent this person from accruing wealth or power from the principle of egalitarianism alone. Egalitarianism itself is too abstract.
āEvery line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic Socialism, as I understand it.ā
33 Comments
MrSulu@lemmy.ml · 35 pts · 18d
I do not know if this original article is terribly clever or genuinely and terribly stupid.
hexabs@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 18d
It was posted to r/conservative. Definetly a god tier bait to get those nuts to agree with the unity of labor aka unions.
MrSulu@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 18d
Oh yes indeed. I am chuckling thinking of the 1-2 smarter users in r/conservative trying to prevent the flood of likes š¤£š¤£š¤£ššš
hayvan@piefed.world · 25 pts · 18d
I was about to get angry but I think it's terribly clever.
MrSulu@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 18d
I'm with you in thinking it a parody
artwork@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 18d
May I ask what's not smart about it? The person seems to just try finding a way of out miserable financial state the best they can.
psycotica0@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 18d
The "clever" part is describing the effects of capitalism, that a business owner profits off the value of the workers' labour without working themselves, but re-encodes it to instead be about how the workers' hard work and wages are being taken and "redistributed" to someone who didn't earn them.
This "the lazy person gets your hard work" framing is one of the most popular ways Americans are scared away from socialism or communism, so by turning the situation upside down here it's attaching the same framing to capitalism instead. And then arguing for a united workforce to protect "capitalism" from the dangers of "communism"
artwork@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 17d
Roger that. Thank you for the more experienced explanation that may enlighten the case from another angle.
These are frequent employment challenges in Europe and Russia/Asia I witnessed enough to believe someone tries fighting for their rights and effort to be financially compensated. I'll reconsider it.
ChairmanMeow@programming.dev · 9 pts · 18d
It's clever bait.
artwork@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 18d
A bait for what? For a suggestion someone searches for for their next step?
There are other whole Communities for these cases, too, of course. For example:
- https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/communication
- https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/salary
- https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/team
ChairmanMeow@programming.dev · 4 pts · 18d
No it's bait for someone trying to get a rise out of conservatives or trying to trick them into agreeing capitalist behaviour is bad, if only we call it communism.
The user who wrote that text is trolling, it's not genuine.
artwork@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 17d
Roger that. Thank you for the more experienced explanation that may enlighten the case from another angle.
These are frequent employment challenges in Europe and Russia/Asia I witnessed enough to believe someone tries fighting for their rights and effort to be financially compensated. Iāll reconsider it.
Let's hope it's indeed "trolling" and not a call for help...
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 16 pts · 18d
Wie OOP es schafft alles zwischen reinem Kapitalismus und reinem Kommunismus durch den Fleischwolf zu drehen und jeden Aspekt durch sein Gegenteil zu ersetzen, das ist schon perfekt.
Daher tippe ich eher auf Satire.
Andererseits: Truth is stranger than fiction.
Wer weiĆ š¤·
Ich wƤre gern dabei gewesen als das in r/conservative eingeschlagen ist. Diese Suche zeigt dass es inzwischen copypasta-Status hat, von r/conservative aber lƤngst entfernt.
neukenindekeuken@feddit.org · 6 pts · 18d
Die JPGfizierung zeigt es ist vermutlich auch schon ein paar jahre her. Die kommentare waren sicher lustig
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 18d
mind. 5:
https://www.reddit.com/user/concerned-anticommie/Captain_Baka@feddit.org · 12 pts · 18d
Herzlichen GlĆ¼ckwunsch, du hast gerade Sozialismus entdeckt und Gewerkschaften erfunden.
(Konservative) Menschen sind wirklich so dumm. Ich sollte es gewohnt sein, aber es schockiert mich immer wieder. Oder ist das ein Troll-Post? Ich kanns langsam echt nicht mehr unterscheiden.
neukenindekeuken@feddit.org · 21 pts · 18d
Ich bin mir auch total unsicher. Einiges sagt in mir das wurde von einen Linken Troll da gepostet. Aaaber :) ich hab so Ƥhnliche dinge auch schon ernsthaft gehƶrt von rechten. Also. Wenn es ein troll ist dann parodiert er zumindest reale sachen
distal@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 18d
I know the original poster is joking/trolling, but I am reading animal farm right now and I can't say I'm surprised that so many Americans reference it. It's only one hundred pages long, at that is the edition that has a puffy spacing between the lines and generous margins. It's so becoming to use as a propaganda vehicle against uprisings against oppression, even though Orwell does not strictly advocate capitalism when you read the book closely.
skibidi@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 18d
Even a surface level reading doesn't advocate capitalism... The ending explicitly equates communism and capitalism.
The book is anti-authoritarian, in any guise.
distal@lemmy.ml · -5 pts · 18d
And that conclusion is something that makes the book a bit ridiculous.
skibidi@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 18d
The book identifies concentrated power as the villain. The farmer has complete control over the lives of the animals, and used that to better his life without concern for theirs.
The pigs are given complete control, and use that power to do the same.
It doesn't matter what you call the system, concentrated power is authoritarian by definition, and is invariably harmful to those who do not hold power.
distal@lemmy.ml · -5 pts · 18d
So, if I have someone who drags me into the military ā into a losing battle perhaps ā and harm them out of self defence, is that really all that terrible for my interests? I would say I would benefit greatly. If I got together with a bunch of soldiers who all are tired of fighting and decide with them to usurp our masters, how is that not concentrating the power, and more importantly how is that necessarily a bad thing?
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 13 pts · 18d
If you don't institute an egalitarian society after the revolution, you're just replacing one authoritarian government with another. That's certainly good for you, but when you're in power, you're not part of "those who do not hold power" anymore.
distal@lemmy.ml · -6 pts · 18d
I think this is bullshit. This society everyone is living in is egalitarian already. No country claims to be anti-egalitarian, pretty much all, with the exception of Israel, are built on this idea of equality among citizens.
Egalitarianism in practice means same rights and duties for all, it's not the guarantee of having your needs met. If someone does manage to get an edge in an egalitarian society, there is no stringent mechanism implied to prevent this person from accruing wealth or power from the principle of egalitarianism alone. Egalitarianism itself is too abstract.
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org · 3 pts · 18d
Totally not an ML tho, right? Lmao
https://feddit.org/comment/14595509
Enkrod@feddit.org · 6 pts · 17d