Paragone

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on Uncle Bob: It's Over · c/hackernews · 1 pts · 124d

Yes, he really does sound like the Joker.. 1 of 'em, anyways..

I think the argument should be about trustworthy, not quantity, of code.

iow, it doesn't get committed until some human has read & understood it, & has signed-off on it.

Nobody signs-off on it?

Then don't trust it.

LLM's can outcode us humans..

but it can also code mistakes at something like 1-million times our speed, too!

Responsibility & accountability still are required, for any trustworthy infrastructure or civilization.

& since LLM's are being programmed on trash, then they aren't going to be entirely-trustworthy.

Were I to want an LLM to do some engineering, then I'd program it ONLY on good-code/good-data, until its "bones" were set, and then show it what to not do, to reinforce those instincts..

not just throw it at most used code, & deem that to be good-enough.

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I just realized:

there were at-least-2 different designs for that kind of long-term-deterrent.

The spikey-stuff version, & the ominous-maze ( or however it should be called ) version, & maybe another..

That spikey-stuff version could be destroyed-removed by people who found the signal to be the problem, much more easily than the ominous-maze one could.

That may affect future lives..

( of course, my idea that simply putting the stuff DEEP into the ocean-floor right before a subduction-zone, to have plate-tectonics remove it from our surface, would bypass all that, but pick the best method, not the prettiest idea, right? )

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He speaks about spreadsheets being malleable-documents..

IF you do any calculating & basic-programming's something you're OK with, then PLEASE invest in understanding https://plutojl.org/

& if you decide to dig-in, then please try a good book ( the Design Patterns one is good ) & hit Exercism, & you're good to go.

MASSIVELY better than spreadsheets, in my view.

Mind-you, I think Julia's better than spreadsheets AND Python, because it's cleaner, stupendously faster in execution, etc..

& that suits my aesthetics just fine.

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In effective altruism, you don't resign-in-"protest", getting out-of-the-way of the Bad Guys .. you instead remain in-place, holding-the-line as well as you can.

I believe it was philosopher Peter Singer who pointed this out.

Getting out from evil's way, in "protest", is enabling evil's more-totalitarian dominion.

Which is the wrong way of "helping" our world.

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on *Permanently Deleted* · c/asklemmy · 1 pts · 171d

IF I think I'm going to learn something from seeing their frame-of-reference ( like: HOW it's wrong ), XOR their reasoning ( ditto ), certainly.

How'm I supposed to learn anything if I only remain within comforting meanings??

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This is a bit beyond architecture, but being competent to build a mathematically bug-free API is probably something that few programmers would even bother trying to compete-against..

https://leanpub.com/algebra-driven-design


I think there is a fundamental mis-framing, throughout the entire software/development understanding..

I think that the architecture needs to be simultaneously agilely-devloped, but into an executable-model, a kind of toy-implimentation, so it is easy to change the architecture, low-cost, BEFORE one converts it into load-bearing, & therefore unchangeable architecture ( architecture's the hardest thing to change, as it's most-fundamental )

So, I think that the proper way is to do it in 2 stages:

  1. agilely develop the architecture, until ALL required-kinds-of-function are working, in the toy-model, & one has re-architected it so that the structure is right, & then
  2. set about converting it from the high-level-language to whatever production-language it is that is efficiency-optimal, for production-scale.

This is part of an idea from years ago: I read in a Wiley GAAP book that I happened to be glancing into, that it's a violation of GAAP to prototype any project in any language other than the final-implimentation-language, & expense that prototype.

Which is totally insane!

Prototype in the highest-level-language you can, to get the domain+architecture right, then reimpliment what you have to in the most production-efficient/effective language for that project.

GAAP ( of that year ) is categorically wrong: it penalizes optimal-prototyping.

It was years-later before I discovered that an English mathematician ( roundish ginger, worked in Glasgow, no idea what his name was, sorry ) had studied the difference between complex projects which worked vs ones which died, & it was the visual-spacial-representation-of-the-model, & the complete-coverage executable-model which made the successes win.

So, I just put those ideas together.

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This is why relying on "political will" to enforce accountability is incompetent.

You'll notice that Noem is now facing possible perjury-prosecution, but the in-favor/in-power ones aren't..

Politically-based "accountability" is accountability-to-power's-narcissism, only, in the end.

It has to be done automatically, at the system-level.

It had to be automatic that he couldn't even be eligible for election, instead of "saying sorry after gets shit done, whereas asking permission gets one prevented" kind of thing.

DarkTriad/DarkTetrad people have to be automatically & systematically prevented from authority-roles.

Society-wide.

No "political" alternative prevents the problem anywhere-near so efficiently.

So, to your question "is there anything else anyone can do to get Trump out", no: it's too late.

Any attempt at impeaching him, now, would trigger his invoking of The Insurrection Act, & activating total-dictatorship.

Which he is going to do regardless, once his frustration reaches high-enough intensity.

"a penny's worth of prevention is worth a pound/euro of cure" is still true.

But at-last the lessons of what the Christians call "armageddon", these next 6-decades, will be significant..

Once the tippingpoint's crossed, I expect the Regional Consolidation Time to be Trump ditching/ignoring all the rest of the world except for his wars on conquering the Americas. ALL of them. Civil War Part2: confederate reverse-takeover & vengeance .. will only be a sub-plot, not the whole thing.

About 1/2-way through the 7-y cycle, I expect him to be replaced with Musk.

The problem isn't them: the problem is humankind's collective-unconscious-mind's ego-games, its "apocalypse" "proving its ego's IMPORTANCE", that "nothing is more god than ego's TANTRUM/POGROM is!!".

So, fundamentally, it's The Great Filter: our underlying toddler-nature breaking the world to "beat god and make god obey!!".

Trump, Putin, Millei, Farage, Orban, etc, highjacking the world for their exclusive-wealth/oligarchy .. that's only "makeup".

The communist-party's imperialism, in various national variants, is every bit as "fascist" in its DarkTetrad as individual-centered-fascism is.

The fundamental difference between individualism vs collectivism doesn't make imperialism somehow become not imperialism.

Party-imperialism's murdered millions.

What's the difference between how bad well-accomplished-sociopathy of the left is, vs the right?

the well-accomplished-sociopathy's the same, only the political-left vs political-right is different.

So why ignore the underlying sociopathy??

As ideologues consistently do.

It's foolish, in my opinion, to think that Putin & Trump are going to remain contradicting: their underlying goal is the same: competitive-nihilism & competitive-narcissism, at EVERYBODY-ELSE's expense.

But they're only 2 of many representatives of that "church".

See the overall-picture, not the only-local view: it's global, the forces are implacable, & humankind's positioned to .. not do well, this century.

Unless someone massively changes humankind's viability..

which would take dimensions of competence, & dimensions of self-conquering, that normals never allow anyone to earn ( far too "outlier" )

So, humankind is "walking the plank", now.

Other paths were possible..

Does anybody understand that preventing genociding in Palestine would have required about 6+decades of the UN being the only gov't there, & NO ideology imprinting anybody, not through education, not through prejudice, not through abuse, not through apartheid, not on either side!

& keep holding that, generation after generation, until the prejudices were extingushed-sufficiently.

No other path could have worked.

Making-believing, while accommodating ideological-prejudice's perpetual self-entrenchment sure as hell didn't work!

It's the same in the US.

It takes decades to create a population who can do correct-reasoning, & who is loyal-to/valuing-of it.

It takes only months to eradicate that, replacing it with ideological-prejudice.

The brain-system driving ideological-prejudice is more-primitive, more emotional.

The brain-system driving correct-reasoning & objectivity is the recentest part of the brain, the outer cortex ( top of brain, btw ).

the problem isn't local: it's racial. Whole-species.

Humankind's fighting-off moral-anxiety & correct-reasoning & objectivity by digging-into programmed-reacting, animal-"reasoning", ideology, prejudice, & ideological-"morality".

& about 9/10 of humankind's on the side of ideology, from the looks of things.

Trump's a symptom, not a cause.

The cause is whole-species-wide: our unconscious-ignorance's fighting-for-its-totalitarian-dominion.

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I wonder if anybody in the anarchy religion can see that AI's are essentially anarchists with different-frame-of-reference/values, & that their lawlessness is exactly a kind of anarchy, an anarchy that is in the process of gutting our world's viability.

( all the anarchists who adamantly insist "no-one is anybody's boss!" have never seen a parent trying to wrangle an ornery toddler, .. XOR they're gaslighting, either unconsciously or consciously, either is possible.

It is yoga:self-conquering, not either no-archy/no-structure or no-people-hierarchy, that is required.

You simply can't do a project as big/complex as a shuttlecraft, or airliner, or ship, without hierarchical-organization, & if all such were eradicated, for ideological reasons, then .. this-planet's population would have to be MASSIVELY smaller, to make that work. )

Anyways, evidence contradicts ideologies, as usual..

AI's NEED guardrails, & we won't enforce that, because it'd inconvenience concentration-of-wealth-archy, which is served by the current anarchy.

Humbug.

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There are a few excellent books on dialogue, for writers.

YOU try writing good dialogue!

Keeping-straight everything that needs to be kept-straight when writing dialogue, isn't easy, & people who don't even understand Shawn Coyne's point about how every single scene in the entire story MUST pull its weight, & MUST alter emotional-value somehow ( see "The Story Grid" for that ), is something that most story-writers don't understand properly.

Some are brilliant at it ( & the writers for that TV-show, Mad Men, iirc, were mostly women, simply because women are better than men at writing such drama ), & most are not.

Why should imitations-of-us be better at it than we are?

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It isn't only local to Australians:

The Reverse Cramer Index was a fund which did the exact-opposite of what a TV "guru" was telling people to do.

Notice that its returns, before it shut down, were in the green:

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SJIM/performance/?guccounter=1

You can't harvest the money of the mislead-sheep unless you're misleading them & fleecing them efficiently, right?

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As the root-guru of the Christians, benJoseph, pointed-out: "you can't orient to 2 contradictory-nature gods", though he paraphrased the principle, some..*

IF someone in academia cares more about their-career, their-status, their-profit, etc, in any variant of institutional-narcissism, professional-narcissism, economic-narcissism, etc,

THEN the "learning institution" simply "cannot afford" to put learning 1st.

IF they care more about the next-generation's learning, more about quality-of-research, more about next-generations DOING research, etc, then they'll hire the grad-student & demonstrate how to limit/harness LLM's so that they don't compromise/undermine either education, autonomous human meaning, or science.

Actions speak louder than words, though, among those with honesty/integrity.

So, do whatever you want: & be judged on that, in the end, right?

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( the "*" was simply..

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Don't do it unless you are already having, or guaranteed, another citizenship!

Stateless-people tend to be subject to state-abuse, due to not being "authorized" or "not having their papers in order"!

As-in tossed-in-jail because they aren't "legal", kind of problems.

Get your other-citizenship secure, 1st.

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The gov't forces who mow-down-with-bullets protestors are NOT beautiful, in my eyes.

A surprising fact, in my life, though, is that the holiest human I ever met in-person, was an Iranian man.

I've spent a week in a monastery, on retreat, & I'm saying that.

A couple decades ago, there was a US right-wing commentator, who competed with Rush Limbaugh, who established that it'd be best to simply nuke Iran, preemptively, in order to get rid of the US's problem ( that their disobedience/not-being-colony was ).

Anne Coulter?

something like that.

Sociopathy, no matter how ideologically-convenient, is the wrong path.

So is idolization, in my view..

As that wonderful African man who explains in videos, showing how DR Congo & Rwanda are tangled-up, or other African endless-conflicts, says..

"it's complicated".

& ideologies/prejudices reject actuality's being complicated.

Accuracy's possible.

More difficult, but earnable.

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