One of the funniest videos of politicians that I've seen recently was a casual meetup of Poland's PM Donald Tusk and the then incoming Hungarian PM Magyar. He had just defeated Viktor Orban, Putin's fifth column in the EU and authoritarian asshole of the year. Magyar introduces one of his ministers to Tusk. I don't remember which ministry but her name is also Orban. Tusk is ever so briefly taken aback by the mention of that name, which Magyar realizes and quickly adds: "No relation." They giggle at the mixup and Tusk just fires off nonchalantly something like: "Well, my name is Donald." They laugh and move on.
I have never once seen Katherine shortened to Karen. I've only ever seen it shortened to Katie or Kat. Any Karens I've seen, it's always been a standalone name.
God I fucking hate how people use this to vilify women. It's currently being used to imply that any woman who stands up for herself is a bitch. Just more misogyny
Hillary. No one names their daughter Hillary and haven't for a while now.
Grover, Kermit. These were also common names. There was president Grover Cleveland. Teddy Roosevelt named one of his sons Kermit. Sesame Street had such a strong cultural impact that these names also fell out of use.
I wouldn't say Hilary's poisoned. Matter of fact, I can't remember the last time I saw a Clinton headline much less scandal. Also, my definitive Hilary will always be Hilary Banks lol
Taboos can be positive, negative, or just reserved. For example in Judaism writing "God" is taboo, and Jews will frequently write "G-d". Same with YHWH. They will not say the tetragrammaton. Instead many will substitute the word Adonai.
Of course there are diverse groups of people. So for Hillary, depending on someone's political persuasion could be a positive name, a negative name, or just so synonymous with her it's reserved.
It is. Over a decade ago they cut a deal with HBO where they would get priority on new episodes over PBS. That was a bit controversial at the time. Warnerbros cancelled the deal a couple years ago. Then Netflix picked up the show this time without the exclusive delay.
I am German and have an uncle whose name is Adolf. His dad/my grandpa also had the name Adolf, but he got the name before WWII.
My parents told me that my uncle has this name because my grandpa misunderstood the nurse when my uncle was born. He supposedly understood "What's your name?", while she asked "How should he be named?". He then said "Adolf" obviously, because that's his name. And it's said that once they figured out the error, it was too late to be undone.
There's a certain scepticism about this story being real. But for sure my grandpa didn't do it to honor Adolf Hitler (aka being a Nazi. I don't know about his doings during WWII tbh, but at least how I perceived him, he didn't have any sympathy for Nazis), maybe he did it because he wanted to name a son after himself while the name was burnt..
I had a black student named Adolf, in the US. He'd be mid 30s by now. I wonder if his mom was African instead of the more common African American who's grsndparents were part of the migration from the aouth to upper midwest.
Contrary to what other peole say, donald is still super common as a name. It's culturally significant to many nationalities and scottish people don't really let the fact that the 47th POTUS is a tosser interfere with what they name their kids. I think various commonwealth countries (e.g in the caribbean) like it as a first name, and loads of american people born since '45 have had it - actors, musicians, artists.
I think people should be allowed to use the name adolf without it conjuring association with 🚨🗿.
Edit: btw, Donald Trump is an interesting name because it etymologically means "World Ruler Trump" and Trump, in card games and such, means "victor," so 47's name is "Victorious World Ruler."
Its literally just a name and was a very popular name before Hitler. I don't see why you would have to be named after him. Are all Josephs, peter, Paul's,Mathews marks named after the bible.
No they are just names.
Hmm. You seem kinda stupid. There is no correlation between the U.S.S.R. participating in WWII, and the negative opinions people hold for Joseph V. Stalin.
But hey, you're young and dumb. You've got time to grow out of it.
LOL as if that isn't projection.
But hey, you're a dumb americunt who doesn't know history and at best has had the colored education from his backward shithole.
The peasants having to resort to insults when confronted with things they don't like.
Glad you're going down the shitter fast, am enjoying it tremendously.
Great entertainment.
Blocking you now since I you have nothing of value to offer.
Bye loser
Adolph was a relatively uncommon name in English, and thus became taboo easily. In Sweden, Adolf has historically been a common name, largely eclipsing all that unpleasantness happening to the south that Sweden didn’t participate in anyway, do why should families change their surname?
Having said that, naming a child Adolf in Sweden is still uncommon, though presumably more out of concern that he may have a hard time if he travels.
I disagree, because Donald is already owned by many other famous figures, many predating trump. It is a name with notoriety, but it is more in grounds with say Napoleon Bonaparte, and other such significant political entities. The dilution period for his name will be even sooner than Napoleon though because of the popularity of his name, so we probably won't see it entirely disappear from naming conventions the way Adolf has. It might raise eyebrows within certain social circles for a while, but honestly not much more, particularly as you leave the American sphere of influence.
Small correction: Jong is Kim Jong Un’s given name, not Un. his father was Kim Jong Il whose given name was also Jong and his father was Kim Il Sung whose given name is Il.
Real dude... I was writing a story a while back, and usually when naming characters I just pull one from the noggin that "feels right", and I fell on "Donnie" for a young delinquent that was meant to bite off more than he can chew picking a fight with real criminals. When I revisited it a bit later in time, I internally cringed and had to pick a different name altogether lol
Shame because I felt like the name suited him so well that I wound up not continuing the story much after that.
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FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website · 91 pts · 89d
One of the funniest videos of politicians that I've seen recently was a casual meetup of Poland's PM Donald Tusk and the then incoming Hungarian PM Magyar. He had just defeated Viktor Orban, Putin's fifth column in the EU and authoritarian asshole of the year. Magyar introduces one of his ministers to Tusk. I don't remember which ministry but her name is also Orban. Tusk is ever so briefly taken aback by the mention of that name, which Magyar realizes and quickly adds: "No relation." They giggle at the mixup and Tusk just fires off nonchalantly something like: "Well, my name is Donald." They laugh and move on.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 20 pts · 89d
#WholesomePolitics
bluesheep@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 88d
found it, it's very wholesome!
radiofreebc@lemmy.world · 87 pts · 90d
chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 90d
All hail the age of Doug!
SatyrSack@quokk.au · 32 pts · 90d
Escape13@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 89d
Dog bless his soul
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 5 pts · 90d
Yeah, I fuckin hate Bezos. /anti-joke
Fondots@lemmy.world · 60 pts · 90d
I think the name Donald has been out of style since before Trump was born.
Imagine spending your whole life being compared to Donald Duck.
Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 89d
Well, there's Donald Knuth
Janx@piefed.social · 5 pts · 89d
Who?
Rusty@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 89d
The author of the most boring software development book in history.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 89d
The most recent famous Donald I can think of is Glover, who was born in '83.
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 89d
Yeah I was just thinking that, all the others I could think of were at least 60.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 88d
Being compared to a cult figure is why exactly bad?
Donald Duck is awesome. Not so boring like the Mouse. Litigious little shit.
becausechemistry@piefed.social · 43 pts · 90d
My grandpa’s name is Donald. I was gonna name my kid after him.
Sorry, grandpa.
Janx@piefed.social · 31 pts · 89d
The solution is obvious: name your kid Grandpa.
osanna@lemmy.vg · 1 pts · 88d
Name your kitten/puppy grandpa. Then you can tell everyone that you had to have grandpa put to sleep
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 89d
Middle name, maybe?
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 90d
Karen is similarly poisonous
RedNy@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 90d
https://www.thetorontoharold.com/news/vfnfd58pa9xgfdnjocpuuq63d2rfii
Billygoat@piefed.social · 3 pts · 89d
I love the line “The last Karen…”
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 89d
That one at least is a shortened form of Katherine, which people won't associate with Karen.
can@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 89d
...it is?
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 88d
Guitar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 88d
I have never once seen Katherine shortened to Karen. I've only ever seen it shortened to Katie or Kat. Any Karens I've seen, it's always been a standalone name.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 88d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_(name)
mangobanana@discuss.online · 0 pts · 88d
God I fucking hate how people use this to vilify women. It's currently being used to imply that any woman who stands up for herself is a bitch. Just more misogyny
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 35 pts · 89d
Of course he's a cop
TipRing@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 89d
Nominative determinism
ICastFist@programming.dev · 3 pts · 88d
Of course he's a cop in the state that's pretty much where "coronelismo" still reigns
DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 89d
Hillary. No one names their daughter Hillary and haven't for a while now.
Grover, Kermit. These were also common names. There was president Grover Cleveland. Teddy Roosevelt named one of his sons Kermit. Sesame Street had such a strong cultural impact that these names also fell out of use.
taygaloocat@leminal.space · 8 pts · 89d
I dated a girl named Hilary once. She was okay.
Trail@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 89d
Must have been hilarious.
wpb@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 88d
If she didn't commit war crimes in Libya, she's alright by me.
Zoomboingding@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 89d
Elmo too certainly
Agent641@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 89d
Kermit Roosevelt. I'm sure with a name like that, he definitely didn't do anything of consequence that ripples through geopolitics to this day.
Kobibi@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 88d
His great grandson Kermit Roosevelt III is alive today, and writes law novels
donnywholovedbowling@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 88d
I'm sure, like most Kennedies, he Kermitted his fair share of crimes
FosterMolasses@leminal.space · 3 pts · 88d
I wouldn't say Hilary's poisoned. Matter of fact, I can't remember the last time I saw a Clinton headline much less scandal. Also, my definitive Hilary will always be Hilary Banks lol
DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 88d
Taboos can be positive, negative, or just reserved. For example in Judaism writing "God" is taboo, and Jews will frequently write "G-d". Same with YHWH. They will not say the tetragrammaton. Instead many will substitute the word Adonai.
Of course there are diverse groups of people. So for Hillary, depending on someone's political persuasion could be a positive name, a negative name, or just so synonymous with her it's reserved.
TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 82d
Knew a grover. He's over 100.
Checks out
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 83d
Of topic but is Sesame street still a thing? With the CPB getting eliminated it is hard to know anymore.
DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 82d
It is. Over a decade ago they cut a deal with HBO where they would get priority on new episodes over PBS. That was a bit controversial at the time. Warnerbros cancelled the deal a couple years ago. Then Netflix picked up the show this time without the exclusive delay.
https://www.npr.org/2025/05/19/nx-s1-5403663/sesame-street-netflix-pbs
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 89d
Nobody names kids "Adolf" here, even today. That name is thoroughly burned.
EtzBetz@feddit.org · 12 pts · 89d
I am German and have an uncle whose name is Adolf. His dad/my grandpa also had the name Adolf, but he got the name before WWII.
My parents told me that my uncle has this name because my grandpa misunderstood the nurse when my uncle was born. He supposedly understood "What's your name?", while she asked "How should he be named?". He then said "Adolf" obviously, because that's his name. And it's said that once they figured out the error, it was too late to be undone.
There's a certain scepticism about this story being real. But for sure my grandpa didn't do it to honor Adolf Hitler (aka being a Nazi. I don't know about his doings during WWII tbh, but at least how I perceived him, he didn't have any sympathy for Nazis), maybe he did it because he wanted to name a son after himself while the name was burnt..
Just a tidbit from my life :D
deathmetaldawgy@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 89d
your uncle prob thought “if I dealt with it my whole life someone else will now, too”
EtzBetz@feddit.org · 4 pts · 88d
Grandpa*
My uncle was the "victim" :D
sudoer777@lemmy.ml · 19 pts · 89d
Tikiporch@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 89d
President of Africa.
irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 88d
The country of africa?
MyceliumNetwork@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 88d
I had a black student named Adolf, in the US. He'd be mid 30s by now. I wonder if his mom was African instead of the more common African American who's grsndparents were part of the migration from the aouth to upper midwest.
medem@lemmy.wtf · 17 pts · 89d
Adolf Israel Jihad
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 89d
I wonder if it could be refined to be less…literal? “Adolfo Semit Al-Jihad” or something.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 89d
bhamlin@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 89d
I think I went to school with that guy...
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 90d
Contrary to what other peole say, donald is still super common as a name. It's culturally significant to many nationalities and scottish people don't really let the fact that the 47th POTUS is a tosser interfere with what they name their kids. I think various commonwealth countries (e.g in the caribbean) like it as a first name, and loads of american people born since '45 have had it - actors, musicians, artists.
I think people should be allowed to use the name adolf without it conjuring association with 🚨🗿.
Edit: btw, Donald Trump is an interesting name because it etymologically means "World Ruler Trump" and Trump, in card games and such, means "victor," so 47's name is "Victorious World Ruler."
No wonder he has issues.
cabillaud@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 90d
First can of worms of the day, thanks.
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 89d
Wdym?
Janx@piefed.social · 2 pts · 89d
They're going to treat themself with a can of worms for breakfast. Duh...
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz · 17 pts · 89d
Nobody shied away from Joseph after Stalin.
zurchpet@lemmy.ml · 28 pts · 89d
There is a very famous Joseph in a old fairy tale book which most people associate with that name.
But Donald or Adolph?
I mean at least Donald has a Duck, Knuth and Glover.
But Adolf, yeah you named your kid after him...
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 89d
If you allow Don as a shortened version of Donald there are a bunch. Don Juan, Don Quixote, etc.
mangaskahn@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 89d
Don here is a title, not a given name, but your point stands.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 89d
Don in Spanish literature is not short for Donald...
Auli@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 89d
Its literally just a name and was a very popular name before Hitler. I don't see why you would have to be named after him. Are all Josephs, peter, Paul's,Mathews marks named after the bible. No they are just names.
zurchpet@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 88d
Sure. Go ahead. Name your kid Adolf.
No one is going to think you're a Nazi...
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 88d
why would they?
GimmeUrBelt@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 88d
Ah the innocence of youth.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 88d
Indeed
GimmeUrBelt@lemmy.today · -2 pts · 88d
Hmm. You seem kinda stupid. There is no correlation between the U.S.S.R. participating in WWII, and the negative opinions people hold for Joseph V. Stalin.
But hey, you're young and dumb. You've got time to grow out of it.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 88d
LOL as if that isn't projection.
But hey, you're a dumb americunt who doesn't know history and at best has had the colored education from his backward shithole.
The peasants having to resort to insults when confronted with things they don't like.
Glad you're going down the shitter fast, am enjoying it tremendously.
Great entertainment. Blocking you now since I you have nothing of value to offer.
Bye loser
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 16 pts · 89d
Not yet, there are people who have, and will, name their kids Donald. They might actually give him the "t" middle initial too.
MyceliumNetwork@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 88d
It is also just...an old person's name right now.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 83d
It is up there with Donna
badgermurphy@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 89d
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 88d
In Germany I usually see either both or just the last name.
AceTKen@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 89d
Just make their middle name Duck and you are golden.
ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 89d
Is Isis still off-limits?
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 89d
bhamlin@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 89d
Probably, this standard has been forced to rename itself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_and_Scanner_Interface_Specification
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 88d
They simply changed their head headchopper's name to Al Jolani and suddenly presidents can shake hands with him and do business.
So who TF knows?
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 89d
eyesis
_wizard@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 90d
One of my good friend's is named Adolf.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 90d
In Sweden there are lots of Adolfsson (son of adolf). I think it's more Hitler that's the forbidden name.
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 10 pts · 89d
Adolph was a relatively uncommon name in English, and thus became taboo easily. In Sweden, Adolf has historically been a common name, largely eclipsing all that unpleasantness happening to the south that Sweden didn’t participate in anyway, do why should families change their surname?
Having said that, naming a child Adolf in Sweden is still uncommon, though presumably more out of concern that he may have a hard time if he travels.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 89d
Yeah we also had a bunch of kings named (gustav) adolf so...
lucullus@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 89d
In germany though Adolf is also taboo. There is even a german drama movie about this naming choice (I think its called "Der Name", so "The Name")
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 89d
Wasn't the guy who killed Hitler named Adolf?
starlinguk@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 90d
Unless you're in Asia or somewhere in Africa, I'm guessing your friend's parents have dodgy political views.
Auli@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 89d
Sure think that way.
_wizard@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 89d
Story went that he was named after his grandmother's boyfriend.
Atomic@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 88d
Naming your kid Judas or lucifer has been pretty taboo for the past 2000 years.
Sludge@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 88d
I wanted to name my son Lucian and my wife was vehemently opposed to it because it sounded too much like Lucifer to her...
P1nkman@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 89d
A mechanic in Denmark has Adolf has his middle name. He's about 50. I only went there once...
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 89d
Bonesince1997@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 89d
However, DioramaOfShit is a great name!
yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 88d
Is Adolf a safe name yet? How long needs to pass?
Chais@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 88d
Why would you want to?
yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 88d
I wouldn't, im not German it would be silly, but for other Germans. Edit : Austrians and Belgians abd etceteras.
Also the moustache AND hair have been absolutely banned for many a young gentleman since then
SchwertImStein@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 88d
tangent: do you think names only fit a particular nationality?
yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 88d
Sort of? Like calling a native Scandinavian Jerwayne or Tâo isnt going to go down great.
Of course someone is free to do that, you can call them X Æ A-Xii if you want. But still. Not really ideal.
denaggels@feddit.org · 2 pts · 88d
The stache for sure, but the hair?
silentaba@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 90d
I disagree, because Donald is already owned by many other famous figures, many predating trump. It is a name with notoriety, but it is more in grounds with say Napoleon Bonaparte, and other such significant political entities. The dilution period for his name will be even sooner than Napoleon though because of the popularity of his name, so we probably won't see it entirely disappear from naming conventions the way Adolf has. It might raise eyebrows within certain social circles for a while, but honestly not much more, particularly as you leave the American sphere of influence.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 4 pts · 90d
Donald, Vladimir, Zedong, Jinping, Il, or Un
Also sort of shifty is Muammar and Hugo.
Joseph seems a little more benign by comparison, no?
teft@piefed.social · 4 pts · 89d
Small correction: Jong is Kim Jong Un’s given name, not Un. his father was Kim Jong Il whose given name was also Jong and his father was Kim Il Sung whose given name is Il.
napkin2020@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 89d
You guys are both wrong.
Their given names are Ilsung, JongIl, and Jongun(I prefer Jeongeun). We do not have concept of middle name.
Ilsung and Jungil are not so common. Never seen anyone personally.
Jungeun: pretty common. It's a girl's name actually.
Source: am Korean.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 89d
NegentropicBoy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 90d
Can Cyril make a return then?
FosterMolasses@leminal.space · 2 pts · 88d
Real dude... I was writing a story a while back, and usually when naming characters I just pull one from the noggin that "feels right", and I fell on "Donnie" for a young delinquent that was meant to bite off more than he can chew picking a fight with real criminals. When I revisited it a bit later in time, I internally cringed and had to pick a different name altogether lol
Shame because I felt like the name suited him so well that I wound up not continuing the story much after that.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 83d
I see the throught process but I doubt most people care
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 88d
giving non-gender-neutral names should be taboo
DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 85d
this is not supposed to be like a rude comment but what actually makes a name non gender neutural besides socital expectations.
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 84d
societal expectations
not much else really
but the societal expectations do exist and do have an effect
your question sounds like gatekeeping/invalidating trans ppl