I understand the sentiment, but doesn't "the industry" essentially produce things that are for "us", even if indirectly?
Factories don't exist for their own sake, they exist to make an end product for people. So if you want to change that, we do need to consume less, like the parent you replied to said.
I want newer software and I’m just not into going to the work needed to get the things I want running and still being easy to maintain
I don't really get the "newer software" argument ... they just leapfrog each other every year or so, if you stick to LTS versions. For example, when Trixie came out it was more up-to-date than Noble Numbat (24.04 LTS), and then Resolute Racoon (26.04 LTS) leapfrogged Trixie again, and next year Forky will leapfrog Resolute Racoon.
Also, with Debian, if the stable release is getting a bit stale, you always have the option to start off with Debian Testing, and get something that's near bleeding edge up-to-date, and then follow testing until the next stable release and then stay on stable.
Ubuntu Server with CasaOS was fast and easy to setup. Maybe 15 minutes to get he basic file server I want
Never used CasaOS, but how would the setup process be any different on Debian? From an admin perspective, they're nearly identical ...
I had a quick glance at the CasaOS getting started page, and not only does Debian have official support but it's recommended over Ubuntu, and the installation instructions appear to be exactly the same.
To me it just sounds like you're a little bit stuck in your ways.
There were still plenty of annoying parts left when I ditched Ubuntu Server as my default server OS for plain Debian. In fact, increasing annoyances was one of the reason I made the switch. This was around 2018 or so, during the 16.04 LTS to 18.04 LTS switch, and I haven't looked back. I'm quite happy with Debian 13 that's currently powering my VMs.
Fair game not wanting to change a running setup of course, but do yourself a favor and look into Debian the next time you're doing a new install of something.
It's not about entitlement, it's about decency. Knowing their usernames or identity contributes nothing here and nobody wants to be harassed when a screenshot of a conversation they casually participated in more than 5 years ago goes viral again for the umpteenth time. So the decent thing to do is to censor the usernames.
Those “personal pet projects” are why Google and FireFox exist as many pieces of their projects often rely on open source components often maintained by a single person.
Those are a different kind of pet projects, like some small random math library developed by a guy in Nebraska that a big software stack depends on (there's a relevant xkcd about it somewhere). The thing is, if support for such a project stops, the Microsofts, Googles and Firefoxes of the world are able to take over support, pay for it to be supported, or work around it in another way. Plus they are usually careful about which dependency they introduce, if something isn't governed properly or does not have wide community support... it's unlikely to be included.
Taking on a whole browser as a pet project is something entirely different. Browsers are huge and complex. You're basically betting that mr-cheffy will be able to keep up with all the changes, like security updates, feature updates and bugfixes, that upstream Firefox produces, and that he will be able to keep his own part of the codebase secure, and that he won't get burned out or bored with the project in one or two years.
For these reasons, I will never put all my eggs into the basket of some 1-man browser project, sorry.
These pet projects also strip telemetry and respect your privacy.
Turning off telemetry is just a few clicks, or about:config flags in Firefox anyway. And "respect your privacy" is just meaningless buzzword bingo. If you go to facebook or google in zenbrowser, your data is harvested just like everyone else's. Privacy is a process not a product (browser).
Excellent point. The way a project is governed should always be a consideration when evaluating software, especially for large and complex projects like a web browser that can't easily be forked.
In the case of chromium, basically all the main developers are Google employees ... so it's no surprise there hasn't been a viable fork.
I really wish we had something like the "linux kernel" of web browsers...
I'd recommend you just switch to Firefox instead, and make that work for you.
Zen browser (like many of those custom browser forks) is just someone's pet project, and is highly dependent on what Firefox is doing anyway. It's cool to use sometimes, but I wouldn't want to depend on it to stick around or be properly maintained in the long term.
I never said they were altruistic. I'm saying: at the end of the line, there is a consumer buying the stuff they polluted for.
I understand the sentiment, but doesn't "the industry" essentially produce things that are for "us", even if indirectly?
Factories don't exist for their own sake, they exist to make an end product for people. So if you want to change that, we do need to consume less, like the parent you replied to said.
I don't really get the "newer software" argument ... they just leapfrog each other every year or so, if you stick to LTS versions. For example, when Trixie came out it was more up-to-date than Noble Numbat (24.04 LTS), and then Resolute Racoon (26.04 LTS) leapfrogged Trixie again, and next year Forky will leapfrog Resolute Racoon.
Also, with Debian, if the stable release is getting a bit stale, you always have the option to start off with Debian Testing, and get something that's near bleeding edge up-to-date, and then follow testing until the next stable release and then stay on stable.
Never used CasaOS, but how would the setup process be any different on Debian? From an admin perspective, they're nearly identical ...
I had a quick glance at the CasaOS getting started page, and not only does Debian have official support but it's recommended over Ubuntu, and the installation instructions appear to be exactly the same.
To me it just sounds like you're a little bit stuck in your ways.
There were still plenty of annoying parts left when I ditched Ubuntu Server as my default server OS for plain Debian. In fact, increasing annoyances was one of the reason I made the switch. This was around 2018 or so, during the 16.04 LTS to 18.04 LTS switch, and I haven't looked back. I'm quite happy with Debian 13 that's currently powering my VMs.
Fair game not wanting to change a running setup of course, but do yourself a favor and look into Debian the next time you're doing a new install of something.
Debian is just Ubuntu without all the annoying parts.
Both.
Debian for anything that has to run unattended for a long time without requiring much care. Arch for the desktop.
That's .... impressive, FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 😆
I always hear people say this but I have the opposite. I can sit, pee and finish, then stand up, turn around and magically pee a few cl more :-/
w... w-what have you done to your dick?
For me it's not just a few drops, I can genuinely pee a few cl extra when I stand up, so I never feel quite empty when I sit down to pee.
What is Discord? /s
That doesn't mean you should complicit in that, dipshit.
It's not about entitlement, it's about decency. Knowing their usernames or identity contributes nothing here and nobody wants to be harassed when a screenshot of a conversation they casually participated in more than 5 years ago goes viral again for the umpteenth time. So the decent thing to do is to censor the usernames.
Reminds me of a particular scene from the Zodiac movie, which is more or less set in that time period, so yeah spooky indeed.
I guess you're not on Antarctica then :p
Those are a different kind of pet projects, like some small random math library developed by a guy in Nebraska that a big software stack depends on (there's a relevant xkcd about it somewhere). The thing is, if support for such a project stops, the Microsofts, Googles and Firefoxes of the world are able to take over support, pay for it to be supported, or work around it in another way. Plus they are usually careful about which dependency they introduce, if something isn't governed properly or does not have wide community support... it's unlikely to be included.
Taking on a whole browser as a pet project is something entirely different. Browsers are huge and complex. You're basically betting that mr-cheffy will be able to keep up with all the changes, like security updates, feature updates and bugfixes, that upstream Firefox produces, and that he will be able to keep his own part of the codebase secure, and that he won't get burned out or bored with the project in one or two years.
For these reasons, I will never put all my eggs into the basket of some 1-man browser project, sorry.
Turning off telemetry is just a few clicks, or about:config flags in Firefox anyway. And "respect your privacy" is just meaningless buzzword bingo. If you go to facebook or google in zenbrowser, your data is harvested just like everyone else's. Privacy is a process not a product (browser).
Internet Explorer had that too at one time.
Excellent point. The way a project is governed should always be a consideration when evaluating software, especially for large and complex projects like a web browser that can't easily be forked.
In the case of chromium, basically all the main developers are Google employees ... so it's no surprise there hasn't been a viable fork.
I really wish we had something like the "linux kernel" of web browsers...
I'd recommend you just switch to Firefox instead, and make that work for you.
Zen browser (like many of those custom browser forks) is just someone's pet project, and is highly dependent on what Firefox is doing anyway. It's cool to use sometimes, but I wouldn't want to depend on it to stick around or be properly maintained in the long term.