Chainmail will work (with a grounding element). Electricity conductive plastics (like mylar) or metals in the clothing that won't be too torn can also work.
In general the goal is to make it so the path of least resistance to the ground is not through you.
At least that's what I'd say off my experience using electricity to induce pain in people recreationally
Might be interesting to see what happens if they grab someone wearing conductive fabric. Give it a path of least resistance that doesn't include the person being groped.
Nothing would happen... The circuit is between the pads on the gloves, you'd have to complete the circuit going through the brown shirt to do anything unexpected... Which is entirely unfeasible in any real world situation
If your clothing is conductive, it's just going to mostly flow through your clothing. Depending on thermal properties and how much current these gloves put out, it might heat up the clothing enough to cause burns
I was thinking more about what would happen with the gloves themselves. Not sure if it'd break them or convert them into high-intensity hand warmers (or your suggestion or nothing, for that matter). Guess I could pick up one of those crappy $10 stun gun flashlight things and see how those respond to a conductor between the prongs but probably won't.
I take that to mean I'd want to have a heat-insulating layer between the conductive material and my skin in that case to avoid burns. Used to play with disposable camera flash (light, not memory) circuit boards and I broke a few by connecting things that ought not be connected so I've been basing my expectations off of that. Zapped some friends, some friends zapped me, good times were had by all.
It's the sort of thing that probably won't really click until I've tried it out but I appreciate you giving me some stuff to think about in the meantime.
Absolutely, and I largely understand this because I experimented, don't forget the battery
The gloves, and any taser, should have some kind of cutoff. But if they didn't and you dropped something like a perfect sheet of graphene between the contacts?
Something will melt in the circuit, if it's not in the conductor it's going to be in the battery
Okay, that's the sort of catastrophic failure I was hoping for. Lowest-bidder junk might skimp on the safety features, especially if they don't think the people buying them will care enough to check. Also why my test plan involves pushing the button with a stick so I'm not holding it when the angry pixies come out to play.
Just think hit many orioles healthcare that could cover instead. Or if that were put towards solving affordability issues. It’s almost like this administration has wildly different priorities.
The goal of stun guns is to lock the victims muscles up so they can't move. These gloves don't appear to do that and according to the manual someone else can be holding the victim while they are being used. The primary purpose of these gloves seems to be to cause pain. From their manual:
CD3s function by over-stimulating the sense of
touch within the Peripheral Nervous System which causes Neuro Peripheral Interference or NPI. CD3
technology delivers a pain stimulus strictly to the area of the epidermis contacted by the CD3
The manual specifically says not to use them for torture but you know it definitely will be.
It also says not to apply it for more than 12seconds or to the throat, groin or face but considering it takes 2 hands to (de)activate it I don't see the piggies taking their hands off the victim to comply with that.
There are many practices that police and prisons routinely use in the US that are internationally recognized as torture
Also, the US just froze the assets of two ICC judges that worked on the case to create an arrest warrent for Israel's Prime Minister.
The US is a rogue terrorist State that is profiting from Genocide and routinely commits crimes against humanity by torturing their citizens and non-citizens.
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Amuro_eat@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 37 pts · 2d
So the gloves are made by company owned by a donor for the child rapist crew
wheezy@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 2d
We're in the world now where I'd be more surprised if they weren't.
Amuro_eat@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 2d
Yeah, I guess at least it’s all really predictable these days. The mundaneness of evil.
TimboSlice@discuss.online · 2 pts · 1d
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 1d
You're gonna need to narrow that down.
I think >90% of public companies have shares owned by the Epstein class.
BooBees@fedinsfw.app · 1 pts · 2d
I mean, duh. It’s important information, but did anyway not just know this would be the case?
yonderbarn@lazysoci.al · 12 pts · 2d
Fuck it. Bring out the guns.
bufalo1973@piefed.social · 5 pts · 2d
No need for guns. Just a bucket of water.
stringere@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 1d
Elsewhere someone mentioned they're made not to shock the wearer if wet but don't immerse in water.
I was thinking maybe conductive netting. They'd have to pull it off of themselves...
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
That's just a path of least resistance
AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 2d
Is there any way to disrupt or damage these gloves when they're used?
bufalo1973@piefed.social · 7 pts · 2d
Water can do the job. Maybe the gloves won't stop working... but the one wearing them will.
Lennny@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
Chaff grenades with conductive metals. Let them burn themselves.
sculptor0725@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 2d
Not really. They're water resistant. Like, they say not to dunk it in water, but also that it won't shock the wearer if it gets wet.
Defensive measures are possible: It won't work through thick clothing as well.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Chainmail will work (with a grounding element). Electricity conductive plastics (like mylar) or metals in the clothing that won't be too torn can also work.
In general the goal is to make it so the path of least resistance to the ground is not through you.
At least that's what I'd say off my experience using electricity to induce pain in people recreationally
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
Might be interesting to see what happens if they grab someone wearing conductive fabric. Give it a path of least resistance that doesn't include the person being groped.
theneverfox@pawb.social · 2 pts · 16h
Nothing would happen... The circuit is between the pads on the gloves, you'd have to complete the circuit going through the brown shirt to do anything unexpected... Which is entirely unfeasible in any real world situation
If your clothing is conductive, it's just going to mostly flow through your clothing. Depending on thermal properties and how much current these gloves put out, it might heat up the clothing enough to cause burns
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15h
I was thinking more about what would happen with the gloves themselves. Not sure if it'd break them or convert them into high-intensity hand warmers (or your suggestion or nothing, for that matter). Guess I could pick up one of those crappy $10 stun gun flashlight things and see how those respond to a conductor between the prongs but probably won't.
theneverfox@pawb.social · 2 pts · 11h
I mean, I can just tell you
If you put a conductor between the prongs, it'll complete the circuit. Better than air does, by a lot. Circuit complete. Simple as that
Where does the heat go? That's the question you should be asking. Thermodynamics aren't a suggestion
Do you understand what I mean? You should definitely ask follow up questions if you're still unsure about how your little experiment would go
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 10h
I take that to mean I'd want to have a heat-insulating layer between the conductive material and my skin in that case to avoid burns. Used to play with disposable camera flash (light, not memory) circuit boards and I broke a few by connecting things that ought not be connected so I've been basing my expectations off of that. Zapped some friends, some friends zapped me, good times were had by all.
It's the sort of thing that probably won't really click until I've tried it out but I appreciate you giving me some stuff to think about in the meantime.
theneverfox@pawb.social · 2 pts · 10h
Absolutely, and I largely understand this because I experimented, don't forget the battery
The gloves, and any taser, should have some kind of cutoff. But if they didn't and you dropped something like a perfect sheet of graphene between the contacts?
Something will melt in the circuit, if it's not in the conductor it's going to be in the battery
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 10h
Okay, that's the sort of catastrophic failure I was hoping for. Lowest-bidder junk might skimp on the safety features, especially if they don't think the people buying them will care enough to check. Also why my test plan involves pushing the button with a stick so I'm not holding it when the angry pixies come out to play.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1d
Yes. Shoot on sight if you see the word ICE.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 1d
Instructions unclear. I lit up the local ice cream truck with bullet holes.
Dryad@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2d
Just think hit many orioles healthcare that could cover instead. Or if that were put towards solving affordability issues. It’s almost like this administration has wildly different priorities.
ranzispa@mander.xyz · 5 pts · 2d
Isn't this like a stun gun, but worse because you have to get into physical contact?
saigot@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 1d
The goal of stun guns is to lock the victims muscles up so they can't move. These gloves don't appear to do that and according to the manual someone else can be holding the victim while they are being used. The primary purpose of these gloves seems to be to cause pain. From their manual:
ranzispa@mander.xyz · 6 pts · 1d
Isn't that torture?
hoppeduponcoffee@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 1d
Torture has already been their normal protocol for some time.
saigot@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 1d
The manual specifically says not to use them for torture but you know it definitely will be.
It also says not to apply it for more than 12seconds or to the throat, groin or face but considering it takes 2 hands to (de)activate it I don't see the piggies taking their hands off the victim to comply with that.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 1d
There are many practices that police and prisons routinely use in the US that are internationally recognized as torture
Also, the US just froze the assets of two ICC judges that worked on the case to create an arrest warrent for Israel's Prime Minister.
The US is a rogue terrorist State that is profiting from Genocide and routinely commits crimes against humanity by torturing their citizens and non-citizens.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 1d
What happens if you dump a bucket of water on someone wearing these?
sbbq@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1d
I dunno, are there magnets in em?
blastosist@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 1d
Remember, the GOP is the “ small government “ party…
desmosthenes@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
time to wear electricians work gear https://www.envirosafetyproducts.com/collections/electrical-safety-clothing
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 1d
I think most of the people they attack are just normal people going to work and school. So, unfortunately, most people won't be wearing these things