Interesting that his death isn't actually in the Iliad. It sounded so unlikely that I double checked online but you're right!
For completeness, Odysseus himself had already left his home Ithaca 10 years prior to when the Odyssey starts, so roughly at the same time Troy falls.
I'm pretty sure Odysseus sails to Troy at the start of the war? He's one of the guys who brings Achilles. And then is one of Agamemnons backers and advisers.
So he leaves his home 20 years before the Odyssey starts - 10 years of war, 10 years post war
Terms like Foid and Maxxing come directly from incel communities.
It's shitty but also interesting how these places outreach themselves in terms of spreading language, there was a Behind The Bastards episode on it recently I think
In Wales and Ireland the native languages were deliberately subjugated, and are only recently being deliberately re-prioritised. It's a sore point among both populaces
So to compare the amount of speakers pre and post language erasure isn't that helpful I don't think
England and Scotland united under the same king (James I / VI) in 1603, and became fully unified as Great Britain in 1707. So historically the oppression in Ireland, India etc as well as the colonial history was done by the joint crown and administration of England and Scotland
That said, it's not quite so simple. There's a pre-unification history of invasion and war, there's power struggles between kingdoms early in the 17th century, and up to and in modern times arguments around being controlled, exploited and neglected by a majority English government.
Well, they did learn from their mistakes. Most of the time these stories are like 'it affects me now so I'm against it now', but these people took that selfish starting point and unpacked all the fox propaganda and how it all happened
It is a cult; but some people leave cults
I get that we all have to be really sceptical of 'reformed' Magas. Most of them will just be rats fleeing the sinking ship, with no actual reflection or admitted culpability
But at the same time, I've marched with a block of skinhead ex-nazis who were violently opposed to racism now. People do change sometimes - people are able to unpick the propaganda they once bought into and grow
So scepticism, absolutely. But a life-long condemnation of anyone who ever bought into Fox News, without exception, is not the way to go
We've never been as two-party solidified as the US and our system isn't thaaat similar really imo
They elect the president by state, with senate and house seats separately
We elect our priminister by voting in mps in constituencies and then the leader whichever party if any has enough mps to vote down the other members is the prime minister
It's more like, for the US, if the leader of whichever party wins the most members of Congress appoints the president but there's way more congressmen and smaller constituencies and the senate isn't a thing
We've had hung parliaments and coalition governments - both recently and in the 40s, 10s, etc - and that just doesn't exist in the US
Don't get me wrong, our version of FPTP is bollocks and leans toward a two party system, it sucks
But I don't think it's really comparable to the US
'Orwells List' is rightfully controversial. Im not gonna try and fully defend him siding with the British Goverment against anyone
But I do think to judge him fairly you gotta understand a couple things
it was written in 1949
it called out people who he thought were too closely tied to Stalin's Russia
the British Establishment at the time were nominally friendly with the Stalin government
Orwell was unhappy with Soviet Communists due to their liberal collaboration and repression of anarchist Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War
Orwell was always explicitly anti-stalinist
So I don't think he's immune from historical judgement, but I do think that modern conclusions of Orwell as a kind of 'counter-revolutionary' miss a lot of valuable context
He definitely wasn't just informing on people whom he thought were 'too socialist', even if from a 2026 perspective he had more in common with the communists he was listing
And it's worth noting that this was years before American McCarthyism and the associated witchhunt
Without getting into an endless debate about various terms and subterms, you can surely appreciate that describing self-defined 'anarchist' achievements as 'communist', while they faced counter-revolutionary action from ML-Communists, in a thread about the differences between Anarchism and Communism, is at best muddying the waters
Anarchism was once called 'Libertarian Socialism' but I ain't gonna go into a thread about American Libertarianism and call the CNT an example of Libertarianism in action
You appear to be conflating communism with Marxist-Leninism/Stalinism. The quote from Federica Montseny is using communist as shorthand for the Stalinists who undermined the revolution at the time
I'm merely using the terms as commonly used by contemporary sources. I understand that not all Communism is Marxist-Leninist; I also find it unhelpful to try and categorise every leftist movement based on Socialism as a form of Communism based off a hypothetical final ideal of worker-controled Statelessness
Isn't this old news? Have had to be 16 to buy energy drinks here for years. What am I missing
It's a subset of people that overlaps with gamers in a big way. See: gamergate
It's hard to imagine that any of these have enough name recognition or nostalgia to automatically do well, like Mario or Sonic
You mean Watergate-gate?
Interesting that his death isn't actually in the Iliad. It sounded so unlikely that I double checked online but you're right!
I'm pretty sure Odysseus sails to Troy at the start of the war? He's one of the guys who brings Achilles. And then is one of Agamemnons backers and advisers.
So he leaves his home 20 years before the Odyssey starts - 10 years of war, 10 years post war
Achilles dies in the Iliad, which precedes the Odyssey, right?
Edit after skimming wikipedia: The ghost/spirit of Achilles is briefly in Book 11 of The Odyssey
I wonder if blind people read ado as just ado? What?
Terms like Foid and Maxxing come directly from incel communities.
It's shitty but also interesting how these places outreach themselves in terms of spreading language, there was a Behind The Bastards episode on it recently I think
For New Zealand, I like Hundertwasser's Koru Flag
In Wales and Ireland the native languages were deliberately subjugated, and are only recently being deliberately re-prioritised. It's a sore point among both populaces
So to compare the amount of speakers pre and post language erasure isn't that helpful I don't think
Did HTTYD ever stop? I think they just did a live action version
England and Scotland united under the same king (James I / VI) in 1603, and became fully unified as Great Britain in 1707. So historically the oppression in Ireland, India etc as well as the colonial history was done by the joint crown and administration of England and Scotland
That said, it's not quite so simple. There's a pre-unification history of invasion and war, there's power struggles between kingdoms early in the 17th century, and up to and in modern times arguments around being controlled, exploited and neglected by a majority English government.
People say this a lot but it's just not true
Well, they did learn from their mistakes. Most of the time these stories are like 'it affects me now so I'm against it now', but these people took that selfish starting point and unpacked all the fox propaganda and how it all happened
It is a cult; but some people leave cults
I get that we all have to be really sceptical of 'reformed' Magas. Most of them will just be rats fleeing the sinking ship, with no actual reflection or admitted culpability
But at the same time, I've marched with a block of skinhead ex-nazis who were violently opposed to racism now. People do change sometimes - people are able to unpick the propaganda they once bought into and grow
So scepticism, absolutely. But a life-long condemnation of anyone who ever bought into Fox News, without exception, is not the way to go
His great grandson Kermit Roosevelt III is alive today, and writes law novels
They're all like that imo. The mysteries aren't very good from a modern perspective.
They're worth reading - if you're into it - for the setting, the 19th Century prose and the historical creation of the Sherlock archetype
But nah. I read them all when I was a teenager and liked them well enough, then reread last year and was pretty unimpressed with them
There's some better ones - I'm fond of the hound of the baskervilles, and some of the short story ones are good like the red headed league
But some real dumb stuff too. Like when footprints suggest a child but Holmes knows it's actually an African Pygmy fella.
I got my last 10 bucks on you! No, don't look at me! Run! No, don't come over here...
We've never been as two-party solidified as the US and our system isn't thaaat similar really imo
They elect the president by state, with senate and house seats separately
We elect our priminister by voting in mps in constituencies and then the leader whichever party if any has enough mps to vote down the other members is the prime minister
It's more like, for the US, if the leader of whichever party wins the most members of Congress appoints the president but there's way more congressmen and smaller constituencies and the senate isn't a thing
We've had hung parliaments and coalition governments - both recently and in the 40s, 10s, etc - and that just doesn't exist in the US
Don't get me wrong, our version of FPTP is bollocks and leans toward a two party system, it sucks
But I don't think it's really comparable to the US
'Orwells List' is rightfully controversial. Im not gonna try and fully defend him siding with the British Goverment against anyone
But I do think to judge him fairly you gotta understand a couple things
it was written in 1949
it called out people who he thought were too closely tied to Stalin's Russia
the British Establishment at the time were nominally friendly with the Stalin government
Orwell was unhappy with Soviet Communists due to their liberal collaboration and repression of anarchist Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War
Orwell was always explicitly anti-stalinist
So I don't think he's immune from historical judgement, but I do think that modern conclusions of Orwell as a kind of 'counter-revolutionary' miss a lot of valuable context
He definitely wasn't just informing on people whom he thought were 'too socialist', even if from a 2026 perspective he had more in common with the communists he was listing
And it's worth noting that this was years before American McCarthyism and the associated witchhunt
Without getting into an endless debate about various terms and subterms, you can surely appreciate that describing self-defined 'anarchist' achievements as 'communist', while they faced counter-revolutionary action from ML-Communists, in a thread about the differences between Anarchism and Communism, is at best muddying the waters
Anarchism was once called 'Libertarian Socialism' but I ain't gonna go into a thread about American Libertarianism and call the CNT an example of Libertarianism in action
I'm merely using the terms as commonly used by contemporary sources. I understand that not all Communism is Marxist-Leninist; I also find it unhelpful to try and categorise every leftist movement based on Socialism as a form of Communism based off a hypothetical final ideal of worker-controled Statelessness