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There definitely is a decoupling of the formerly tight integration between Canada and the USA.

The USA is a much bigger market so it makes sense for companies to plan for moving production there. It's not all one-sided though. Some USA companies are planning to move production to Canada:

https://www.thestar.com/business/faced-with-donald-trump-s-tariffs-this-u-s-company-is-moving-north-of-the-border-and-it-s-not-the-only-one/article_74bd6032-b9d7-4965-827c-937d3a2f6590.html

Canada has surprisingly become a more attractive place to do business than the U.S. for some companies that sell globally, with tariff-free access to major overseas markets and lower operating costs.

Canada’s free-trade deals with Europe, Australia and other key markets make it cheaper and more competitive to manufacture in Canada and export around the world

“When you look backwards, the U.S. story is one of opportunity. When you look forward, the U.S. story is one of risk,”

With the upcoming Canada Investor Summit hopefully we can get significant foreign investment in Canadian infrastructure which can unlock other opportunities. The USA is a much bigger market but Canada can offer stability which helps with long term investment decisions:

https://www.canada.ca/en/campaign/canada-investment-summit-2026.html

Some notes about collecting this data:

The 3 date-range tabs on the Canadian Government's tariff site aren't consistent in what columns they contain. Also not consistent in HTML tags used in their tables with some using all while the other also uses .

It would be good to have more details on what the various Provinces have done and when. Ie. Ontario rejected USA companies from bidding on new provincial contracts.

Stats Can uses NACIS for industries to track imports from Country/US state. Tariffs use HS codes for products. Head hurts.

The Ironworkers bridge will be a big bottleneck. Here's a snippet from their FAQ about this:

https://www.translink.ca/plans-and-projects/projects/bus-projects/r2-marine-willingdon-rapidbus

What happens during heavy traffic on the Ironworkers Memorial Bridge?

During heavy traffic, accessing the Ironworkers Memorial Bridge, R2 buses may take an alternate route to bypass congestion near the Cassiar Connector. All R2 stops will continue to be served. This is a routine approach already used by other bus routes in the area, including the 28, 130, and 222.

I made a mistake. USA alcohol had a Canadian import tariff of 25% between March 4, 2025 until August 31, 2025. I guess with the Provincial alcohol bans the feds removed it to avoid retaliation from the USA against our alcohol.

The USA has now put a tariff on Canadian alcohol on Aug 22, 2026 of 50% so as a result Saskatchewan will introduce a provincial 50% tax on USA alcohol starting Sep 8, 2026:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/saskatoon/article/saskatchewan-premier-announces-50-tariff-on-american-liquor/

Blaming Canada is all they can do as they can't blame themselves or their dear leader Trump:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gop-republicans-canada-tariffs-trump-9.7329848

Texas Republican August Pfluger praised Trump for bringing manufacturing jobs back to the U.S. and pinned blame for the trade war on Ottawa.

“It’s a war that is perpetuated by Canada,” Pfluger told CBC News. “The Canadians need to get reasonable. They’ve taken advantage of the United States for a long time.”

This trade war against Canada was started by the USA when they unilaterally violated the existing signed CUSMA deal (agreed to during the Trump 1.0 administration) by imposing tariffs on our steel and aluminum. Canada responded in various ways including most provinces banning the sale of their alcohol. Complying with the existing agreement is not “taking advantage of the USA”. The trade deficit in goods in Canada's favour is mostly due to us selling them crude oil at a discount. Almost 4 million barrels a day. Who's taking advantage of who?

The USA escalated again on August 22 so there will be “dollar for dollar” increases in our tariffs for their products coming up on September 8:

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/programs/international-trade-finance-policy/canadas-response-us-tariffs/complete-list-us-products-subject-to-counter-tariffs.html

As a result of the U.S.'s decision to impose a 50 per cent tariff on $27.6 billion of Canadian goods effective August 22, 2026, the Prime Minister announced that Canada will match the incoming U.S. Section 338 tariffs – dollar for dollar.

These new countermeasures on $27.6 billion in products imported from the U.S. will be effective as of 12:01 a.m., September 8, 2026.

The new targeted counter tariffs are concentrated in sectors such as steel and aluminum, dairy, appliances, agricultural equipment, pulp and paper, plastics, and electronics. In certain sectors, such as steel and aluminum, existing counter-tariffs will increase from 25 per cent to 50 per cent to match U.S. rates.

Other existing counter-tariffs, including against U.S. autos, will also continue to apply.

Canada's counter-tariffs are targeted against red/purple states such as carpet manufactured in the state of Georgia. Canada's economy is smaller than the USA but there will still be negative impacts felt by the USA with higher prices for imported goods and less demand for their exports. Not good for the ruling party leading into their November mid-term elections.

USA alcohol is still available in Saskatchewan and they report a 40% decline in sales by volume:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/sask-american-liquor-sales-down-2026-9.7306544

There will be a larger decline soon as they will be imposing a provincial 50% tax on USA alcohol starting Sept. 8:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/saskatoon/article/saskatchewan-premier-announces-50-tariff-on-american-liquor/

They're desperate to search for anyone else other than themselves to blame for the worsening affordability with their upcoming mid-term elections. Republicans can't say anything negative about their great leader Trump.

Texas Republican August Pfluger praised Trump for bringing manufacturing jobs back to the U.S. and pinned blame for the trade war on Ottawa.

"It's a war that is perpetuated by Canada," Pfluger told CBC News. "The Canadians need to get reasonable. They've taken advantage of the United States for a long time."

We have an existing signed CUSMA deal that America unilaterally broke by imposing tariffs on our steel and aluminum. Canada responded in various ways including most provinces banning the sale of their alcohol. Complying with the existing agreement is not "taking advantage of the USA".

The USA escalated again on Aug 21 so there will be "dollar for dollar" increases in our tariffs for their products coming up on Sep 8.

Unpopular opinion but that would be disproportionate escalation.

Alberta sends crude oil south and then refined gasoline, jet fuel is sent north. We have a mutual dependency on each other. Causing too much pain for them or ourselves will not be good. A fuel crisis could be an excuse for Trump to declare a National Emergency with justification for even more escalation.

The rules of a trade war are to match their import tariffs with our import tariffs. Canada is targeting our counter tariffs at USA products mainly coming from purple/red states:

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/news/2026/08/list-of-products-from-the-united-states-subject-to-counter-tariffs-effective-september-8-2026.html

There's a reason the Trump administration only focuses on the goods trade deficit. Canada imports more in services from the USA than is exported to them. Although combined goods and services Canada still exports more than it imports from the USA:

https://usafacts.org/answers/what-is-the-value-of-us-trade/countries/canada/

In any case having a trade deficit does not mean that Canada is "ripping off the USA".

There's a few items in the CTV article what she said actually make some sense:

Smith predicted if Canada were to enact a 50 per cent tariff on the four million barrels of oil exported south each day, the U.S. would retaliate with tariffs of 50 to 100 per cent on refined oil and gas products exported to Canada, such as aviation fuel.

Canada exports crude to the USA and imports refined products so we need to be careful on export taxes.

This sounds like Alberta for once may be following Sasketchewan's lead on not boycotting USA alcohol but adding a provincial tax on it:

Smith said one committee, made up of her cabinet members, is set to meet Thursday to discuss following Saskatchewan’s lead by imposing a 50 per cent tax on U.S. alcohol brought into that province.

@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca, your link is broken and the quote in your post looks to be from earlier by-elections.

Today the Liberals won all three Aug 31, 2026 by-elections for:

  • Beaches-East York, Ontario
  • Chicoutimi-Le Fjord, Quebec
  • North Vancouver-Capilano, British Columbia

Here's a CBC link for today's by-election results:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/livestory/live-updates-byelection-chicoutimi-le-fjord-vancouver-capilano-beaches-east-york-9.7327074

The lemmit.online instance already exists that hosts a single user, bot@lemmit.online, that mirrors reddit posts for a subset of sub-reddits.

I was looking into why this instance was blocked on some lemmy instances and was trying to get a discussion going about unblocking it for lemmy.ca. It turns out of the top 10 lemmy instances only 4 did not block either the instance or the bot@lemmit.online user:

https://lemmy.ca/post/69414850/24851333

It's moot now since reddit locked down their old.reddit.com access which lemmit.online relied on:

https://lemmit.online/post/8716662

Before this blockage I did create a new user on lemmy.dbzer0.com and subscribed to some bot communities mirrored from reddit via lemmit.online. It turned out to not be a great user experience but did lessen my need to use the reddit app for discovery as I would just visit reddit for posts of interest.

But wait! There's more! Another more recent "truth" posting today:

https://trumpstruth.org/statuses/41405

For many years, the USA has been losing more than 60 Billion Dollars a year with Canada. Why??? Our long ago stolen businesses are now coming back to America in order to avoid paying tariffs. They are lining up, just like the rest of the World!!! President DJT

He seriously thinks a trade deficit with Canada means Canada is ripping off the USA.

Make it make sense.

If this isn't the right/best place to discuss this I can see about getting on Matrix.

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